Peak Dale Tunnel

[ah147]

And before anyone throws a hissy, that's not confidential, it's on the survey.


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[bograt]

The access to G.P. is laid down by the Landowners (Chatsworth Estate) and N.E., DCA tries to administer it to the free-est possible within their criteria.
All you need to get in there is the basic 'scientific' equipment, eg a camera, and jump through the other hoops to get a key.
I assure you that DCA has tried (and still is trying)  hard to relax this historic agreement set up by Ben Bentham when he opened up the shaft, don't forget certain compromises had to be made in order to allow the opening up of the shaft; much like Titan, it was found from underneath and burrowed up to the surface.
It was originally opened to allow easier access to the far reaches to enable 'further exploration', recreational caving was never factored in.
As pointed out by ah147, there are other entrances which, because of their severity and seasonality, serve to protect the section, these are the entrances excavated by Ben to get there.

 

[Kevlar]

Fair enough, I have never been or looked into it too much so didn't know about the alternative route. I just found the agreement was very clear, so thought it could be appropriate in this case.

 

[NewStuff]

Much as I appreciate the reply to the thread from Jenny, the problem here is that although people will obviously realise the conversation issues for the place, I didn't run into *anything* that indicated an active experiment taking place, despite a fair bit of research to find it. No-one seems to address the fact that you can't have it both ways. If you insist on keeping places "secret", then problems like this *are* going to happen.

1. You mean conservation issues, not "conversation issues", surely?

Obviously.

2. "problems like this" are NOT going to happen unless someone happens to publicise these sites by posting photos of them, (excellent ones admittedly), then telling everyone about them!

So, you want a people to not publicise a "secret" site, yet until this thread, there was no information out there saying not to publicise it? Your argument is circular and self-defeating. As soon as someone not "in the know" finds a site, your happy little utopia is ruined, and is the reason for this thread existing in the first place. It's just not a practical solution, as demonstrated by the existance of this very thread. As suggested, put a sign up explaining what is going on, most people *will* respect it, and those that don't are going to go in anyway, irrespective of measures you try to take. I wasn't aware of SSSI's etc until this thread appeared.

As for demanding (inferring, "suggesting", phrase it how you want), people shouldn't publish pictures they have taken, I would be quite inclined to tell you to go forth and fornicate were I in the photographers shoes. I know quite a number of others will as well. I may not put a name or location with them, but should I take pictures I deem worthy or of interest to others, then publish them I damn well will.

 

[graham]

As for demanding (inferring, "suggesting", phrase it how you want), people shouldn't publish pictures they have taken, I would be quite inclined to tell you to go forth and fornicate were I in the photographers shoes. I know quite a number of others will as well. I may not put a name or location with them, but should I take pictures I deem worthy or of interest to others, then publish them I damn well will.

There are quite a few rather fascinating copyright issues surrounding images taken of other people and other people's property. I am not going to go into them here, as they are rather complex and I am certainly no expert in the field. You may find, however, that publication of images without permission may lead you down all sorts of alleyways that you'd rather not explore without quite deep pockets.

 

[bograt]

This is all rather silly, 4 pages of debate on a caving forum about a disused railway tunnel'

Do you posters want the regional caving bodies to be responsible for all the disused railway tunnels in their areas?

Seems like you're more like urbexers than cavers.

 

[cavermark]

It sounds like some cave scientists see it as more than an average disused railway tunnel, Bograt.
I think there has been some crossover into speleological matters and some interesting debate on the issues raised.

 

[droid]

Do you posters want the regional caving bodies to be responsible for all the disused railway tunnels in their areas?

Most of the fuss here has been promoted by prominent members of....errrrr..... a regional caving body. 

 

[Madness]

I suspect that other than quite liking to see photographs of the formations, the majority of cavers couldn't give a monkey's about a poxy little railway tunnel. I'd sooner visit Jugholes again.

 

[Lampwick]

... Do you posters want the regional caving bodies to be responsible for all the disused railway tunnels in their areas?

Indeed.  Why are the DCA involved in this?

It may well be on SSSI designated land but there are no underground features in the SSSI citation.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Must be spreading their wings...

 

[Pete K]

There is a DCA meeting this Saturday at Monyash. I suggest those with a genuine interest in finding out about this come along and ask. I'm sure we'll talk about this anyway as it is a bit of hot topic. I'm also interested in hearing about this as it's new to me.
Pete Knight
DCA Projects Officer

 

[martinm]

Access to this place is now controlled by the British Geological Society (BGS) in the interests possibly of preventing further interference with their scientific equipment, Read JennyP's post upthread. If you found some important looking equipment in some site, why would you even consider interfering with it? It should be obvious to anyone something important is being carried out? Please stop blowing this up into a major problem. As normal on here, bickering and nit-picking... CBA for a few days now...

 

[braveduck]

BGS is British Geological Survey I think ,not getting at you just correcting.

 

[Lazarus]

BGS is British Geological Survey I think ,not getting at you just correcting.

It is indeed "Survey". Unless we are referring to the British Geriatrics Society, but I'm not sure we're discussing certain digging teams in this thread  :-\

 

[braveduck]

 

[graham]

... the British Geriatrics Society...

 

[Pitlamp]

BGS is British Geological Survey I think ,not getting at you just correcting.

It is indeed "Survey". Unless we are referring to the British Geriatrics Society, but I'm not sure we're discussing certain digging teams in this thread  :-\

I love potholers. They have this tremendous ability to defuse angst through humour.

In't it grand?!

 

[droid]

Knowing one or two of the diggers, it's humour with a fair bit of reality in it....

But on a more serious note, mickey-taking and the deflation of egos has always been part of the scene..... :

 

[NewStuff]

If you found some important looking equipment in some site, why would you even consider interfering with it?

At that point, you've already found a way in, before you know it's sensitive. You're going in circles again 

Now, everyone I personally know, would *not* touch the equipment, mainly because they are not dicks that like trashing stuff.