Rescue in Thailand

[Judi Durber]

What is up stream from where they are? 
I am guessing more water but if the ledge they are on is small & they can't get higher where they are, is it a better option to go further in for now?

Anyone know?

 

[nickwilliams]

Excellent discussion on Newsnight:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b98mky

 

[paul]

A bit about Derbyshire CRO on Breakfast TV:

https://youtu.be/CCGRi45EOa8

 

[Mrs Trellis]

Fantastic efforts by rescue divers - especially UK ones.

Is this a show cave or part show cave as the footballers seem to be far into the system without any normal caving equipment?

 

[Goydenman]

Fantastic efforts by rescue divers - especially UK ones.

Is this a show cave or part show cave as the footballers seem to be far into the system without any normal caving equipment?

I would imagine the flooding forced them to go further in and caves different over there much warmer so don?t expect same gear and yes part show cave

 

[Badlad]

I was passed this message which seems to be intended for all forum users/British cavers/the rescuers?,

Congrats all round to you guys. You all sound like people who?s company I would have once enjoyed.

I added a comment in The Times letters yesterday. Something like this:

In 1954 I qualified as a RN D III diver (180?) worked in the ?business? later half of last century. Forty years ago I made up for a job a surface supplied free flow air supply to an AH 10 Air Diving helmet in swim gear, I later adapted it to Scuba limited duration of course. Now in my eighties all a bit vague. When the dust settles send me a name and address and I will send you copy of my book ?Our Man in Phuket? by Alan R Cooke MBE.

Alan Cooke MBE
Phuket

 

[Pegasus]

From the Thai media

 

[braveduck]

It is a well known fact that it never rained on the famous May Day parades in Moscow ,apparently they achieved this by seeding any potential rain clouds with Cement dust dispersed by planes .
Not sure if this would work with Monsoon clouds but if things get desperate  it may be worth a try.

 

[Alex]

One thing that no one has mentioned and it's something UWFRA would do in floods is what about diverting the stream up stream of the cave. Surely there must be a known stream or two that could be damned and diverted away from the cave?

 

[Graigwen]

One thing that no one has mentioned and it's something UWFRA would do in floods is what about diverting the stream up stream of the cave. Surely there must be a known stream or two that could be damned and diverted away from the cave?

This was talked about early in the proceedings, so the authorities are aware of it. If it has not been done it is probably because the terrain makes it difficult or impossible.

 

[Ian Ball]

I've a feeling based on no knowledge at all, that a 4.5 kilometer river cave must be either fed from a very large river, or a very large amount of small streams, which I would imagine is more likely in a forest environment (again assumption based on zero experience or knowledge).  Diverting all of them to somewhere that doesn't find it's way back into the cave will be surely impossible, diverting lots of them may have little effect, but if they have so many people in attendance, maybe every little helps?

When they were first found I've got to say I thought the job was all but done, then you look at the situation, 11 children who can't swim, 4.5 kilometers under ground, past flooded sections with a river to contend with, they've not eaten much for a week, possible language barrier, it adds up to a herculean task. 

Keep at it team, you've got this 

 

[complex]

One thing that no one has mentioned and it's something UWFRA would do in floods is what about diverting the stream up stream of the cave. Surely there must be a known stream or two that could be damned and diverted away from the cave?

I think that the problems with this are (a) finding the correct surface streams to divert, and (b) deciding where to divert the water to. However, you'll be pleased to know that this is being attempted - see http://www.caverescue.org.uk/tham-luang-nang-non-cave-thailand-update-4/

 

[The Old Ruminator]

Tonight Jason Mallinson and Chris Jewel checked in a plethora of equipment weighting 500kg / 1102 lbs at London Heathrow.

"The divers are flying 13 cylinders, four rebreathers, tubs of sofnolime (a substance that absorbs carbon dioxide in a rebreather), three drysuits and a pile of A clamp adaptors" stated Gavin Newman. The Thai air cylinders are fitted with A clamp valve fittings, and the British divers all have DIN first stages on their regulators. The divers are therefore having to fly in adaptors so that the local cylinders can be used.

It is expected that Mallinson and Jewel will be on site by tomorrow night, Thursday 5 July 2018.

 

[Oceanrower]

I don't believe you. You're all part of the conspiracy about, err, something. Probably.

 

[Goydenman]

One thing that no one has mentioned and it's something UWFRA would do in floods is what about diverting the stream up stream of the cave. Surely there must be a known stream or two that could be damned and diverted away from the cave?

I think that the problems with this are (a) finding the correct surface streams to divert, and (b) deciding where to divert the water to. However, you'll be pleased to know that this is being attempted - see http://www.caverescue.org.uk/tham-luang-nang-non-cave-thailand-update-4/

See news now diverting streams

 

[Jopo]

Sad news this morning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44734385

Shows how difficult this rescue is and how dedicated the rescue teams are.

Jopo

 

[Wolfo]

Well, likely caves are not a familar and comfortable environment for these "Navy Seals" guys

 

[Ian Ball]

Horrible news

 

[SamT]

 

I'd rather pessimistically been waiting for that news a little bit, sorry to say.
That amount of cave diving, by that amount of non cave divers.

 

[Ian Ball]

I originally thought a spare tank every 25m was a little excessive