For the record, my minor concern is that, despite what has been said on UKCaving about the clubs that choose to not take insurance joining BCA as non-voting Associate Members, unless things have changed radically since I was involved in BCA, this is not usually the case. Associate (non-voting) membership tended to be taken by Show Caves and commercial organisations who wished to be associated with BCA and its aims but are not set up as Clubs. On the other hand, there were always a number of clubs who chose to pay the basic club fee to become Members, but who did not require their members to join individually and, therefore, not get the benefits of insurance. These were often university clubs who, I assumed, had insurance through their Student Unions. Clubs who choose to join BCA in this way will now lose any voting rights despite paying BCA a fee and being a member. That seems wrong. On balance, though, I accept that the greater good comes from accepting the proposal. I do not see my view as likely to change on this, but am open to sensible argument.