Would you change your vote now?
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Nice thought but I don't think so - after all Leave brought people with many EU issues together. Also is there is a clear vision of what the people/country want post Brexit. Some Leave campaigners are saying that if we want access to the EU market as we have now (perhaps like Norway ?) then we are likely to have to accept free movement of labour across our borders. While the Brexit will remove EU citizen rights to just move here and live I don't the UKIP millionaire ex-banker will be happy with this and slowly fade into obscurity.
RobinGriffiths
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AR said:
It appears that Ukip are quite happy to carry on sowing seeds of dissent up and down the country if you listened to Any Questions on R4 last night. I presume that they will continue a 'populist' agenda, and go after other groups not to their liking.
Wayland Smith
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Simon Wilson
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Don't doubt it Farage will continue to be busy working in his real job in moving England and Wales further towards extreme right wing politics.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/furious-nigel-farage-to-take-control-of-britains-exit-from-the-e/
Also please read the article by Nushy Rose if you haven't already.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/22/the-brexit-debate-has-made-britain-more-racist/?postshare=6271466613348892&tid=ss_fb-bottom
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/furious-nigel-farage-to-take-control-of-britains-exit-from-the-e/
Also please read the article by Nushy Rose if you haven't already.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/22/the-brexit-debate-has-made-britain-more-racist/?postshare=6271466613348892&tid=ss_fb-bottom
Madness
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I doubt that the majority of ' leave' voters support Farage's or UKIP's views. Voting 'leave' doesn't make you a racist. Having concerns about the number of immigrants does not make you a racist.
There is no doubt to me that people are seeing a negative effect of immigration in certain areas of the country. These are the areas with the biggest percentage of 'leave' voters.
Example - Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
A couple who are friends of mine live in Mansfield. He is the International Sales Manager for a German owned company, she is the Purchasing Manager for the engineering company that I work for. Both are intelligent people and definitely not racists. Both voted 'leave'.
The influx of immigrants into their area has had a negative impact on their lives. They have a baby and a five year old. They struggled to get a local school place for their 5 year old because of increased numbers and where told by head teachers that this was due to the number of Eastern European children applying for places at the schools. They even bought a house in a specific catchment area because of this. Whilst she was pregnant she sometimes struggled to get appointments to see doctors/midwives, her doctor's surgery usually being full and having no appointments available.
I was in Mansfield last night having a meal with these and other friends. At the end of the evening I walked back to my car which was parked on a residential street passing a group of about 10 Eastern Europeans drinking and talking loudly on the pavement outside a house. Apparently this is becoming an increasing problem in Mansfield ( my wife works for the police in Mansfield so I hear a fair bit from her about what is happening and who is committing crimes)
I've heard from quite a few work colleagues that live in the Sutton in Ashfield / Mansfield area that it's quite usual to visit the local Asda and not hear another English speaking customer.
These are the type of people who voted to leave - normal everyday people with real concerns
There is no doubt to me that people are seeing a negative effect of immigration in certain areas of the country. These are the areas with the biggest percentage of 'leave' voters.
Example - Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
A couple who are friends of mine live in Mansfield. He is the International Sales Manager for a German owned company, she is the Purchasing Manager for the engineering company that I work for. Both are intelligent people and definitely not racists. Both voted 'leave'.
The influx of immigrants into their area has had a negative impact on their lives. They have a baby and a five year old. They struggled to get a local school place for their 5 year old because of increased numbers and where told by head teachers that this was due to the number of Eastern European children applying for places at the schools. They even bought a house in a specific catchment area because of this. Whilst she was pregnant she sometimes struggled to get appointments to see doctors/midwives, her doctor's surgery usually being full and having no appointments available.
I was in Mansfield last night having a meal with these and other friends. At the end of the evening I walked back to my car which was parked on a residential street passing a group of about 10 Eastern Europeans drinking and talking loudly on the pavement outside a house. Apparently this is becoming an increasing problem in Mansfield ( my wife works for the police in Mansfield so I hear a fair bit from her about what is happening and who is committing crimes)
I've heard from quite a few work colleagues that live in the Sutton in Ashfield / Mansfield area that it's quite usual to visit the local Asda and not hear another English speaking customer.
These are the type of people who voted to leave - normal everyday people with real concerns
Oceanrower
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Laurie said:
Would you accept xenophobic?
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NewStuff
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Laurie said:
That way lies madness. Might as well drop any pretense to democracy, and hope the riots don't totally feck the country as a whole over... there *would* be riots, it's not as if the Far right need an excuse, and many others would be pulled along with them, look at the London/Manchester riots a few years back.
Hughie
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mat said:
Impressive.
Also completely nullified by the great majority of leave voters that wont bother rocking up to vote leave again - unless the first referendum is cancelled at the behest of the remain side.
My perception of democracy doesn't work like that. Unless, of course, I'm offered a significant pile of loot....
What is it Cameron said on Twatter - it's a referendum, not a neverendum.
Wayland Smith
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topcat said:
Can we do it for the CROW ballot?
