Would you change your vote now?
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kay
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If the result had been the other way, and we had stayed in, and it didn't turn out well, in 5 or 10 years time we could have another referendum, and there'd be a much greater degree of consensus for leaving.
If things don't turn out well on leaving, there's no going back. The EU won't have us back, or, if they did, it would be on much worse terms than now.
When the result is so close, the rational and democratic response is to keep options open.
If things don't turn out well on leaving, there's no going back. The EU won't have us back, or, if they did, it would be on much worse terms than now.
When the result is so close, the rational and democratic response is to keep options open.
RobinGriffiths
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royfellows said:
Osborne is merely leaving responsibility for the 'emergency budget' to his brexit successor, much in the same way that Cameron is doing with triggering article 50. They don't want to be seen to be the men who squeezed the trigger.
It'll be interesting to see what the OBR come up with.
Simon Wilson
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kay said:
I'm not sure about the first part but agree with the second.
This morning Boris said,"there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market". That looks as if Boris would be expecting to either not leave at all or maintaining the single market. Remaining in the single market would cost the same as it does now, we would have to accept all the regulations but have no say in making those regulations, so we would be in a much worse situation. Time will tell how Boris and his mates try to maintain access to the single market. We'll see. I rather suspect Boris has no wish to leave the EU and never did have.
Madness
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I don't think that many people expected the vote to go the way it did. I suspect that a good percentage of the 'Leave' voters expected it to kick up enough fuss to make the EU accept some reforms.
I'm sure that the majority of 'Leave' voters would now find staying in the EU acceptable if their concerns were addressed. It's in the hands of the EU and the British Government to find acceptable middle ground. Will they do that - Who knows?
I'm sure that the majority of 'Leave' voters would now find staying in the EU acceptable if their concerns were addressed. It's in the hands of the EU and the British Government to find acceptable middle ground. Will they do that - Who knows?
royfellows
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Simon Wilson
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Madness said:
If there was a second referendum tomorrow then I think the result would be to remain but obviously that can't happen because it would be totally unacceptable to around half the electorate. If Boris negotiated some compromise and had another referendum a year from now on whether or not to accept the compromise then that might be acceptable to many more.
But yes, who knows what is going to happen? A general election? Maybe. A general election with election pledges which change the mandate and avoid another referendum?
Simon Wilson
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Laurie said:I got offered early retirement two days before my British multi-national company was taken over by a German company. I have a British pension fund being topped up annually by the Germans.And said:
and your point is?
RobinGriffiths
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Groundhog
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My view for what it's worth..
Cameron should never have called the referendum in the first place.
When he did it should have been dependent on a 60% 40% split. This is too important a decision to be passed with a tiny majority.
There can be no doubt that if it had gone the other way and "leave" had lost by a tiny margin They would have been screaming for a rerun.
Probably too late now and we will have to live with it.
Cameron should never have called the referendum in the first place.
When he did it should have been dependent on a 60% 40% split. This is too important a decision to be passed with a tiny majority.
There can be no doubt that if it had gone the other way and "leave" had lost by a tiny margin They would have been screaming for a rerun.
Probably too late now and we will have to live with it.
royfellows
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Groundhog said:
If Cameron was to win the general election, and this would have been considered in the light of the the opinion polls just before the election, he had to do this to get sufficient votes away from UKIP. He was then faced with the choice of either renegading on his pre election promise, or going ahead but throwing enough money and spin at the job to ensure the 'right' result.
As it turned out, it didn't work and all went bottom up.
I would agree completely the rest and the necessity for a clear majority either way was something I said before the referendum . However I have now reconsidered this in the light of great opinion divide between Scotland and the rest of the UK. Lets face it Scotland have been itching for independence for some time and Brexit is a window of opportunity to good for them to miss.
ADDENDUM
This is something else worth seeing and explains the position with Scotland well:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35603388
RobinGriffiths
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Not good. A mixed race friend of mine has just been given the 'go home' treatment this lunchtime. I hope this is an isolated incident.
royfellows
Well-known member
RobinGriffiths said:
The media is full of reports of this sort of thing, its quite worrying.
Are they isolated incidents though?
I was at an all day martial arts yesterday and we have other races there and we all train together and are all good mates.
My next door neighbour is Asian and I was taking to him about things last night and he said that he voted Exit, no clever comments please.
I asked him if he felt that UKIP was racist and he said it doesn't matter because they will never get in power.
Clive G
Member
RobinGriffiths said:
People have mistakenly associated the European Union with corporate globalisation.
The European Union is Europe's antidote to corporate globalisation.
Tell your friend that the treatment they have experienced from an ignorant person is nothing compared to what corporate globalisation will do to all the citizens of an isolated 'Great Britain', trying to go it alone in the world economy of today. This will start to take effect once banking headquarters move to other countries.
The encouragement from some individuals for Scotland and Northern Ireland to split away from the United Kingdom (to be able to stay in Europe) shows the scale of the ignorance and stupidity involved.
But, as I said in another thread ( http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=20548.msg264268#new ), we're now living in a whirlwind . . .
royfellows
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Clive G said:
Your up against something here.
"corporate globalisation"!
Most people dont even know what it means.
Clive G
Member
royfellows said:
It means companies that have become greater and more powerful than the governments of nation states. Companies that move their headquarters and base of operations from one 'territory' to another, depending on where they can get the cheapest labour and tax/land-rental deals.
This ensures that a 'Global Market Economy' rules.
Not a happy sight when one 'territory' decides to stand alone.
Rupert Murdoch, who is part of the 'Global Market Economy' and doesn't even live in the UK, has, through The Sun newspaper, been fully behind swinging the vote to get Britain out of Europe - I wonder why?
royfellows
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Clive G said:
Its a good argument, I wanted you to explain it as it was you that brought it into the thread.
Its interesting though, which corporation is the biggest and most powerful on the planet.
I wonder how many people know this, without looking it up.
OK if you think you know, what's the first letter of its name, A, B, C, or whatever.
My little game
