Would you change your vote now?

[MJenkinson]

What Clive G said.

 

[ChrisJC]

I have just watched Farage address the European parliament and am not the happy bunny.

Although I agree most of the points he made does he have to show such blatant disrespect by telling them that "they have never had proper jobs"!
First he insults them and then mentions being friends, what world does he live in.
He could take a lesson from my karate, we always show proper respect to an opponent. If you show respect, you gain respect.

The way he is going someone is going to pop him one. He is outright provocative.

I don't take that sort of point scoring too seriously. Hence I found it very funny.

Chris.

 

[royfellows]

I have just watched Farage address the European parliament and am not the happy bunny.

Although I agree most of the points he made does he have to show such blatant disrespect by telling them that "they have never had proper jobs"!
First he insults them and then mentions being friends, what world does he live in.
He could take a lesson from my karate, we always show proper respect to an opponent. If you show respect, you gain respect.

The way he is going someone is going to pop him one. He is outright provocative.

With respect Roy, what World have you been living in for the last ten years if you have only just found this out?

I haven't just found this out Simon, please don't try to second guess me.
The late George W Hall was very anti EU but was disgusted by Farage's attack on a gentleman who had just become the new EU president in 2010:

"You have all the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk"

Farage does no service to either himself, his party, or Brexit voters with these kind of personal insults.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Makes you wonder what Farage's aims are. Any normal person would have his day in the sun with good grace.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Ooh, and while I'm at it, any national observation on disappearance or not of remain/leave placards? Not statistically significant obviously (just a bit of fun), but the three large leave placards on the way to work (Gwynedd) have evaporated like the last snows of spring, but the five smaller remain one (obviously enough) remain.

Now, to my biased eyes, the leave placards have done a 'nought to do with us mate, and buggered off', whereas the remain placards say 'well, this is what we said would happen' - other interpretations are available.

Anyone noticed any local placard trends?

Robin

 

[Madness]

I don't blame people for removing placards. Better than being subjected to the vitriolic outpourings of those whose opinions differ.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

And yet, they chose to put the placards up in the first place.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Just as I wouldn't put anything up in the window. Tory-crash, tinkle, tinkle, Labour-might get away with it - depends who's on their way home from the pub, Plaid - ditto, Liberals - not a problem.

By the way, where are the Liberals? Are there any still around?

 

[Clive G]

Just come across this 'sound bite' from the Dutch prime minister on the Guardian Online website:

Mark Rutte, the Dutch prime minister, said the UK should be given more time before Article 50 is triggered, because ?England has collapsed politically, monetarily, constitutionally and economically?. Adding to this theme later in the day he said: to anyone thinking it was ?a good idea to leave the single market, this is what happens?.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/cameron-eu-leaders-uk-control-immigration

The piece ends:

Reactions in Brussels to Britain?s vote for Brexit ranged from sadness to alarm, but officials insisted the show would go on. Some junior staff said they cried on hearing the results on Friday morning. Juncker said he was sad because he was not ?a robot, a grey bureaucrat or a technocrat?.

Senior EU diplomats are also perplexed about how the prime minister managed to turn what they saw as a very generous deal ? negotiated in February ? into a catastrophic defeat that has plunged Britain into crisis. EU insiders thought the UK had got an exceptional offer, and were left bitter and disappointed when Cameron didn?t use it in the referendum campaign.

 

[menacer]

Just as I wouldn't put anything up in the window. Tory-crash, tinkle, tinkle, Labour-might get away with it - depends who's on their way home from the pub, Plaid - ditto, Liberals - not a problem.

Which political fringe do you think are reaponsible for your " smash tinkle tinkle" comment and what does that say about their " liberal, tolerance" for opposing opinions?

 

[PeteHall]

Anyone noticed any local placard trends?

A prominent "vote remain" was removed on Friday morning near me (south Glos) but there are still loads of "vote leave" ones everywhere.

Went to Kent at the weekend via Oxford and loads of "Vote Leave" on the motorway and throughout residential areas in Kent. Didn't notice any in Oxford...

Haven't noticed many "vote remain" ones anywhere since Friday, but not sure I saw many before...

There were also loads of celebratory placards on the leave side in Kent and a cafe my brother visited (also in Kent) on Friday was serving lobster and champagne at half price to celebrate.

 

[royfellows]

The weekend before the referendum drove to Wales as usual and saw "Leave" everywhere, not a single "Remain", particularly around Llanidloes and going towards Aber.
Shows regional trends I think, will be up this W.E. and see if still there. (To rub it in?)

 

[royfellows]

I like this one from the BBC:

"London market rises 150 points, or 2.5%, as recovery charges ahead with miners leading the pack, while sterling jumps against the dollar."

 

[Madness]

Just been catching up with events on BBC News website.

Apparently Nicola Sturgeon has already met the European Commission President, meets the EU Parliament President today and has been declined a meeting by the President of the European Council.

I suspect they all have different jobs...

...but 3 Presidents?!

 

[PeteHall]

and how many of them were democratically elected?

Genuine question by the way, I can't fathom how it all works! 

 

[RobinGriffiths]

The weekend before the referendum drove to Wales as usual and saw "Leave" everywhere, not a single "Remain", particularly around Llanidloes and going towards Aber.
Shows regional trends I think, will be up this W.E. and see if still there. (To rub it in?)

That's odd though, Ceredigion was supposed to be one of the most Europhile.

 

[royfellows]

The weekend before the referendum drove to Wales as usual and saw "Leave" everywhere, not a single "Remain", particularly around Llanidloes and going towards Aber.
Shows regional trends I think, will be up this W.E. and see if still there. (To rub it in?)

That's odd though, Ceredigion was supposed to be one of the most Europhile.

I didn't know that.
Thinking about it, I never saw a remain anywhere, and I was looking for them.

Anybody live round there?

 

[pwhole]

By the time Star Trek is meant to exist, everyone is in the Federation (i.e. one-world government), and apparently perfectly happy with that. Mind you, they do mostly wear military uniforms too, so maybe there's a clue. Although they're all pretty buff in those uniforms, so perhaps global weight-loss and benevolent dictatorships are the way to go after all?

I must say that personally I didn't give two hoots whether EU Commissioners are democratically elected or not - the people who put them there are, and we vote for them. Or at least I did. When I mentioned the last European elections to a couple of friends of mine who said they were going to vote 'Leave', they didn't even know that they'd occurred, as they don't usually vote for anything. This time they were mad keen to vote, for some unearthly reason. Maybe because it was an easier question.

I still can't see why the 'Leave' question couldn't have included "...and do (example) - or (example) afterwards." Obviously folks would have had to think a bit harder then, so we might have only had a 35% turnout, like the European Parliament Elections. But at least someone would have had to commit to a plan of action, instead of everyone standing around twiddling their thumbs going "hmmm..." like they are at the moment. Or the more 'ambitious' thinking: "Maybe I should brief against him? Or maybe her? Agghh - it's so complicated!"

What's truly hilarious is that no-one in power (or my friends) even thought to question the principle when the referendum was announced that a simple majority would not be sufficient settlement for a decision as gigantic as this. I did, but I'm not in charge - yet. As it is, 'officially', about 2% more of the British population think it is a good idea than the ones who think it's a really bad idea. And many of the ones who thought it was a good idea now don't - certainly more than that measly 2%. That's really screwed-up, and a recipe for lots of punch-ups on a Friday night, if not worse. The decision may even end up getting postponed because of all the Friday-night punch-ups. That would be even more hilarious.

So how do we get to the Federation from here, how long to we have to wait and when do all the fatties begin slimming-up to get into those buff uniforms?  :halo:

 

[Alex]

That's my concern too, I for one would love a united states of europe as well its on the way to world peace but all this division is pushing us in the wrong direction. But then again referring back to Star Trek  universe the whole world went to hell mid twenty-first century so maybe that future could still come true? Maybe we will all be in those slimming/buff uniforms by the 24th century but unfortunately we will all be dead by then. Probbably killed in some massive war for resources rather than old age though.

 

[Simon Wilson]

and how many of them were democratically elected?

Genuine question by the way, I can't fathom how it all works! 

People believed it when Farage told them that the EU isn't democratic without bothering to find out anything about "how it all works". The vast majority of the people doing the work of the UK government are not elected. The UK civil service is HUGE and is not elected.

    Hacker: Who else is in this department?

    Sir Humphrey: Well briefly, sir, I am the Permanent Under-Secretary of State, known as the Permanent Secretary. Woolley here is your Principal Private Secretary. I too have a Principal Private Secretary and he is the Principal Private Secretary to the Permanent Secretary. Directly responsible to me are ten Deputy Secretaries, 87 Under Secretaries and 219 Assistant Secretaries. Directly responsible to the Principal Private Secretaries are plain Private Secretaries, and the Prime Minister will be appointing two Parliamentary Under-Secretaries and you will be appointing your own Parliamentary Private Secretary.
    Hacker: Can they all type?

The leg work of the EU is carried out by the Commissions headed by the Commissioners who are appointees one from each member country and they rotate every five years. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/2014-2019_en

There is now no commissioner from the UK because he has just resigned probably because he is outraged and feels disgusted and ashamed to call himself British. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/2014-2019/hill_en

A few more people should have bothered to find out a little bit about how it all works before swallowing Farages crap about it not being democratic.