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Offline Les W

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Cave rescue in Germany
« on: June 09, 2014, 12:11:25 pm »
It is a rubbish machine translation but I guess you can get the general gist

http://tinyurl.com/oenspma

edit: A better version-

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=320254813&ft=1&f=
« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 12:27:56 pm by Les W »
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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2014, 03:43:02 pm »
And it's on the beeb now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27759819

This looks like it'll keep the Austrian and German cave rescue people busy for a while, if he really is 1000m down. Anyone familiar with the system or have any proper caver-grade information?

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2014, 05:00:44 pm »
There was an account,  "Riesending Passes the -1000m Mark" in Speleology, no 12, Summer 2008 It  included a survey showing that 4 camps had been used during exploration of a fairly typical alpine system of rifts, big shafts (up to180m), large phreatic tubes and steep, muddy mazes, at depth, and active streams.

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2014, 05:23:36 pm »
http://www.vdhk.de/fileadmin/pdf/mitteilungen/Heft2-2011.pdf (p. 36-44)

It's German, but has nice pictures as well as a survey and elevation, and it shows the camp sites (Biwak 1-6). The subtitle to picture 1 says this sort of passages is typical "for the first few hours on the way down", which would make it a pretty bad place to be rescued from...

Curiously the first hit on google (http://www.lehmpfuhl.org/Html/Forschung/Riesending/Riesending.html) says this data is currently taken offline, "please respect the personal rights of the involved people as well as the copyrights to the pictures".

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2014, 07:19:17 pm »
I was on the original exploration of the plateau in 1995 and may well have mapped the entrance to this cave since the potential was only discovered much later. I worked on a system only a few hundred metres from the Riesending which we took to over 400 m depth. It was the most difficult, narrow, rifty cold caving I have ever done. The name of the caver has not been released but it is a sure thing I know him well.  :(

Wish them luck, it is not looking extremely difficult at the moment.

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2014, 11:18:45 am »
Update. Better news today. Following a head injury sustained during a rock fall yesterday it was initially thought the rescue was going to involve a horizontal stretcher carry of an unconscious person from -1000m. Today, the injured caver has been able to stand for short periods and is able to speak again. There is now hope that he will be able to be helped out of the cave by the end of the coming weekend. If I hear anything new I will post up. Good luck J.

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2014, 11:43:38 am »
Is the cave in the area where the salt mine is situated? I have a friend who lives in Trauenstein and we visit him regularly.
I hope he gets out alive.
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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2014, 12:49:34 pm »
URGENT REQUEST:

I have just had a phonecall from Thomas Matthalm and they want to get a fully qualified doctor to the casualty. The doctor needs to be able to go to -950m in a hard but dry Alpine cave - please can everyone ask around any likely candidates and get them to phone me on 07939 003818 (I may not be at computer so phone best) - I can give details and put them in touch with Thomas who is now on the surface.

It would mean leaving straight away, probably tonight. They are desperate and have no doctors in Germany capable of doing the trip. He says it's a bit like a Yorkshire cave - just much much deeper.

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2014, 01:08:34 pm »
Another source of updates on progress, with survey indicating site of accident - the European Cave Rescue Association - http://ecra-rescue.org/index.php/en/news-en/generally


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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2014, 01:09:53 pm »
Perhaps Hugh's request should be a separate thread?
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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2014, 01:21:46 pm »
good idea - will re-post

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2014, 05:09:28 pm »
If anyone wants an impression of the cave then this report was shown on German TV a couple of weeks back. The injured caver actually features in this program. There is other stuff on there (equally interesting) about salt mines and marmot holes but he cave features at the beginning and again roughly around 9 minutes in and again at 25 minutes. This is followed by a bit about cave diving in the Blautopf. Worth a watch even if you can't understand the lingo.

http://www.zdf.de/terra-x/terra-x-deutschland-von-unten-einblicke-in-deutschlands-unterwelt-erste-folge-land-32960962.html

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2014, 07:35:41 pm »
Excellent video, thanks for posting. Lets hope the rescue goes well.
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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2014, 08:29:34 pm »
Does anyone know if the rescue team need additional manpower ?? 
I am right now working close to Munich and could, with Easyjet help, get my kit flown in tomorrow. 
The offer is there, but Im hoping they have enough local German speaking support. 
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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2014, 08:41:39 am »
Update

a Doctor has finally managed to reach Johann (name is now in general use on TV) and has had a chance to assess the extent of his head injuries. It has been decided to stabilise him and to protect his head from any movement and to initiate a stretcher carry out of the cave. An indication of the severity of the cave was again shown by the fact that one of the cavers accompanying the doctor into the cave was unable to continue past camp 3 due to the difficulties he encountered. The casualty lies beyond camp 5. There is a special programme tonight on the Bavarian National TV I will watch and let you know if anything new develops

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2014, 11:12:19 am »
If you start posting links to the German news, you shouldn't miss this one:
http://www.bgland24.de/bgland/marktschellenberg/marktschellenberg-hoehlen-drama-riesending-schachthoehle-untersberg-forscher-transportfaehig-3625913.html
They've so far had very good and informative coverage of the rescue operations.


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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2014, 11:23:39 pm »
Latest news is that they expect the Casvac to take from 4-7 days now that all element are in place and Johann is not getting worse and will hopefully be able to give a small degree of self help in the most difficult sections. The rescue is already several days old and the cost are mounting, not least for all the heli drops being made. In Germany the casualty must somehow foot the bill for the complete rescue costs, even the cost of the Fire brigade being present!! Hopefully Johann has some insurance which may pay something towards it, but the German Cave Rescue Association is having a whip round just in case, with any money not used going in to the rescue coffers. So if anyone feels they could give something, even a couple of quid. please head to the following website where you will find a Paypal address to make donations.

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2014, 11:48:18 am »
There's a solid account in today's Sunday Times.

This, however, has a pay wall.

I've no wish to get anyone in copyright problems but I understand that the caver has a head injury similar to Michael Schumacher. The third member of the cavers made the surface in 12 hours rather than the normal 24 hours to report the accident.
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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2014, 09:04:17 am »
Good piece on BBCR4 Today - interview with rescue leader. Again solid stuff and no sensationalism.  Injured man now starting his exit.

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2014, 11:14:20 am »
Good news from the cave. The rescue is going to plan. Currently 50 persons are working in the cave to prepare the hauls and to move the stretcher. Johann is now at camp 3 having been successfully transported through the more horizontal parts of the cave. They are estimating a day of transport between each of the remaining camps so with luck he should be out in three days time.

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2014, 11:42:59 am »

Good news   :)
Fingers crossed it all goes smoothly!! 

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Re: Cave rescue in Germany
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2014, 06:25:22 pm »
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