They certainly need a right to roam in the Irish Republic. The book of walks for Connemara is wafer thin, The Twelve Bens of Connemara national park contains one hill you can walk up. The Burren national park has one walk on one hill as well! The second deepest cave in Ireland is currently inaccessbile to cavers. We have it lucky in the UK compared to many other countries.
someone says that I am not allowed.
A great post badland. Thanks.Quote from: mrodoc on December 04, 2017, 06:06:17 pmThey certainly need a right to roam in the Irish Republic. The book of walks for Connemara is wafer thin, The Twelve Bens of Connemara national park contains one hill you can walk up. The Burren national park has one walk on one hill as well! The second deepest cave in Ireland is currently inaccessbile to cavers. We have it lucky in the UK compared to many other countries.I was of the understanding that for much or Ireland (and indeed the rest of Europe), it was very permissive - no formal right to be there, but equally no one much cares if you are, providing you're sensible about doing no damage and keeping out of 'obviously' private land. Ireland's had a bit more development in the last decade or two though, so maybe that's changed.
I think the CROW Act is a good thing and was the culmination of years of campaigning. It is excellent that we now have written down in law that we can roam, at will, over vast areas of land.
However, personally, I don't think it has had any impact on my activities as a fell runner and hill walker. All the designated Access Land areas I visit now were always effectively open before the Act came along. I ran where ever I liked across unenclosed uplands before and I still do now.
There may well be areas that opened up as a result of CROW, but I don't where those are.
Well that's good to know. My main experience is of the Shropshire hills, Snowdonia and the Brecon Beacons.
- three cheers for Benny Goodman and the Ramblers.
Quote from: Simon Wilson on December 06, 2017, 01:54:23 pm- three cheers for Benny Goodman and the Ramblers.Benny Goodman might have been involved albeit in a minor way - it was the right era.
Quote from: Rhys on December 06, 2017, 01:01:27 pmWell that's good to know. My main experience is of the Shropshire hills, Snowdonia and the Brecon Beacons.But you didn't have a legal right to be there. Maybe you were never thrown off but I'm sure other people will have been ejected from land in some of those areas.
Quote from: Simon Wilson on December 06, 2017, 02:29:42 pmQuote from: Simon Wilson on December 06, 2017, 01:54:23 pm- three cheers for Benny Goodman and the Ramblers.Benny Goodman might have been involved albeit in a minor way - it was the right era.He'd certainly of jazzed things up.
I can remember being in Northern Ireland a few years ago and looking at walking part westerly section of the "Ulster Way", which was being promoted in leaflets. The first stretch I came to, there was a new house built right across the track which large notices saying"Keep out" and "No Access". It didn't seem worth bothering if the landowner could do this on a so-called right of way which the government expressly promoted as a walking route.Don't know how different it is in the Irish Republic but I have found walking in Co. Clare sometimes difficult. I once found a that a walled footpath (which appeared to be a right of way and was officially signposted to a destination), had been completely filled, wall to wall, with cuttings from thorny bushes over a stretch of 100 yards close to the end. This made it completely impossible to carry on to the signposted destination and, since I couldn't climb over the walls, also meant back-tracking for several miles to find a way out.It did seem in both cases that, whilst the law said you have rights, the landowner could do whatever he wanted to in order to stop you.So, while we believe CRoW gives us rights (with which we must accept the responsibility to behave reasonably), it could happen that we still lose out if the rights are not enforced.
From http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/recreational_activities_in_ireland/sport_and_leisure/walking_and_rambling_in_ireland.htmlRight of wayThere is a distinction in Irish law between public and private rights of way. A public right of way is a person's right of passage along a road or path, even if the road or path is not in public ownership. There are very few registered public rights of way that are not maintained public roads.A private right of way is the right to enter onto private lands, but only for the purposes of gaining access to or exiting from another piece of land. It is typically an arrangement between neighbours.The waymarked trails are permissive routes that have been developed with the landowners’ agreement and are not rights of way. Even access to Coillte lands is permissive and you do not have a right of access.
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