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Offline dugadig

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2019, 11:43:00 pm »
Are the normal Petzel Duo lights old hat now then? Or is everyone upgrading?
Mine still works.. I pulled it out my caving barrel from a load of rotten stuff. Very reliable I would say!  ;)

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2019, 11:57:03 am »
Are the normal Petzel Duo lights old hat now then? Or is everyone upgrading?
Mine still works.. I pulled it out my caving barrel from a load of rotten stuff. Very reliable I would say!  ;)

Duos are still very popular. I'm getting one this weekend :)

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2019, 12:22:17 pm »
I can certainly vouch for the Duo. A really reliable and durable piece of kit. Just ordered one of the new CustomDuo omnis as the Duo’s main drawback is it’s light output.

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2019, 01:13:18 pm »
Duos are still very popular. I'm getting one this weekend :)

One of the new Duos or the original? Will you be getting one of the custom inserts for it?

http://customduo.co.uk/Duo-Modules/

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2019, 02:13:58 pm »
I'm not sure yet. It's 2nd hand from someone. I'm collecting a load for a friend

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2019, 02:44:58 pm »
I'm also looking for a light similar to HL55 right now, that NiteCore one looks pretty on point. One question though:

I had to return my fenix HL55 recently because the contacts got loose and the torch stopped working - bad design flaw!  :(

What exactly do you mean by this? Did you consider just bending hte contacts back into place? Or that maybe you didn't screw the cap down hard enough... Maybe I have misinterpreted the problem. Either way that NiteCore HC33 that Ari posted looks pretty good.
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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2019, 02:50:17 pm »
If you go caving on your own the Duo is a fabulous lamp.

If you go caving with Scurion wearers, it seems somewhat useless.

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2019, 03:02:03 pm »

What exactly do you mean by this? Did you consider just bending hte contacts back into place? Or that maybe you didn't screw the cap down hard enough... Maybe I have misinterpreted the problem. Either way that NiteCore HC33 that Ari posted looks pretty good.

I did try bending the contacts back in place and stuffed foil in the spring. It worked temporarily but still lost contact so I got annoyed with it and returned it. I always had to screw the cap on very tight but there's only so much you can screw something!

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #58 on: May 24, 2019, 03:05:03 pm »
If you go caving on your own the Duo is a fabulous lamp.

If you go caving with Scurion wearers, it seems somewhat useless.

I may invest in a scurion at some point but in the mean time I've been offered a duo for a very reasonable price so can't really say no ;)

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #59 on: May 24, 2019, 07:24:36 pm »
Here's a new possibility

http://ylplight.com/en/katalog/1/nalobnye-fonari/panda-3r/

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/67283

That looks so good that I've gone and ordered one. The things that really appeal to me are the very light weight, cheap standard batteries, and of course having a spot and flood beam (which I haven't seen in this type of light before).

A couple of notes:
  • Here's another review, apparently by a caver who used it for a 14-day camping trip in Veryovkina.
  • You can currently get a discount using the code BLF-1. Knocked it down to £44 including shipping, even after Paypal's rapacious exchange rate. Looks like this expires in June.

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2019, 08:33:26 pm »
I find the headlamp strap can be a pain, the rubber holder leaves vertical pressure lines on your forehead.

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2019, 10:30:06 pm »
Regarding the problem with the HL55 - Not all batteries are the same length. Perhaps you were using a particularly short unprotected battery.

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #62 on: May 25, 2019, 08:40:12 am »
 www.carbi.com
Look like good lamps

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #63 on: May 25, 2019, 09:27:21 am »
Regarding the problem with the HL55 - Not all batteries are the same length. Perhaps you were using a particularly short unprotected battery.

I tried 2 different batteries and had the same problem. I just think it's a bad design

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #64 on: May 25, 2019, 07:09:38 pm »
www.carbi.com
Look like good lamps

I'm not convinced that they are robust enough for caving.

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2019, 10:09:09 pm »
I have a fenix and have had for 3 years. Brilliant light cant fault it but I decided to upgrade and was suggested elspeleo terra. big mistake had problems from day one and had a replacement lamp and still problems. Cant fault there customer service as have been offered a refund. So I'm looking for a reliable upgrade around the the same money that can produce anything from 1100-1300 lumens. Any suggestions

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2019, 10:27:18 pm »
Why are people fixated on needing a high amount of lumens? Obviously the amount of lumens you need depends on the passage you're negotiating, but in reality you really don't need more than say 400 lumens the majority of the time.
My main setting for general caving is 150-160 lumens in a wide angle beam. Occasionally I'll switch to 300+ lumens of narrower beam. If I know I'm going somewhere that is big I'll take my 5000 lumen hand held.

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2019, 11:10:56 pm »
I like to look at the ceiling :)

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #68 on: May 28, 2019, 08:17:23 am »
Why are people fixated on needing a high amount of lumens? Obviously the amount of lumens you need depends on the passage you're negotiating, but in reality you really don't need more than say 400 lumens the majority of the time.
My main setting for general caving is 150-160 lumens in a wide angle beam. Occasionally I'll switch to 300+ lumens of narrower beam. If I know I'm going somewhere that is big I'll take my 5000 lumen hand held.

I am underground on my own most of the time, and in mines at that. I started exploring slate mines on my own, hence the quest for more light. Powerful torches never appealed to me because I wanted it on my head leaving both hands free. In the company of others I find it quite different as I have the benefit of other peoples light. However, large chambers still appeal even if I am with others.

For the past few years though, I seem to have spent most of my time working underground. In this case light weight is what I want. Max output is collateral, and seldom used.
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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #69 on: May 28, 2019, 09:56:45 am »
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I like to look at the ceiling

Not always a good idea; I remember going back to Oxlow Caverns after an absence of many tears, and being appalled by the state of the ceiling in (I think) West Chamber; with our good modern lights we could see how unstable it was, whereas with the crappy old lamps we used to use we were unaware of the hanging death . . . 'ignorance is bliss', eh?

(By the way, I have a Fenix HP 55 that has never given me the sort of trouble described above.)

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2019, 12:58:05 pm »
Why are people fixated on needing a high amount of lumens? Obviously the amount of lumens you need depends on the passage you're negotiating, but in reality you really don't need more than say 400 lumens the majority of the time.

Over Easter, I forgot my helmet on the way to Juniper Gulf and hired one from Inglesport. It came with a Petzl Pixa 2. I was amazed how comfortable it was to have so little weight on my head. It's only 80 lumens on the high setting, and most of the time I used the low setting of 20 lumens to save batteries. 20 lumens was dimmer than I'd prefer, but still perfectly usable.

For the last 10--15 years, "the best" caving lamps have been widely considered to be the brightest and most expensive. These lights have basically copied Scurions. They have a visibly (perhaps ostentatiously!) robust design, with metal bodies and battery boxes. They mostly use expensive custom batteries.

I think we're starting to see a change in that. For example, American cavers seem to be using Zebralights a lot, which are light, cheap, and use standard batteries. The Carbi light looks interesting. I like the idea of a flood beam that fills all your peripheral vision.

I suspect most cavers (including me) will still want a reasonably bright light, but we'll start to see more interest in other factors. How much does it weigh on the head? Does it have a warm/neutral light? How wide is the flood? How much would it cost to buy enough batteries for an entire expedition, and not even worry about recharging?

I don't understand why cavers think anything made of plastic is flimsy. The Pixa headlamps, for example, have been specifically designed for robustness in professional use. See Petzl's video, where they "crush" the light with an 80 kg weight (jump to 40 seconds in):

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2019, 02:58:12 pm »
The reason for a high lumen lamp is because I like to do photography and also do a caving trip once a year to a different country and without a powerful light in places like the vercors you cant see much because the chambers are so vast.

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2019, 03:20:34 pm »

I don't understand why cavers think anything made of plastic is flimsy.

Not the issue, Steyr AUG assault rifle made of high impact plastic, as are a lot of modern car components, camera and other stuff. Issue for lamps is Heat Conductivity = Zero

Aluminium lamps can be light in weight. Stenlight 125 grams, Rude Nora (latest) A remarkable 110 grams, dont know he has done it!, and my Dragon is 130 grams
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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2019, 03:43:16 pm »
Aluminium lamps can be light in weight. Stenlight 125 grams, Rude Nora (latest) A remarkable 110 grams, dont know he has done it!, and my Dragon is 130 grams

Presumably those weights do not include batteries, or even the battery box? Still good regardless. :thumbsup:

Not saying "metal is a bad material for lamp casings" at all, but I'm guessing we'll see lighter designs being used more over the next decade, with a compromise on how much sustained light they can put out.

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Re: Head torch opinions
« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2019, 04:36:39 pm »
My excuse for wanting high luminosity is due to my poor eyesight in the dark lol! I don't like wearing glasses or contact lenses when I cave so need all the light I can get!  :blink: