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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2021, 10:33:16 pm »
One thing that's not entirely obvious (until you get there) is that the deviation on the pitch into the Bell Chamber needs to be very short - no more than about 15cm, due to the hade of the shaft, so a tiny sling or maybe just two or three krabs instead is sufficient. Obviously a rebelay would resolve the problem if the rope was long enough and you could be bothered.

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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2021, 06:17:35 pm »
A minor update. For some of the Peak/Speedwell system topos there were links to the DCA (ex Hitch 'n' Hike) microguides. A link on the web page and a QR code on the topo. DCA have been revamping the peakdistrictcaving.info web site and the links are broken. It doesn't seem possible to link to the pdf's directly any more. The links on the rigging guide page and the QR codes on the topos have been removed. The microguides are still available via the peakdistrictcaving.info link and the web page tells you which microguide is appropriate for the respective topo. The new guide version is 13.8.
The affected topos are for Far Sump Extensions, George Cooper's Aven, Victoria Aven and the White River Series.
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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2021, 07:21:55 pm »
Latest updates to the guide, version 13.9:

The P8 topo now has more detailed drawings of the area around Idiot's Leap to help navigation and updated rigging of the high level routes there. There is some confusion as to which of the two high level SRT routes is the one actually called Boney Pitch, so for now the name has been removed. The rigging for the Iron Ladder pitch has been corrected. We had the two anchors used to descend the pitch being part of the high level traverse, when in fact they are a couple of metres lower down and on the opposite wall. The DCA topo has the same thing. There is some confusion over the name of Stalagmite Passage. In surveys it is called Stalagmite Passage, but in lots of guide books over the years it is called Stalactite Passage, even if it is called Stalagmite in a survey in the same book. The same mismatch seems to have been copied from one guide book to the next over the decades. We are trying to trace the name back to the earliest exploration, with help from various people. For now, it stays as Stalagmite. My suggestion has been to compromise and rename it Stagatite Passage!  ;D

Snelsow Swallet now includes the rigging for the lower pitch. This is on stainless expansion anchors. Not official DCA anchors, but well placed. The DCA are still working on the anchors and lid for the top entrance, so for now, this part of the cave has been removed from the topo, but there is space for it to go, when the route is open for business.

At Eldon Hole, the South Gully route topo has been modified to make rigging and using the route a little easier. There are two anchors about a metre apart on the East Wall, where the gully goes vertical, the second of which was shared with the East Wall route. Getting to the second anchor from the first was awkward and adds nothing to the safety of the route, so the rebelay on the topo now goes from the first anchor. Provided the deviation on the West Wall is used, then all should be well.

Corrected the introduction. The date of our first publised rigging guide was 1994.

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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2021, 08:56:09 pm »
Getting to the second anchor from the first was awkward and adds nothing to the safety of the route, so the rebelay on the topo now goes from the first anchor. Provided the deviation on the West Wall is used, then all should be well.
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That's excellent news as I rigged that pitch a few weeks ago and had no idea that second anchor was there until I got to the bottom and Wayne mentioned it. As you point out, we didn't need it. In fact it was the day we met you at the top. A few more anchors on all those single-anchor 20m+ pitches wouldn't go amiss though, especially on the North route, where there are two in sequence with 40m of fresh air inbetween. How long have they been in there? ;)

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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2021, 08:59:51 pm »
Nige Atkins bolted pitches in P8 and I asked him about the names a while ago.
The one that lands from the high level at the base of Idiot's Leap is the Boney Pitch. The one that lands on the sharp corner further down the streamway after the climb over the boulder is the Far Flats Pitch. There are other pitches on Spits with names but I forget those.

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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2021, 09:13:48 pm »
Getting to the second anchor from the first was awkward and adds nothing to the safety of the route, so the rebelay on the topo now goes from the first anchor. Provided the deviation on the West Wall is used, then all should be well.
Jen

That's excellent news as I rigged that pitch a few weeks ago and had no idea that second anchor was there until I got to the bottom and Wayne mentioned it. As you point out, we didn't need it. In fact it was the day we met you at the top. A few more anchors on all those single-anchor 20m+ pitches wouldn't go amiss though, especially on the North route, where there are two in sequence with 40m of fresh air inbetween. How long have they been in there? ;)

The earliest rigging guide I have is around 2005 and it hadn't changed since then. My understanding is that double anchors are more important when you have a short distance to the next anchor above. If a single anchor pops with a short distance to the next anchor, then the fall factor with the loop of rope is much much higher than with a long distance between anchors. However, if a single anchor after a long drop would lead to the rope going over a sharp edge, or loose rock, or in to a waterfall if it failed, then it is worth doubling them up. Can't remember what the North Gully route is like in that respect.

Nige Atkins bolted pitches in P8 and I asked him about the names a while ago.
The one that lands from the high level at the base of Idiot's Leap is the Boney Pitch. The one that lands on the sharp corner further down the streamway after the climb over the boulder is the Far Flats Pitch. There are other pitches on Spits with names but I forget those.

Thanks Pete,
That was the the consensus of those in the club, but we were not 100% sure. I didn't know that Nigel had done the bolting originally. It seems that the Far Flats pitch was never named in the topo and over time and redraws the Boney Pitch name drifted across from where it should be to where Far Flats Pitch is. The names will probably go back in for the next revision.
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