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Offline Bob Mehew

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Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« on: June 23, 2020, 01:16:48 pm »
I see that the PM has indicated hotels can reopen from 4 July.  Could I have a couple of volunteers to help me work our way through what has been said so as to produce some advice for clubs with huts on re-opening?  Please PM me.

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2020, 02:01:01 pm »
It also says boarding houses too, which are more-akin to caving huts, so it sounds like caving huts opening would be within the spirit of the law. I think from the rules on pubs they are encouraged to take everyone's name and addresses in case anyone comes down with the virus would be a sensible precaution for huts, something for non-members and members in some clubs do already I believe, normally to chase payment.

So first step would be to have a sign in sheet, with name and address. I am on my lunch break at the moment (just finishing) so not sure I can volunteer for anything due to lack of time, it depends what you want and how much time is needed?

Biggist difficulty is maintaining social distancing when everyone is pissed (that goes for huts too ;) ).
Anything I say is represents my own opinion and not that of a any club/organisation that I am a member of (unless its good of course)

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2020, 02:20:46 pm »
There may be an issue in that not every hut offers room service. Before the formal announcement today it was being suggested that hotels would only able to provide room service meals. I'm not sure if that is in the small print.

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2020, 04:17:17 pm »
The guidance said Specifically said that youth hostel type accomadation with bunk rooms could not open for the time being
He did however specifically say that changing rooms in sporting club premises would remain closed at present. So another delay I suspect.
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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2020, 05:29:02 pm »
Biggist difficulty is maintaining social distancing when everyone is pissed (that goes for huts too ;) ).

Speaks volumes. Reminds me of the quote from overseas observers who described an expeditionary group as a "drinking club with a caving problem". The irony being this was taken as a compliment. Little wonder youth caving, in association with the club scene, is largely dead in the water unless you define youth as over eighteen. 

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2020, 07:20:46 pm »
The guidance said Specifically said that youth hostel type accomadation with bunk rooms could not open for the time being
He did however specifically say that changing rooms in sporting club premises would remain closed at present. So another delay I suspect.

Have you got a link or anything to where this was said please, cheers

update, dont worry watching todays update now

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2020, 07:47:10 pm »
It was from Johnson speach in Parliament this morning.
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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2020, 07:55:39 pm »
I can't see in the speech where it says hostels can't open, just shared facilities have to be cleaned.

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2020, 07:59:48 pm »
'people will be free to stay overnight in self-contained accommodation,

including hotels and bed & breakfasts,

as well as campsites as long as shared facilities are kept clean.'

I cant see any specific mention of hostels or boarding houses as mentioned above

Dont , get me wrong i'm not saying we can or can't, just after sources for these quotes

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2020, 08:25:24 pm »
The guidance said Specifically said that youth hostel type accomadation with bunk rooms could not open for the time being
He did however specifically say that changing rooms in sporting club premises would remain closed at present. So another delay I suspect.
I can find the bit about changing rooms in the PM's statement to parliament.  But I cannot find any reference in the transcript to hostels.  It may be he said it when going off script; if so Hansard will have picked it up. 

I will admit that the chances of hostels being allowed to re-open soon do seem remote if you can't get changed together.

You mentioned guidance - that I cannot trace - can you provide a link?

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2020, 08:45:34 pm »
ITV internet news says hostels are allowed to open in England from the 4th July - The Y H A web site says they are going open some hostels from the 17th July see YHA web site for details of the lengths YHA are going to to try and make it safe as possible.
So why not club huts with reduced numbers ?

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2020, 08:47:27 pm »
the news can say what they like.......


have you read the YHA guidance to what they are doing?? doesnt sound like a cave hut to me

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2020, 08:53:53 pm »
the news can say what they like.......


have you read the YHA guidance to what they are doing?? doesnt sound like a cave hut to me5

Legall speaking, the guidance can say what it likes, it is the underlying laws that we have to follow.
They are often quite different


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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2020, 09:05:04 pm »
maybe so, but also from the Primeministers statement;

'From now on we will ask people to follow guidance on social contact instead of legislation'

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2020, 09:07:40 pm »
YHA say:

keeping communal spaces such as self-catering kitchens, dining areas, laundry facilities, locker rooms, drying rooms and lounges closed for the time being

I wish it was easier to find the true position for caving huts!

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2020, 09:11:47 pm »
I don't disagree, but unlikely to be quite that easy

best source in my mind so far is

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-statement-to-the-house-on-covid-19-23-june-2020

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2020, 09:29:00 pm »
OK so https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-23/what-you-can-and-can-t-do-in-england-from-july-4-as-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-are-eased/ mentions hostels even if the PM did not in his statement.  Hansard at https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-06-23/debates/7E464B41-46ED-4FA9-BAFD-28EC7B3DA230/Covid-19Update does not mention hostels in any of the questions and answers which followed the statement.  I await the guidance material which hopefully will come in a day or two.

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2020, 10:08:55 pm »
Looks to me that some folk are trying to find reasons why caving huts cannot open, rather than finding reasons why they can.  From what I've read it looks like they can as long as various measures are taken to mitigate the spread of the virus.  No real difference in infection risk to many other things that are opening. Probably best to look to other outdoor organisations to see what they advise.

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2020, 10:09:18 pm »
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Boris Johnson did however say shared facilities must be kept very clean.

Hahahahahahah. I want that on a t-shirt ;)

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2020, 10:45:42 pm »
Seems they may all be right - "work remains to be done on how hostels, where there are shared sleeping spaces, can reopen safely, and they will not be ready for 4 July."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/easing-of-lockdown-rules-in-england-whats-reopening-on-4-july

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2020, 10:59:42 pm »
If shared sleeping spaces define a hostel, then that is clearly a reason why they cannot re-open yet - people from different households can't sleep in the same room - unless they're in a relationship. Though that's hardly fair on anyone who might have to use the same sleeping space afterwards. If a hut is only used for kit pickup and drop-off and washing-off kit, then maybe it's possible, but it requires social distancing even then, and there's still the issue of cleaning all the shared surfaces afterwards. Kitchens, showers and toilets get even more difficult. We have enough problems trying to get folks to pitch in cleaning the place in normal times (and I am guilty of that too but usually plead bus reasons!), so getting a Covid-19-compliant finish on kitchen surfaces isn't going to be easy if there's several people coming and going in a day. And it's summer at the moment, which makes everything seem easy.

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2020, 07:39:39 am »
Some huts have opened their tackle stores weeks ago.  Over night use would need to be carefully run and be limited but still possible if there is a will within the club to do so.

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Re: Huts re-opening - not quite yet
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2020, 08:00:15 am »
Looks to me that some folk are trying to find reasons why caving huts cannot open, rather than finding reasons why they can. 
I don't think that is fair.  It has just taken some hours to figure out that a hostle can re-open if it is run like a hotel and not like a hostel.  The detail is not simple.  But given clubs are businesses, it sounds possible.

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