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Offline The Old Ruminator

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Go Caving Now !
« on: September 18, 2020, 08:44:07 am »
Go caving now. You might not have much longer left this winter before the door shuts again.

Yup. I am off today.

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2020, 08:56:16 am »
Yep, tell me about it! Luckily I got two trips planned this weekend, though not the ones I wanted to do. I still want to do Broken finger and Strangle (even just a reccy) but looks like it's not this year at least. But maybe weather and lock down will hold off until at least the weekend afterwards.

If I can't do strangle I will find the nearest swamp and crawl through that for a similar experience from what I heard lol. I do thing I am a little mad to want to do these trips!
« Last Edit: September 18, 2020, 09:07:20 am by Alex »
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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2020, 12:36:56 pm »
Although Porth yr ogof is in Powys, so not affected, the dinas silica mines & will's hole are in Rhondda cynon taff, so currently officially locked down (the border apparently runs along the hepste).

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2020, 12:44:21 pm »
Well the Ease gill situation just got complicated if you are not allowed to socialise in Lancashire. Does that mean you have to ignore each other once in a certain part of the cave system? But caving itself is a sport anyway and if club trip an organised sport so except. It also says in private homes or gardens, a cave is neither. It's so bloody confusing I will just continue caving me thinks, it's not like they can fine you underground, and I don't think we would be breaking the rules either.

It's not good news for club huts and as we know things are going to get worse with the clown posse in charge.
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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2020, 01:15:46 pm »
The Leck Fell road is definitely within Lancaster Borough, fortunately the one to Bull Pot Farm isn't. Interestingly Blackpool has not been included.

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2020, 06:37:05 pm »
Unfortunately there are not many caves in Blackpool!

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2020, 06:43:04 pm »
Caves be where you find 'em.  Get digging, lad!
"That, of course, is the dangerous part about caves:  you don't know how far they go back, sometimes... or what is waiting for you inside."   JRR Tolkein: "The Hobbit"

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2020, 08:03:56 pm »
... Interestingly Blackpool has not been included.

... because the inhabitants of, and visitors to, Blackpool are renowned for their social restraint and sober adherence to regulations.

Personally, I would focus not on what is "allowed", but what is safe and sensible.  The two seem to be drifting further and further apart recently.

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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2020, 08:11:25 pm »
Seems they are taking it home with them to the rest of Lancashire.

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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2020, 09:29:02 pm »
There is a very low adherence to any of the guidance in Blackpool. You only have to watch the schools emptying out in an afternoon. The place is heaving. The lack of care probably extends to actually getting tested if people show symptoms too.

No testing = No Statistics.

I've sent one of our lads from Blackpool to Southport for a test this week (fortunately negative). No local testing available. I imagine a lot of people just aren't bothering.

We will know in a few weeks when the seriously ill arrive at hospital. They're getting prepared. New incoming A&E control room being commissioned now and a temporary morgue extension built. The hospital are organising their own testing, independent of PHE for patients, staff & their immediate families.

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2020, 12:16:28 am »
There's a testing centre only 50m from my place, ironically, but it does seem awfully quiet whenever I walk past. It's not a drive-in one, so clearly for locals only, but I'm a bit baffled why it seems so quiet. I'd quite like a test, if only as it would help me decide what was safe for me to do if I have it but I'm asymptomatic. If up to 60% of infected people don't show symptoms, that means only a minority of infected people get tested even if every one of them does it. Hardly seems practical in a pandemic.

I get the impression that the numbers of tests (and thus the backlogs in processing) are going up precisely for that reason - folks just want to know if they have it or not as they have many contacts to manage (school, relatives, work etc.), and whether they are asymptomatic if they do have it - as at least it makes it clearer who you can hang out with. Nobody, basically. But at least you'd know, instead of hoping you don't.

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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2020, 12:40:16 pm »
Well it turns out that the testing centre round the corner from me will now only accept appointments, though it was accepting walk-ins until last Monday. I'll be strolling past shortly to I'll have a look, but it was still awfully quiet last time I did. I do wonder if there's such a logjam in processing that they're throttling the appointments to allow them to catch up?

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2020, 02:18:13 pm »
The Leck Fell road is definitely within Lancaster Borough, fortunately the one to Bull Pot Farm isn't. Interestingly Blackpool has not been included.
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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2020, 12:18:52 pm »
Well it turns out that the testing centre round the corner from me will now only accept appointments, though it was accepting walk-ins until last Monday. I'll be strolling past shortly to I'll have a look, but it was still awfully quiet last time I did. I do wonder if there's such a logjam in processing that they're throttling the appointments to allow them to catch up?

I think it is difficult to understand the present situation because as well as weak Government communication there are multiple other factors in play. The testing centre east of me has been closed for conversion to a lorry park ready for January. Last week a centre to the west of me was only accepting persons for testing with codes, yet on at least one day people turning up with codes they had been issued with were turned away as they were "the wrong codes" - presumably this is some kind of software problem. I can understand why straight line distances rather than road distances were being used to allocate centres, but is a gross software error not to recognise bodies of water such as the Solent or Irish Sea. Also suggesting some kind of software problem is the suggestion made anecdotally that while people in A are being sent to B, people in B are being sent to A.

It is certainly not an easy situation to deal with, but we don't seem to be dealing with it deftly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-54158100?fbclid=IwAR2evb_10m6Ggs0pIFfjm5QXfugeeo0injr8WLBhxRicGGwBJrkdX3VAn6w

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2020, 01:28:56 pm »
The problem was opening up testing to anyone who felt like it. A large number are getting tests with no symptoms "just in case". I know some who told me so only this morning.

Over 200,000 tests a day is a lot compared to other countries, but it's not millions. It can't be run like this with this technology. Soon huge numbers will be getting colds etc.

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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2020, 02:35:50 pm »
One problem there though is that we've been told that up to 60% of infected people can be asymptomatic, so obviously that's the majority. If only people with symptoms are tested, all the others are just wandering around unknowingly infecting more people. I just met up with a friend who's a teacher, with a partner who's a teacher at another school, and their child is at a different school again - and two teachers at their daughter's school have tested positive even though they didn't have any symptoms - the school paid for the tests privately. So now they have to decide whether to pull their daughter out of her school - but if they do, one of them has to stop teaching to look after her. But if the school hadn't paid for the tests, none of them would have got tested due to no symptoms, and probably infected everyone.

So logically it makes sense for everyone to get tested ASAP - but they can't process that volume, obviously. In the meantime, social distancing and hygiene (and a really boring social life if you're single) is all we have.

Speaking of Blackpool and its 'illuminations' - I can think of all sorts of poetic ironic responses for that description. But this is why I don't feel guilty for calling total strangers stupid - many of the public are so retarded it's staggering to think that they're allowed to get in cars to drive there. Rabbits are smarter than these assholes.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/20/health-official-urges-people-not-to-flock-to-heaving-blackpool-covid

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2020, 06:11:31 pm »
The problem was opening up testing to anyone who felt like it. A large number are getting tests with no symptoms "just in case". I know some who told me so only this morning.

Over 200,000 tests a day is a lot compared to other countries, but it's not millions. It can't be run like this with this technology. Soon huge numbers will be getting colds etc.

It would of course help if the government told the truth about test numbers.

https://fullfact.org/health/question-time-testing-figures/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08rlmn8

If you remove people being retested and people undergoing multiple tests in hospitals we average 82,000 new people being tested each day.

Of these a proportion are antigen tests which say if you have ever had Covid. They don't say if you have it now.

So realistically, each day, around 50,000 Covid diagnostic tests are available to people who haven't previously tested for positive for Covid. Of these some will be wasted due to operator/patent error. If they have to use 2 testing kits on 1 person because it was dropped on the floor it counts as 2 tests.

It would be helpful if the government stopped treating this as a game with false targets and promises. Blaming the general public/parents/teachers is nasty and cowardly. Everyone know this was coming in September, why are we so unprepared.

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2020, 06:57:59 pm »
Fingers crossed for tomorrow. I will be caving.

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2020, 11:06:33 am »
New pics?
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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2020, 07:17:27 pm »
Always pics !

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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2020, 10:03:30 am »
OK. One for Laurie from last Friday. Photo of me by Pete Rose.

snare 1 by Nicholas Chipchase, on Flickr

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Re: Go Caving Now !
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2020, 10:07:48 am »
No caving in Scotland ?? Unless with the wife and kids.

OK here in the UK.

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2020, 04:18:50 pm »
I can understand the effort taken to get out of that huge shake hole old ruminator ;D
You have 2 ladders to climb with different spacing. (Or is it an optical illusion)
I remember oh so clearly climbing up The pitch in hell hole (70ft).  I struggled like hell when the last 25 ft has 12inch spacing compared to the 10 inch spacing of the first 2 ladders. 

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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2020, 07:49:53 pm »
I can understand the effort taken to get out of that huge shake hole old ruminator ;D
You have 2 ladders to climb with different spacing. (Or is it an optical illusion)
I remember oh so clearly climbing up The pitch in hell hole (70ft).  I struggled like hell when the last 25 ft has 12inch spacing compared to the 10 inch spacing of the first 2 ladders.

Blimey! I though only rich people could afford 10" spacing.

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