2009 Big Green Gathering Cancelled

Burt

Burt

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At this rate of paranoia what else could be "cancelled"? just take a moment to think about an event, supposedly non political ,organised by a bunch of strange people who like going places "normal" folk don't......

Then call it Hidden Earth

Move the venue each year


can you see where I'm going! :LOL:
 
cap n chris

cap n chris

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... and there was me thinking that Hidden Earth moves around the country each year because it's often not welcome back at the last hosting venue largely as a result of the oceans of alcohol and associated aftermath!
 
graham

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Given just the details that were posted on here, it would hardly be a surprise if some of the residents neighbouring last year's venue were to complain to the licensing authorities if it was intended to go back this year.
 
whitelackington

whitelackington

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This report is about the G20 protest in London
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8187343.stm

"The IPCC concluded the woman was forcibly pushed by an officer and she was not allowed to leave the area of Bishopsgate for four to five hours to make herself more comfortable with regard to her bleeding.

It found officers used shields to move the crowd backwards, a tactic which has not been approved nationally by senior officers."


"Somebody"
must have instructed the police to use the tactics that they did use, they did not spontaneously remove their shoulder numbers,
then spontaneously start kicking women and spontaneously smashing shields in peoples faces.
Someone is responsible for issuing their orders to behave in the manner they did,
it is not just a case of a rouge officer behaving appallingly, however much the top brass want us to believe.

We may have the government we deserve but we get the policeforce that the government desire.
 
Hughie

Hughie

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Ellie said:
Anyone who has attended any kind of protest and please let's remember that there is (theoretically at least) a public right to protest, will know that police tactics are, if anything, worse than they were twenty years ago.

Dissent of any sort is increasingly not tolerated, and violent tactics on the part of the police more common. Increasingly any gatherings or protests which challenge the status quo are either banned or over policed. 
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So you dont agree with:-
exsumper said:
It's right that freedom means that people should be able to do what they like. Unfortunately there are some that attend these events, that  forget the associated caveat, that freedom to do what you like shouldn't  affect the life freedom, liberty or property of others.
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If people behaved themselves, there wouldn't be anything like as much trouble.
 
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Clive G

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whitelackington said:
This report is about the G20 protest in London
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8187343.stm

"The IPCC concluded the woman was forcibly pushed by an officer and she was not allowed to leave the area of Bishopsgate for four to five hours to make herself more comfortable with regard to her bleeding.

It found officers used shields to move the crowd backwards, a tactic which has not been approved nationally by senior officers."

. . .

We may have the government we deserve but we get the policeforce that the government desire.
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Here's what the Joint Committee on Human Rights (JCHR) has to say about 'kettling':

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news/pa/uknews/2009/07/28/police-criticised-over-kettling.html

[quote author=JCHR]

In its report, "Demonstrating respect for rights" the JCHR said containment should be used for as short a time as is needed and reviewed regularly.

The report said: "In our view it would be a disproportionate and unlawful response to cordon a group of people and operate a blanket ban on individuals leaving the contained area, as this fails to consider whether individual circumstances require a different response."

Police have a "long way to go" before they succeed in promoting and protecting human rights in their training and operations, the report concluded.

It should also be a legal requirement for officers to wear their identification tags, the report concluded.

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The JCHR is made up of MPs and Peers.

Years ago I went to watch Coventry City FC play at home with a couple of friends. We were stood on the raked terrace behind the goal. All of a sudden I found myself being hurtled forwards into the people in front of me and crushed to pieces. The match hadn't even started. When things eased up I turned round to see what had caused the problem and saw a line of police in uniform with their arms interlocked looking pleased with themselves. Apparently this was to show the crowd that the police were present and in control of the situation.

The person above who's waiting for a complaint to be heard must keep on top of it and keep making enquiries. Complaints procedures are designed to wear you down and make you go away, but if you have a valid point, with sufficient evidence to back it up, then the claim should be acknowledged and the appropriate corrective action taken.

In the end it's the system which is at fault and even the police have to conform or their job prospects go out of the window. Only individuals can change the system - often at great personal difficulty and stress. But, if you have the necessary evidence and do nothing about it . . . then things are unlikely to get better of their own accord.

A film accountant I know, who subsequently did the accounts for the films of the Nelson Mandela Concert (April 1990) and Roger Waters' 'The Wall' concert in Berlin (July 1990), found himself in March 1990 sat in his office in Scala Street, London, on the first floor, as the Poll Tax rioters (led by a couple of men in suits with mobile telephones) came round the corner in the street below and proceeded to destroy the windows and ransack the contents of the wine shop immediately below. So, as much as police training and proper attention to human rights needs improving - across the board - a crowd gone berserk, for whatever reason, is also a phenomena to be avoided at all costs. The government and organisers of and participants in demonstrations can all work in their own way towards preventing such outbursts by finding alternative solutions to difficult situations. A recent example would be the government saving major banks from collapse and thereby avoiding many people's life savings evaporating overnight.

 
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Maggot

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As Terry Pratchett put it in one of the Discworld books (Maskerade, I think), "The IQ of a mob is the IQ of its most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters".
 
cap n chris

cap n chris

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Logically, surely, the IQ of a group of people, as the group gets larger, tends ever closer to 100, by definition? If so, that makes Pratchett something of a Prat, does it not?
 
whitelackington

whitelackington

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cap 'n chris said:
Logically, surely, the averaged IQ of a group of people, as the group gets larger, tends ever closer to 100, by definition? If so, that makes Pratchett something of a Prat, does it not?
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I believe the poor man is suffering from Alzheimer's
 
exsumper

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I think logically your wrong there chris, the average doesn't have to get closer to 100 at all. It could even go down. It purely depends on the iq of the people who join the group that the average is calculated from. I also think he was trying to be funny. What was that about a prat?
 
cap n chris

cap n chris

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exsumper said:
I think logically your wrong there chris, the average doesn't have to get closer to 100 at all. It could even go down. It purely depends on the iq of the people who join the group that the average is calculated from.
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The average IQ is 100; therefore if you get the largest group of people (ie the entire population of the world), the average IQ of that huge group is 100. QED.

From this it can easily be seen that, as previously stated, when groups get large(r) the average IQ tends towards 100. Happy to see your logical exposition supporting your counter debate that the average doesn't have to get closer to 100 at all and that perhaps it could even go down.
 
exsumper

exsumper

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Chris the IQ average depends on the type of test and the differentiation, it isnt necessarily 100. Also if you look at research in the latest issue of new scientist, This is suggesting that people who live in warmer climates have smaller brains. This hypothesis is put forward as the explanation for the great leap forward in cognitive thinking in the northern hemisphere.
 
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