Giants hole, mass caving groups

[2xw]

Tbh I blame the pandemic. Lots more folks doing stuff at home - you'll notice lots more mountain bikers nowadays too.

Maybe it'll die down once the cheap flights to Tenerife are back

 

[JoshW]

Reading your post, you don%u2019t actually have any evidence of them doing anything wrong other than in your opinion being underprepared.

You mention graffiti for some reason in the same post, you allege that none of them paid the trespass fee, did you point them in the direction of useful resources like newtocaving website?

What i am saying is i imagine they didnt pay because they most likely didnt know they had too, but this is bound to cause friction with the landowner is it not?.
I am not implying that these particular people have desecrated the cave but it has happened twice recently so it is a growing problem.
As has been said on here, this is the way a lot of people get into caving with a little curiosity that grows into a passion and a hobby, and its great that people are getting out and about, but it is bound to cause problems, as it is in the bothies in scotland where some have been trashed due to party revellers, obviously this is only the minority that behave in this way

But you have literally no evidence for them not knowing whether they had to pay a trespass fee? did you ask them? You can't slate people for not having the knowledge of what to do, when you don't provide that knowledge when you have the chance.

 

[adep]

Reading your post, you don%u2019t actually have any evidence of them doing anything wrong other than in your opinion being underprepared.

You mention graffiti for some reason in the same post, you allege that none of them paid the trespass fee, did you point them in the direction of useful resources like newtocaving website?

What i am saying is i imagine they didnt pay because they most likely didnt know they had too, but this is bound to cause friction with the landowner is it not?.
I am not implying that these particular people have desecrated the cave but it has happened twice recently so it is a growing problem.
As has been said on here, this is the way a lot of people get into caving with a little curiosity that grows into a passion and a hobby, and its great that people are getting out and about, but it is bound to cause problems, as it is in the bothies in scotland where some have been trashed due to party revellers, obviously this is only the minority that behave in this way

But you have literally no evidence for them not knowing whether they had to pay a trespass fee? did you ask them? You can't slate people for not having the knowledge of what to do, when you don't provide that knowledge when you have the chance.

Not slating anyone, i said i imagine they didnt pay, as there is no notice to tell them, so yes not there fault perhaps

 

[pwhole]

A safe full of cash stood on a pole in a field is not an access policy. That's the trouble with Giants, and everything that happens there is as a result of this attitude, including the occasional smash-and-grab raid. If they don't know they have to pay it's because there's nobody there to tell them. Put a sign on the top gate like Southfork Ranch, saying 'Admittance ?3', and it might work. As I've pointed out before, this doesn't happen at Rowter Farm, because you actually have to interact with the landowners, put the money in their hands and have a conversation - and they're good people who work their asses off. So if I see them out and about in Castleton, they wave to me, because they know me. That's the difference.

Next summer, if numbers are as high as this, it would make perfect economic sense to pay someone to sit there at a kiosk and take admission fees - and maybe sell ice-creams. Who knows, the landowner might actually show up occasionally to see how his land is doing, seeing as volunteers usually do most of his work for him.

 

[langcliffe]

We once met a group of young ladies going the other way dressed in cycling shorts, t-shirts, and cycling helmets in the Roof Tunnel in Valley Entrance of KMC, each clutching a torch. We commended them on their sense of adventure, warned them about the pitch at the end, and moved on delighted that there are still some people with initiative around.