Andyj23UK said:i has looked at the pics - and read the thread - but still unsure EXACTLY where these are - and what they are supposed to achieve
access to the " hi level traverse " - is NOT hard .
Cap'n Chris said:The people who aren't impressed with the efforts should avert their eyes and carry on caving without recourse to them.
Removing them might also be considered the start of a slippery slope, without investing some serious time in finding out who put them there and to what end. THEN decide what to do, having had a civilised debate with all interested parties.MarkS said:Cap'n Chris said:The people who aren't impressed with the efforts should avert their eyes and carry on caving without recourse to them.
That sounds like a slippery slope. I think they should be removed unless a seriously good justification can be put forward for them to remain.
Cave_Troll said:are the metal steps in wall still there in Old Ing/Dismal Hill ?
langcliffe said:Andyj23UK said:i has looked at the pics - and read the thread - but still unsure EXACTLY where these are - and what they are supposed to achieve
access to the " hi level traverse " - is NOT hard .
They are a little way downstream from where the traverse crosses the passage. They are definitely not meant to facilitate access to the high level traverse. I suspect that they are intended to make one section easier.
BradW said:Removing them might also be considered the start of a slippery slope, without investing some serious time in finding out who put them there and to what end. THEN decide what to do, having had a civilised debate with all interested parties.
Cave_Troll said:are the metal steps in wall still there in Old Ing/Dismal Hill ?
These certainly are not sanction by CRO. The Cave Rescue Organisation did not install them.fillipe_ferlop said:As a member of the 'obvious recue team', and a member of the Ops group for said team, I can tell you that any permanent rigging or aids we fit are always done in consultation with CNCC or, above ground, the BMC and other interested parties. These steps have never been discussed or sanctioned by the teams Ops group.
On some rescues, we need to rig extra hangers or bolts, which are then either made good or referred to CNCC to see if they will allow them to remain.
Believe it or not, we do try not to damage the cave environment.