Y-hang

[cavemanmike]

No, but I've got a little doodah for taking stones out of horses hooves, would that come in handy? 🤣

Or is it for taking Boy Scouts out of horses hooves 😬😬😬

 

[badger]

Having a rebelay below will limit the drop to a couple of metres too. All these reduce the risk, but don't eliminate it. I used bowline on the bight for decades and still would with an expert team, but a fusion is almost identical in speed to tie adjust and dress, with just another turn in the rope to make. Easier to use another knot that doesn't have the risk at all than be explaining to a coroner why you tied it and some one else hit the ground.

Nigel Ball did tests with a fushion knot, he got it to slip if only clipped into one loop!!!, I have tried getting the BoB to slip clipping in one loop, I have never managed it, Pete Knight has managed to get the BoB to slip, but pretty sure his verdict, its pretty hard to do.
At LCMLA & CIC level {the ones I have had training and Core Skills with} they are happy if you rig using BoB.
Anybody rigging should Rig with what ever knot they are most comfortable with, BoB is fine, as is a fushion or a fig 8 bunny ears. All knots should be dressed correctly, and is pure sloppy rigging for those that don't, we talking a second to dress it, as is tying the knot approx. the right place so you don't spend time fannying about adjusting it

 

[wellyjen]

Nigel Ball did tests with a fushion knot, he got it to slip if only clipped into one loop!!!

Is there a reference for that? Would be interested to read/see.

 

[Fulk]

cavemanlike:

No, but I've got a little doodah for taking stones out of horses hooves, would that come in handy? 🤣

Or is it for taking Boy Scouts out of horses hooves 😬😬😬

More likely for taking Boy Scouts out of Girl Guides.

 

[cavemanmike]

cavemanlike:

More likely for taking Boy Scouts out of Girl Guides.

In this 21 century world it could just as easily be taking a girl guide out of a Boy Scout.

 

[badger]

Is there a reference for that? Would be interested to read/see.

Not sure, it was in conversation with Nigel, and sadly can no longer ask him. He did also show me a BoB with an extra turn. Which he claimed did not slip on tests.
Like I have said I have played around trying to get a BoB to slip and have failed. Although I have seen it slip in a video. However I believe if dressed and weighted the chance of this happening are almost non existent.
I personally shall still use BoB. It's what I am comfortable with.
Pete Knight might have or tested the fushion knot.

 

[Babyhagrid]

I've had a badly dressed BOB slip a bit on me. Was quite stressful and a good reminder to always tighten and dress the knots.

 

[JoshW]

. He did also show me a BoB with an extra turn. Which he claimed did not slip on tests.

surely a bowline on the bight with an extra turn is just a fusion knot 🤔

 

[wellyjen]

surely a bowline on the bight with an extra turn is just a fusion knot 🤔

In the same way that a figure 8 on the bight is an overhand knot on the bight with an extra turn. Puts in a bit more resistance to the rope pulling through. You can turn an overhand on the bight in to a bowline on the bight in the same way as you turn a figure 8 on the bight in to a fusion knot.

 

[Tangent_tracker]

I used to carry a knife just like this when I was very young (10 or 11 perhaps). How things have changed!. It fell out of my jeans pocket one day and I was never able to find it. I found a replacement not so long agoView attachment 16667

Ooh what is this?

**It's ok found one, it's a sailer's knife it seems!

 

[alanw]

Ooh what is this?

**It's ok found one, it's a sailer's knife it seems!

This is the one I bought

Frost Cutlery UK EDC Seamans Boat Knife

Introducing the Frost Cutlery OC-02B, a high-quality folding knife designed for everyday use. With its durable construction and sharp blade, this knife is perfect for outdoor activities and everyday tasks. 2.

www.cyclaireshop.co.uk

 

[andrewmcleod]

I find the spur on a Freino makes a useful marlinspike.

I tend to take all the knots out of rope as I derig (I usually have time). Consequently I tend to only use knots that I know will easily and immediately come undone even in my 9mm rope - fusions for Y hangs, bowlines on the bight for single bolt rebelays, Alpine butterflies on traverses. I will even use a bowline on the bight on any traverse knot that might get extra pulling load (e.g. one at the top of a sloping traverse).

 

[badger]

surely a bowline on the bight with an extra turn is just a fusion knot 🤔

No. Fushion you start with a fig 8 on a bight.
This extra turn makes the knot like a normal BoB. I would have to show you.

 

[langcliffe]

I tend to use fusions for single bolts and close Y-hangs. It's very easy to untie, and it's excellent for clipping into.

 

[Loki]

Fusion knot is a new one on me, I’ll have to perform some evaluation!

 

[Tangent_tracker]

Fusion knot is a new one on me, I’ll have to perform some evaluation!

Dead simple, if you tie a bowline on the byte you can very quickly convert to Fusion in a similar way you can quickly convert to bunny ears. Instead of using the loop you use the lower two ropes of the knot and the loop comes over to create the bind (for want of a better word!).

 

[JoshW]

Dead simple, if you tie a bowline on the byte you can very quickly convert to Fusion in a similar way you can quickly convert to bunny ears. Instead of using the loop you use the lower two ropes of the knot and the loop comes over to create the bind (for want of a better word!).

Clear as mud

 

[ChrisB]

A fusion is tied the same way as a bowline on the bight, except you start with a figure of eight instead of an overhand.

 

[Cantclimbtom]

Clear as mud

I had no idea what it meant... until.... I watched this

then it made sense

 

[wellyjen]

I had no idea what it meant... until.... I watched this

then it made sense

Never mind the knot, where can I get those anchors you just stick on to the wall wherever you want them? 😃