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Offline JoW

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Cameras for videoing?
« on: November 27, 2018, 12:38:38 pm »
Hello everyone,

I've seen some great videos recently which is making me think about giving it a go, but I'm just wondering what cameras people are using? I couldn't find a recent thread about it so thought I'd ask. I've got an Olympus tg4 which takes good stills but I don't know about its video capabilities - does anyone use this or would I need something more specialised for video?

Any pointers welcome :)

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2018, 12:57:49 pm »
I think it will be OK, this was filmed with a TG4, plenty of light is the key, I used my Roy Fellows MagnumStar - Underground bit starts at 7:14;


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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2018, 01:58:29 pm »
I haven't done anything serious but the TG-4 does seem to give reasonable results with video. The sound of the zoom being used is distinctly audible so best not to use it while shooting.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2018, 02:01:47 pm »
Yes, sound in general isn't the best on the TG4, always seem to get a bit of background hiss.....

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2018, 02:54:05 pm »
Great, thanks! Sounds like I should give it a go with my tg4 and see how it goes :)

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2018, 04:42:08 pm »
Everyone I know uses a go pro. It works quite well

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2018, 06:25:23 pm »
I have a TG4, but windows will not recognise the video files or I'm doing something wrong. But it is a great camera for stills.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2018, 06:38:00 pm »
I have a TG4, but windows will not recognise the video files or I'm doing something wrong. But it is a great camera for stills.

what's the filetype of the videos?

check out VLC player - free download, almost guarantee it will play whatever file type is coming out of the camera.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2018, 09:39:19 pm »
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I've seen some great videos recently
None of mine then.

Sorry I can't advise on the suitability of the TG4 but in my opinion almost any camera will do the job. What is much more important is the lighting you use and good video lighting can cost more than the camera. I use Fenix FD65 rotary focusing torches and they are superb. I've just purchased a fourth one. There's a review video of them on my YouTube channel. However getting good well-exposed footage is only a small part of producing a quality video. To quote Chris Binding, "The main thing to emphasise is the massive importance, and the implied magic therefrom, of EDITING, EDITING, EDITING. There are loads of people taking video footage on caving trips nowadays but because their editing sucks big-time the resulting film(s) aren't watchable."

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2018, 10:03:11 pm »
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I've seen some great videos recently
None of mine then.

Sorry I can't advise on the suitability of the TG4 but in my opinion almost any camera will do the job. What is much more important is the lighting you use and good video lighting can cost more than the camera. I use Fenix FD65 rotary focusing torches and they are superb. I've just purchased a fourth one. There's a review video of them on my YouTube channel. However getting good well-exposed footage is only a small part of producing a quality video. To quote Chris Binding, "The main thing to emphasise is the massive importance, and the implied magic therefrom, of EDITING, EDITING, EDITING. There are loads of people taking video footage on caving trips nowadays but because their editing sucks big-time the resulting film(s) aren't watchable."

Keith

With the correct lighting, I was able to put a semi-decent video together using an iPhone SE.

Keith is spot on the editing is 99% of a video, and keeping it slick and attention grabbing is key. My main issue i've tended to have is that of audio. I think Keith has mentioned previously that he actually uses his phone to record the audio and then syncs it later (did I hear that correct - it was at Hidden Earth on the Sunday morning so chances are I was still very drunk!)

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2018, 10:19:44 pm »
To quote Chris, "The main thing to emphasise is the massive importance, and the implied magic therefrom, of EDITING, EDITING, EDITING. There are loads of people taking video footage on caving trips nowadays but because their editing sucks big-time the resulting film(s) aren't watchable."

Keith

Pretty sure I was way more blunt than that, but thanks for the props, No.1.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2018, 09:10:59 am »
I have a TG4, but windows will not recognise the video files or I'm doing something wrong. But it is a great camera for stills.

what's the filetype of the videos?

check out VLC player - free download, almost guarantee it will play whatever file type is coming out of the camera.

The TG4 saves a .MOV file type. I had issues getting Windows Media Player to play these, but after an update, it works fine now.
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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2018, 09:22:19 am »
I have a TG4, but windows will not recognise the video files or I'm doing something wrong. But it is a great camera for stills.

what's the filetype of the videos?

check out VLC player - free download, almost guarantee it will play whatever file type is coming out of the camera.

The TG4 saves a .MOV file type. I had issues getting Windows Media Player to play these, but after an update, it works fine now.

You can export them to mp4 from the Olympus Viewer software.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2018, 10:06:17 am »
With the correct lighting, I was able to put a semi-decent video together using an iPhone SE.

Keith is spot on the editing is 99% of a video, and keeping it slick and attention grabbing is key. My main issue i've tended to have is that of audio. I think Keith has mentioned previously that he actually uses his phone to record the audio and then syncs it later (did I hear that correct - it was at Hidden Earth on the Sunday morning so chances are I was still very drunk!)

Yes, I have used my iPhone as a mobile recording studio and have been very pleased with the results. In an attempt to try and improve sound even further I've recently purchased a Tascam DR-05 sound recorder, but I haven't had chance to try it out yet.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2018, 04:48:38 pm »
To quote Chris, "The main thing to emphasise is the massive importance, and the implied magic therefrom, of EDITING, EDITING, EDITING. There are loads of people taking video footage on caving trips nowadays but because their editing sucks big-time the resulting film(s) aren't watchable."

Keith

Pretty sure I was way more blunt than that, but thanks for the props, No.1.

Yes, I can see that good editing is pretty crucial, although I'll have to create some passable video to edit before I get to worrying about that bit!

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2018, 10:57:55 am »
With the correct lighting, I was able to put a semi-decent video together using an iPhone SE.

Keith is spot on the editing is 99% of a video, and keeping it slick and attention grabbing is key. My main issue i've tended to have is that of audio. I think Keith has mentioned previously that he actually uses his phone to record the audio and then syncs it later (did I hear that correct - it was at Hidden Earth on the Sunday morning so chances are I was still very drunk!)

Yes, I have used my iPhone as a mobile recording studio and have been very pleased with the results. In an attempt to try and improve sound even further I've recently purchased a Tascam DR-05 sound recorder, but I haven't had chance to try it out yet.

That looks like a handy bit of kit, will be interested to hear how it fares underground  :thumbsup:

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2018, 12:07:29 pm »
That looks like a handy bit of kit, will be interested to hear how it fares underground  :thumbsup:
I will be trying out in the studio initially to record voiceovers.
I will venture underground with it in the new year as the projects I have in mind will need me to do pieces to camera. The sound on my Panasonic Lumix GX7 is very good but not as good as the Tascam. Also I will be able to place the Tascam nearer to me than the camera. I've often recorded scenes on two cameras, the Lumix and my GoPro so that I can cut between them but I only use the sound from the Lumix to give consistent levels.
I do now want to improve the sound in my videos. In Keith's Cavers () getting the sound right was the biggest challenge by far. The dialogue had got to be audible and distinguishable when played in the conference hall for the video to have any chance of success. I think I got it just about right, but it took countless hours of behind the scenes work. The biggest challenge in this video was recording sound in the cave environment. Caves do not have the best acoustics anyway with lots of echo in the larger spaces. Add into the mix the rustling of cordura caving suits and the horrible scraping sound they produce when rubbing against a cave wall and you will understand why the mixing took so long. Much of the audio was recorded, not on the camera, but on my mobile recording studio - my iPhone. The telephone sequences were mainly recorded in my studio aka the front bedroom on the iPhone using an external iQ5 Zoom microphone. The video utilises a number of audio special effects. The most noticeable is the telephone effect but the voice enhancement effect was also extensively utilised.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2018, 02:47:02 pm »
I think footleg/sid use zoom audio recorders. I started to research about it and realised I should better my techniques before spending more money..

on the subject of spending more money, DJI have just realised their osmo pocket that looks a handy piece of kit (once combined with the waterproof housing..

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2018, 01:00:35 am »
One of the big things with sound is to get whatever mic you're using as close as possible to the subject. The dr-05 is a great bit of kit, it even has a 1/4 inch thread of it so you can stick it on a selfie stick and hold it above the camera sight line to get it even closer.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2018, 01:15:24 am »
Zoom H1's are also pretty good. Put a dead cat on the end of whatever you use though. Keeps the noise down.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2018, 11:08:39 am »
My wife uses a TG4 underwater and took a lovely video of a seahorse. I keep trying to persuade the OR to use his TG4 for video underground but he says it is too complicated  :shrug: which baffles me as you only have to press the red button! Sound quality is the big problem. I showed something recently taken with an Olympus EP and there is a strange purring noise accompanying the whole thing. My next purchase will have to a mike I think. Paul Taylor recommended something called a Zoom.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2018, 11:23:24 am »
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I showed something recently taken with an Olympus EP and there is a strange purring noise accompanying the whole thing.

Was it a video of a cat? The internet seems to be full of them......   :lol:

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2018, 04:05:35 pm »
On the subject of spending more money, DJI have just realised their osmo pocket that looks a handy piece of kit (once combined with the waterproof housing).
Has anyone got one of these? I've just checked out the specification and it does look very interesting. I'd love to see some underground footage taken with it. If Santa is very kind to me I may have to do a review video.

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2018, 09:37:18 pm »
Hi jacking the thread slightly, what do you guys use for editing?

I have a few projects I want to have a go at and wondered if the extra £3 a month (student offer) for Adobe premier is worth the coin over alternatives

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Re: Cameras for videoing?
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2018, 12:18:54 am »
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Hi jacking the thread slightly, what do you guys use for editing?

I have a few projects I want to have a go at and wondered if the extra £3 a month (student offer) for Adobe premier is worth the coin over alternatives
Spooky, I've recently downloaded BlackMagic DaVinci Resolve. It's free. Have to scroll right down to the bottom of the page to get the free stuff. I don't like being tied in to the subscription stuff. Have to have a proper play to investigate further, but it it looks rather smart.  They also make decent cameras etc. that you can stick micro 4/3 lenses on (e.g.Olympus, Panasonic, Voightlander)
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