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Offline David Rose

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One really important question remains unanswered
« on: November 07, 2020, 05:44:58 pm »
What does the victory of President-elect Joe Biden mean for cavers?


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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2020, 06:08:05 pm »
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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2020, 06:09:02 pm »
What does the victory of President-elect Joe Biden mean for cavers?

Well this caver is delighted. So in the short term, a hangover 🍾.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2020, 06:25:25 pm »
Ditto that boy.
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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2020, 06:31:48 pm »
Bidens Irish American roots, strongly held, mean if Boris breaks the GFA a trade deal with America is much more difficult. Consequently, a deal is reached with the EU that doesn't break the GFA (no deal is off the table) - a fresh BCA, now comfortable with lobbying, manages to convince the negotiators to levy a tariff on the import of foreign made caving equipment. A new cottage industry arises, an explosion of British made equipment all coming from the man who has been planning this for years: Tony Seddon. Now fabulously wealthy in the style of Mansa Musa, he buys Ogof Draenan, renames it Ogof yr Afon Ddim Seren and digs 28 new entrances. He then goes on to buy most other caves, rendering the Crow debate entirely useless, and sets up a new retirement home for cavers to to argue endlessly about lamps, run by NAMHO.

Caving historians will create tomes of literature linking these events directly to the vote share in Sullivan, PA and that time Trump called some soldiers suckers and losers

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2020, 06:44:59 pm »
Caver or not, it probably means we can all sleep easier in our beds, as the clown presently in control of America's nuclear arsenal will be kicked out soon.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2020, 07:01:46 pm »
. . . and sincere congratulations to Kamala Harris, for whom I'm particularly pleased.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2020, 07:05:52 pm »
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t probably means we can all sleep easier in our beds, as the clown presently in control of America's nuclear arsenal will be kicked out soon.
He has still got until  20th January to find out what that red button does, then Biden has to clean up the mess. I would not put this past him.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2020, 07:24:28 pm »
Now you've got me worried again.    :(

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2020, 07:35:32 pm »
I get the impression from the noises coming out of the Republican party that once they realise their legal challenges are bust they'll contrive some sort of misfortune to sort it out. Perhaps a stumbling accident in the bedroom with Melania and a large, heavy satin pillow. She needs a break and a new career - maybe she could present the next series of Bake-Off? Or maybe a loose stair-carpet rail could be loosened some more. There's always good old apoplexy for self-deliverance. Somewhat in the vein of a HM Bateman cartoon.

As for Biden, he certainly doesn't approve of Brexit, so I think that's going to be the next bit of chaos as far as we're concerned. We have been their 'gatekeeper' to the EU, but we won't be now, and our diminished stature in that regard will be hard to disguise meaningfully. His loyalties to the Irish will also load the dice against us even further with the GFA. I write 'us' rhetorically, as I had nothing to do with any of that crock o shit.

As for caving, well - I'm sure we can find something to have an argument about. BS Standards having to be applied to chest ascenders instead of CE marks? Chlorinated elbow pads? Agreed that Tony Seddon will probably end up ruling over everyone, but we've had far worse.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2020, 07:56:22 pm »
Bidens Irish American roots, strongly held, mean if Boris breaks the GFA a trade deal with America is much more difficult. Consequently, a deal is reached with the EU that doesn't break the GFA (no deal is off the table) - a fresh BCA, now comfortable with lobbying, manages to convince the negotiators to levy a tariff on the import of foreign made caving equipment. A new cottage industry arises, an explosion of British made equipment all coming from the man who has been planning this for years: Tony Seddon. Now fabulously wealthy in the style of Mansa Musa, he buys Ogof Draenan, renames it Ogof yr Afon Ddim Seren and digs 28 new entrances. He then goes on to buy most other caves, rendering the Crow debate entirely useless, and sets up a new retirement home for cavers to to argue endlessly about lamps, run by NAMHO.

Caving historians will create tomes of literature linking these events directly to the vote share in Sullivan, PA and that time Trump called some soldiers suckers and losers

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2020, 08:33:05 pm »
... , he buys Ogof Draenan, renames it Ogof yr Afon Ddim Seren
  Wonderful!

No need to dig 28 new entrances....


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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2020, 08:51:38 pm »
But (looking on the bright side) the most likely outcome is that Joe's old age finally catches up with him and, hey presto, the US of A gets its first female, black president!
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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2020, 09:08:32 pm »
My gut feeling is that Biden never intended to do more than one term, and will hand over to Harris to run for the next one. He's done the thing that needed to be done...
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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2020, 09:21:18 pm »
Oh, what deep joy to see the Orange Moron given the boot!


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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2020, 10:03:22 pm »
The Republican's new anthem:




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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2020, 10:05:57 pm »
I guess there will be less demand for bleach now.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2020, 10:35:59 pm »
... , he buys Ogof Draenan, renames it Ogof yr Afon Ddim Seren
  Wonderful!

No need to dig 28 new entrances....

"Cave of the river not star"?  I get your drift, but what you meant is "Ogof yr Afon Ddi-Seren" and half a dozen more well spread out entrances is more than sufficient surely?







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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2020, 11:34:15 pm »
My brother-in-law, a registered Republican, voted for Biden. Trump shouldn't have dissed John McCain. Lost him the election pretty much there. What a child.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2020, 12:53:45 am »
Politics doesn't really come into it really. It's an ego where everything is collapsing around it.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2020, 08:12:49 am »
But (looking on the bright side) the most likely outcome is that Joe's old age finally catches up with him and, hey presto, the US of A gets its first female, black president!

At 78 his remaining life expectancy is around 10 years. So the most likely outcome is that he'll live long enough to see out two terms. He's only 4 years older  than the previous incumbency, and around 15 years younger than David Attenborough.

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2020, 08:54:43 am »
May I have some of what Mr Seddon is on please  :beer2:

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2020, 09:03:36 am »
... , he buys Ogof Draenan, renames it Ogof yr Afon Ddim Seren
  Wonderful!

No need to dig 28 new entrances....

"Cave of the river not star"?  I get your drift, but what you meant is "Ogof yr Afon Ddi-Seren" and half a dozen more well spread out entrances is more than sufficient surely?

No doubt 2xw will comment in due course but "no star" still sort of works.

Welsh - a language in which Gogs and Hwntws can argue about a cup of tea, as my late wife (she could not speak English until she was 11) pointed out to me.

On a more serious point, the "half a dozen more well spread out entrances " relate to entrances to the presently known cave and judging from how high feelings sometimes run are clearly not enough. Any number of entrances in the high twenties must include access points to parts of the Greater Draenen system not yet connected to the cave now known as Ogof Draenen.

Some are only accessible to invertebrates.


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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2020, 11:14:57 am »
I'm a Lancastrian learning some Welsh and I did that without Google translate, so I'll take it!

Back to Trump, I too am very glad. If not because of their policies (which are too right wing for me anyways...) but because it feels like the introduction of some much needed decorum.


Maybe (hopefully?) our current government will have less examples to hide behind when they undertake their rampant efforts at corruption (maybe I wouldn't mind so much if they were a bit more competent in hiding it...)

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Re: One really important question remains unanswered
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2020, 12:16:09 pm »
I'm a Lancastrian learning some Welsh and I did that without Google translate, so I'll take it!

Back to Trump, I too am very glad. If not because of their policies (which are too right wing for me anyways...) but because it feels like the introduction of some much needed decorum.


Maybe (hopefully?) our current government will have less examples to hide behind when they undertake their rampant efforts at corruption (maybe I wouldn't mind so much if they were a bit more competent in hiding it...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

If you think the UK is corrupt you have little experience of the world.

 

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