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Political Balance
« on: March 30, 2021, 08:09:52 pm »
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I think you ought to stop reading The Guardian. It is clearly warping your sense of reality.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2021, 09:20:26 pm »
My opinions on covid have been formed from a wide variety of sources, including family members in the health service, and I'm very much in agreement with what's been said in that review. So what's "clearly" warping my sense of reality?
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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2021, 09:56:24 pm »
I am referring to Phil's frequency of quoting from The Guardian. He ought to quote from The Daily Mail as well for a bit of balance.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2021, 10:05:17 pm »
I am referring to Phil's frequency of quoting from The Guardian. He ought to quote from The Daily Mail as well for a bit of balance.

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The Daily Mail and balance in the same sentence. Oh, the irony...
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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2021, 10:58:18 pm »
I am referring to Phil's frequency of quoting from The Guardian. He ought to quote from The Daily Mail as well for a bit of balance.

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I notice that the Daily Mail have at last dropped their 'all grown up' strapline when referrring to a female child star that has 'come of age'. So maybe, even the Daily Mail has gone 'woke' ? Or maybe Rothermere realised that the writing was on the wall.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2021, 11:02:13 pm »
OTOH, tonight's online edition does have a series of photos of someone called Lottie Moss (no, me neither) which would not appear on the BBC until after 9pm, so maybe they've not gone 'woke'. 

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2021, 12:06:44 am »
The only reason I quote The Guardian so often is because they don't operate behind a paywall, and so everyone can read the article. It doesn't mean I agree with everything they write, and frankly some of their guff really annoys me, but at least they let non-subscribers read the damn thing. I declare that I do contribute financially occasionally as I appreciate their publishing model (and they have a soul), but I can't afford much. If I could afford The Times as well I would, but they want £26 a month just for online access.

As for the Daily Mail as balance, are you really serious? Twenty pages of right-wing bollocks, followed by twenty pages on how your new wife can make her new hair match the new wardrobe (again), then twenty pages on financial investments, garden furniture and care home reviews followed by twenty pages of stultifying sport. Every day. And they definitely don't have a soul.

Plenty of tits on the website though, and they're free! As Dave Nice once said: "Good, clean, family fun. Alright?" ;)

Lottie showed off her every inch of her incredible figure in the plunging sheer red bra and matching thong bottoms as she posed on the bonnet of a vintage car.

The fashion star brandished a fake firearm in the titillating images as she flipped to reveal the lingerie's thong bottoms.


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The star appeared keen to disprove any suggestion that her career has hit 'rock bottom' by giving fans a guided tour of the huge home she shares with Sahara Ray.   

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2021, 01:29:15 am »
Sorry to sideline the important Lottie news, but just coming in: 'Drinking WINE five or more times a week can slash your risk of needing eye cataract surgery by up to 23%, study finds'. I won't paste a click bait link, take it as read.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2021, 06:43:54 am »
I am referring to Phil's frequency of quoting from The Guardian. He ought to quote from The Daily Mail as well for a bit of balance.

Chris.

The Daily Mail and balance in the same sentence. Oh, the irony...

You miss my point. The Daily Mail is not balanced. Neither is The Guardian. They are equal and opposite. But by counterpointing the two, you will get balance.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2021, 06:47:16 am »
Twenty pages of right-wing bollocks, followed by twenty pages on how your new wife can make her new hair match the new wardrobe (again), then twenty pages on financial investments, garden furniture and care home reviews followed by twenty pages of stultifying sport. Every day. And they definitely don't have a soul.

Of course it's right wing bollocks. To balance the 20 pages of left wing bollocks in The Guardian. If you only ever read one publication, you are definitely going to form a one-sided world view.

The Daily Mail know themselves that the 'sidebar of shame' is just eye candy to draw in the punters - it is why it remains both free and wildly popular. It supports the first class journalism from the likes of David Rose.

I also think The Daily Mail knows it is not to be taken seriously, unlike The Guardian which considers itself the Source Of All Truth.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2021, 06:58:19 am »
All newspapers are bollocks Boris knows best  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2021, 07:52:40 am »
... who used to write for the torygraph & edited the spectator

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2021, 08:02:06 am »
Very true !

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2021, 08:49:32 am »
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Sorry to sideline the important Lottie news, but just coming in: 'Drinking WINE five or more times a week can slash your risk of needing eye cataract surgery by up to 23%, study finds'.

Aww, gee, I only drink wine 4 days a week; is  that why I needed two cataract operations?

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2021, 09:04:09 am »
Did they combine that with a special offer?

(Lottie is the much younger sister of Kate Moss - she's young enough to comfortably be her daughter)

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2021, 09:13:41 am »
I also think The Daily Mail knows it is not to be taken seriously, unlike The Guardian which considers itself the Source Of All Truth.

Very true. I started reading the Daily Mail on a tea break at work as some of the other lads in the office do; I soon realised that they don't read it for an impartial world-view, but for a good laugh! While there is some serious news and some decent journalism (at times), a lot of it is pretty shoddy, but it's really entertaining. As Chris says, it doesn't take itself too seriously and you can have a good laugh. The comments section can be priceless  :lol:

Also, FYI. If you use the Mail Online mobile App, the "sidebar of shame" is in a different tab, where you don't see it unless you were to deliberately choose to.  :thumbsup:


Personally, I'm very sceptical of any news source that claims to be impartial; there is no such thing. The only way to form an impartial view is to read from a wide variety of different sources, including opinions you disagree with and eventually, you will arrive at something close to truth. But that's obviously harder work than just accepting the opinion of one particular publication...

Other than that, if you want quality journalism, you usually have to pay for it.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2021, 09:20:40 am »
Clearly CJc has never really read the Guardian. I have been reading since I was schoolboy. He mightb e interested to know that Tory politicians frequently submit opinion articles - hardly left bollocks. I don't agree with everything I read but at least it is preparared to publish controversial articles. It's the only paper I read where it publishes letters declaring the readers are openly critical of the editorial stance to the point of refusing to subscribe further. It has no axe to grind being run by an independent trust.

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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2021, 09:35:45 am »
Leaving aside political bias, how can you possibly suggest The Mail & The Guardian are comparable in any way? If you're attempting to make journalistic comparisons, maybe The Telegraph at least doesn't insult your intelligence in the way The Mail does.

I certainly don't suck up The Guardian's opinion on everything they publish, but at least it makes an attempt to give a balanced view. Having read their take on the latest news, it's an education to glance at the way The Mail handles the same story.
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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2021, 09:40:25 am »
PS, when I'm desperate to read a Daily Mail headline to outrage and inflame, I tend to use this handy facility to sate my needs -
http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2021, 09:50:53 am »
If I buy a newspaper it tends to be the i. Occasionally the Guardian and the Metro (because it's free in many places). Mostly I read news via the Google news link on the Google home page where you do get a variety of sources. I used to read the Guardian but I got fed up with the champagne socialism, eg. all the lifestyle bits are for people with a disposable income well over 50k.
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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2021, 10:15:28 am »
My take on it is that you get factual reporting from the Guardian, but a lot of articles are indeed to the left, hence the take on a general bias which is probably unfounded. The big blot on the copybook of the The Mail was giving a platform to that appealing woman Katy Hopkins.

Now if your really want journalism representing left wing bollacks, forget The Guardian, The Mirror really takes the biscuit. So looking for extreme opposites, I would pair The Mail with The Mirror.
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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2021, 10:48:22 am »
I do understand the need for balance, and it's only The Mail (oh, and the Express) that I consider unworthy of my attention, but they blew their chances with me decades ago. To be honest, the only printed paper I actually buy regularly is 'i', and for the money, size and the quality of journalism it's hard to beat - perfect lunchtime/journey length, no obvious bias (they really do feature cross-spectrum writers) and it's only 65p. They've even stopped printing Rachel Johnson's half-hearted defences of her, erm 'sibling', let's call him, and I didn't even send the email in the end - I think they felt the negative energy all the way from there. I think she may currently be washing Stanley's feet in Northern Cyprus, or wherever his 'base' is these days.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2021, 10:55:06 am »
I would pair The Mail with The Mirror.

You will struggle to  find any real news in either the Mail or the Mirror. The only places you can find real news in UK newspapers these days is in the Grauniad, the Telegraph and maybe the FT.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2021, 01:17:31 pm »
The big blot on the copybook of the The Mail was giving a platform to that appealing woman Katy Hopkins.

I hope that's a typo there Roy
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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2021, 01:38:11 pm »
I rather like reading the headlines from the various news sources that you can see if you click on Google News.

Today, we have this scoop from that paragon of decent news, The Mail - “Woman, 24, carries water, chairs and even a TABLE with her 34GG breasts!”. I've searched for this red-hot story in The Guardian & Independent in vain.
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2021, 02:16:08 pm »
Love the way the Mail reader tries to justify it by saying 'others are as bad' in much the same way that Covid deniers say 'it's as bad in other countries'.

The Mail is a rabblerousing rag read by people who consider themselves too intelligent to read The S*n.
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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2021, 02:39:17 pm »
The Mail seems to be obsessing about the actual date of Harry's wedding at the moment.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2021, 05:25:53 pm »
I would pair The Mail with The Mirror.

You will struggle to  find any real news in either the Mail or the Mirror. The only places you can find real news in UK newspapers these days is in the Grauniad, the Telegraph and maybe the FT.

The FT maybe.

Definitely not The Guardian. They did some laudable things with Wikileaks and Edward Snowden. But their bias has got the better of them with Brexit and the current government. They are blinded by their metropolitan champagne socialism.
What really took the biscuit was when the Tories made a spoof Labour website at the last election. The home page was along the lines of 'Labour - a Conservative Party Website'. But they screen-shotted just the Labour bit and stirred up a complete shitstorm of idiots who believed their nonsense. I too was outraged at such a deception, so I went to the website in question and could immediately see it was just the Guardian being idiots. Up until then I had held their editorial policy / standards in high esteem, albeit biased. Now I see them as a left wing rag. End of.

So they are the same standard as the Mail - full of nonsense, but without the sidebar of shame to keep me up to date with popular culture.

I draw the line at Lizzo in a bikini though.

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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2021, 05:27:25 pm »
The Mail seems to be obsessing about the actual date of Harry's wedding at the moment.

They have been harassing Harry for ages. I really despise that they do that. Harry is a twat, Megan is a reprehensible manipulator. But just leave them alone! I ignore all that nonsense, it's a waste of pixels!

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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2021, 05:29:29 pm »
The big blot on the copybook of the The Mail was giving a platform to that appealing woman Katy Hopkins.

I hope that's a typo there Roy

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Well spotted

Any chance a mod can correct my original?
Trust me, I do not find Katy Hopkins appealing.



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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2021, 05:44:52 pm »
I assumed that you were being sarcastic.

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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2021, 06:24:19 pm »
The Telegraph was once a reasonable although right wing biases newspaper, its little more than the Daily Mail for people with a larger vocabulary but no more intelligence.

It certainly isn't bias to expose the utter corruption and dishonesty of the current government of traitors that is more BNP than anything else.

Sadly too many people are happy to see UK and what remains of its democracy destroyed as we head towards a one party state.

To quote the ex editor of the Telegraph, Max Hastings on "Boris" Johnson:

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[Johnson is] unfit for national office, because it seems he cares for no interest save his own fame and gratification...[his] premiership will almost certainly reveal a contempt for rules, precedent, order and stability.


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« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2021, 07:06:24 pm »
The big blot on the copybook of the The Mail was giving a platform to that appealing woman Katy Hopkins.

I hope that's a typo there Roy

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Well spotted

Any chance a mod can correct my original?
Trust me, I do not find Katy Hopkins appealing.



The original text has been quoted a couple of times now so changing the original wouldn't make sense in the thread flow. You've corrected the error now anyway here.


Hmmmm....Freudian slip I think Roy. :clap2:
Ah, well, now, you see...erm...

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I draw the line at Lizzo in a bikini though.

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Ok so I had genuinely never heard of a "Lizzo" or knew what a "Lizzo" is.

Google 'Lizzo in a bikini'...

Oh....dear....God....

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« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2021, 08:12:19 pm »
Ok so I had genuinely never heard of a "Lizzo" or knew what a "Lizzo" is.

Google 'Lizzo in a bikini'...

Oh....dear....God....

 :(


You don't get excitement like that in the stuffy boring Morning StarGuardian eh!!

She's a regular fixture in the sidebar of shame.

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« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2021, 08:13:39 pm »
The Telegraph was once a reasonable although right wing biases newspaper, its little more than the Daily Mail for people with a larger vocabulary but no more intelligence.

Are you saying that right wing biases indicate a lack of intelligence?

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« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2021, 08:48:53 pm »
At least Ardgoose managed to avoid referencing cured pork product.
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« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2021, 08:54:34 pm »
At least Ardgoose managed to avoid referencing cured pork product.

I thought the Big News today was a report that said we didn't live in a racist society.

Although it didn't take all of the Lefties to say it was bollocks because we don't like the Tories, and all of the right wing press to say that we knew that, we have been saying that all along.

Not sure it helps.

A bit like calling people gammon.

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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2021, 09:08:35 pm »


I draw the line at Lizzo in a bikini though.

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Ok so I had genuinely never heard of a "Lizzo" or knew what a "Lizzo" is.

Google 'Lizzo in a bikini'...

Oh....dear....God....

 :(



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Yes well, um, now I've googled it. Dear god
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Re: Political Balance
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2021, 11:06:18 pm »
I think I might only have half my pizza tonight now.

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« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2021, 12:57:22 am »
...or you'll never get into it?  ;)

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« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2021, 01:02:42 am »
Lizzo makes really good music, and she's really good at playing the flute.
I admire the confidence of putting up your bikini pics knowing people will make the sort of comments about being fat etc and not giving a shit. Something to aspire to (but then of course the Mail would comment, their audience is middle aged women)
I also admire the work put in to do online sex work like Lottie. Although perhaps we are lacking a market for photos of scantily clad bearded pot bellied blokes  :-\

As far as the people not knowing what a Lizzo is... :lol:

 

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