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« on: April 06, 2021, 01:12:00 am »
This appeared at the weekend on Youtube.

Certainly an "interesting" use of the place & he's really got some bottle!
Just amazed they got permission.

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2021, 11:34:51 am »
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2021, 12:33:56 pm »

Just amazed they got permission.

You can get permission to do anything if you have enough cash

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2021, 02:48:38 pm »

Just amazed they got permission.

You can get permission to do anything if you have enough cash
They are riding down the steep inclines and spoil tips, I very much doubt they sort  permission to do that. I have have walked up and down those slopes and by the big chasm. I also enjoyed a late night trip into the mine at midnight once and looking up through that hole on a cloudless night sky is somewhat awe inspiring


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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2021, 03:18:29 pm »
They did seem to be riding down quite well worn paths, although I guess the paths could have been made by foot traffic.

One thing is for sure - one slip into that large chamber, they won't be having a 2nd go.

Or any of the other chamber openings in the hillside!

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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2021, 04:01:05 pm »
They did seem to be riding down quite well worn paths, although I guess the paths could have been made by foot traffic.

One thing is for sure - one slip into that large chamber, they won't be having a 2nd go.

Or any of the other chamber openings in the hillside!

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Just the thought of coming off a bike at speed onto slate waste, makes me shudder.
The cuts can be bad enough just falling onto it!

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Re: Aberllefenni
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2021, 04:02:35 pm »
I thought this place had scheduled monument status?

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2021, 12:41:12 pm »
I understand that they were up there for a couple of days and had ridden and prepared the "trail" well before it was filmed, which is why some of it looked well used, and I am sure they had permisssion to do so. Certainly in the past he has made sure that everything is done properly and legally.

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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2021, 01:11:45 pm »
This is just down the road, and by the same bloke:
https://www.dyfibikepark.co.uk/
Perhaps he's going to expand to Aberllefenni.

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2021, 02:15:11 pm »
This is just down the road, and by the same bloke:
https://www.dyfibikepark.co.uk/
Perhaps he's going to expand to Aberllefenni.

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Where he has worked hand in hand with NWR, the Councils and the National Park Authority to make sure everything is "right", which is why I am sure the filming at Aberllefenni was all above board.

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Re: Aberllefenni
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2021, 02:53:43 pm »
I'm not really up to speed with things in Wales but as a mine site of some importance wouldn't it fall under Cadw?

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Re: Aberllefenni
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2021, 08:25:36 pm »
Cadw are too busy monetizing their castles.

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2021, 08:50:23 pm »
This is just down the road, and by the same bloke:
https://www.dyfibikepark.co.uk/
Perhaps he's going to expand to Aberllefenni.

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That website looks some impressive biking. A lot of hard graft must have gone into that. Hope his business does well, not been a great 12 months for businesses, especially tourism dependent ones!
Edit: and he's way outside the usual tourist trap sites too
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Re: Aberllefenni
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2021, 09:05:02 pm »
I'm not really up to speed with things in Wales but as a mine site of some importance wouldn't it fall under Cadw?

Cadw would have been consulted if this was being done properly, and if they felt monument consent was needed they would have dealt with processing the application. I'm not sure whether the final grant is something that's been devolved to the Welsh Assembly, if not it's the Culture Secretary who makes the decision on whether to give permission.
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2021, 09:22:02 pm »
I thought this place had scheduled monument status?

No, the quarry generally and slate workings are not SM, only the Water Balance Incline which is edged in red on the map here:
http://lle.gov.wales/map#b=europa&l=3;&m=-3.81622,52.67736,15

Find out more about the local mining history in general and nice photos including aerial ones here:
https://coflein.gov.uk/en/site/275917/archives

And where the Access Land is (edged in brown at 1/25000 and 1/50000 scale) here:
https://streetmap.co.uk/map?x=276706&y=310067&z=0&sv=SH7670610067&st=5&mapp=map&searchp=ids






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Re: Aberllefenni
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2021, 11:01:59 pm »
I'm not really up to speed with things in Wales but as a mine site of some importance wouldn't it fall under Cadw?

Cadw would have been consulted if this was being done properly, and if they felt monument consent was needed they would have dealt with processing the application. I'm not sure whether the final grant is something that's been devolved to the Welsh Assembly, if not it's the Culture Secretary who makes the decision on whether to give permission.

It's a devolved matter so nothing at all to do with Westminster's "Culture" Secretary.

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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2021, 07:56:37 am »
It's a devolved matter so nothing at all to do with Westminster's "Culture" Secretary.
Don't worry, they can centralised it soon and by centralising these things (National Parks administration next) there can be significant cost savings and efficiency improvements to improve service, a centralised call centre can bring a faster pickup time and 24*7 coverage too which gives much better customer satisfaction.

"Hello, my name is Dav, thanking you for calling Caddy Whales. Please advice me on how you spell Abbey Lenvee and where in The England UK, you are situated and I will help you on same"

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2021, 08:44:09 am »
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Cadw would have been consulted ... It's a devolved matter...

Well, yes and no.  First of all, Cadw is a "trading name" of the Welsh Government so to speak, not a separate legal entity.

Most of the scheduling in Wales took place a long long time ago before the devolved government existed.  Cadw, i.e. the government, decides what and if to schedule and the landowner concerned then has to react accordingly, and in turn their visitors.  It's not done in the order where visitors ask landowner to get their land scheduled, then the landowner asks Cadw to schedule it, etc.

The full list of Welsh Scheduled Monuments where we have identified some underground mine or quarry or cave aspect is here:
http://www.cambriancavingcouncil.org.uk/pdf/newsletters/2018/historic-sites.pdf

The above list does not generally include those sites where it is the built surface features that are the scheduled objects of interest, such as the old quarry inclines or works buildings, as is the case at Aberllefenni, Bryneglwys, Rhiwbach and so on, because these things are not underground.








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Re: Aberllefenni
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2021, 11:57:08 am »
Whatever the rights or wrongs of this, I do have to say the quality of filming is very good indeed , and if you notice the very good plug for RED Bull of course failing at the start only to have a sip, and then flew down . Certainly gave him wings , the sponsors would have loved that . I know a guys that are also sponsored by Red Bull and if you dont do something more extreme than last time in your chosen sport, then you will lose the contract    :'(
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2021, 07:48:57 pm »
They'll probably try the same at Dinorwic next

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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2021, 08:32:34 am »
They'll probably try the same at Dinorwic next
I've watched pretty young kids cycle up that concrete cableway (or whatever it is) on the first big incline you get to (behind long sheds) when you walk in from Bus stop. Then turn around and come down again. If only I had a bike with big tyres and disk brakes and had a hill like that when I was a kid. Those rock hard Raleigh front brake rubbers on thin chrome rims wouldn't have been up to the job, I would never have stopped.
Even the Raleigh Bomber wouldn't have been up to it. I remember some kid zooming down a hill proudly on his new Bomber shouting to his mates at the top of his voice "Watch This! Back-pedal brakes" then he back pedalled, the back wheel locked, he totally lost it, slid across the road and ended up lying motionless with terrible road rash while all his mates were rolling on the floor wetting themselves with laughter. Kids of today :shrug:, they don't know how lucky they are.
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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2021, 08:42:36 am »
In the early 19602, we used to cycle around old slag heaps in Northumberland. Most have now been landscaped or levelled but in those days they were quite steep and very unforgiving to fall on. There were two schools of thought: wear shorts and get horribly scraped; or wear jeans, get slightly less scraped but get into trouble with you parents when you got home with your jeans in tatters.

The extra excitement was that some had slow burning, internal fires with a thin crust over the surface. I never encountered one but our parents used to tell horror stories about them (though I think it was really an attempt to persuade us not to wreck so many pairs of jeans).

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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2021, 10:00:30 am »
The Athertons (2 brothers and the sister) are massive news in mid wales.  All world champs.  They have their very own hillside in mid wales where they build stupendous trails host the Redbull Hardline every year.   I'm sure they've got quite a lot of clout locally and I'll bet they did ask permission.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCew-XynokXzvaLr-zRV8APg

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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2021, 10:27:50 am »
Presumably they do more and more ludicrous stunts until they kill themselves?

Skating down past the quarries on razor sharp slate with fatal drops within a few feet is only going to end one way...

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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2021, 04:37:05 pm »
Good idea ChrisJC!
They should go back to Aberllefenni and repeat the same route but on rollerskates. You should suggest it. That will up the ante.

And to top that they'd need to rollerskate down the side of Twll Mawr holding a heavily sweated 4oz stick of gelignite in each hand after product placing a Red Bull first of course
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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2021, 04:55:27 pm »
Good idea ChrisJC!
They should go back to Aberllefenni and repeat the same route but on rollerskates. You should suggest it. That will up the ante.

And to top that they'd need to rollerskate down the side of Twll Mawr holding a heavily sweated 4oz stick of gelignite in each hand after product placing a Red Bull first of course

I will up your rollerskates by a pogo stick.

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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2021, 09:52:01 pm »
I will up your rollerskates by a pogo stick.

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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2021, 09:19:55 am »
Frankly they will need either a jetpack or wings if they go in one of the holes near the top - they are 200m deep.

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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2021, 12:07:31 pm »
There we have it...
They cycle fast down onto a ramp, freestyle Motocross double backflip into a 200m hole and immediately deploy slider up base jump chute to land at bottom. Wild applause.

But will they have the b*lls to climb down the big ladder?
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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2021, 05:10:19 pm »
There we have it...
They cycle fast down onto a ramp, freestyle Motocross double backflip into a 200m hole and immediately deploy slider up base jump chute to land at bottom. Wild applause.

But will they have the b*lls to climb down the big ladder?

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« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2021, 06:09:51 pm »
That big ladder is interesting. Ladders on a slight inclination are different completely to a vertical one. And the longest length here I would say is a good 60 feet and vertical. A tackle bag on your back tends to pull you outwards, I have the presence of mind to hang mine from a sling on the front of my belt, I find it makes a big difference.
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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2021, 11:38:46 am »
That big ladder is interesting. Ladders on a slight inclination are different completely to a vertical one. And the longest length here I would say is a good 60 feet and vertical. A tackle bag on your back tends to pull you outwards, I have the presence of mind to hang mine from a sling on the front of my belt, I find it makes a big difference.

We lower ours down on the rope thats in situ if its still there ?
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2021, 08:26:31 pm »
Roy can you upload photos on here ? I have a nice shot showing the whole of that ladder and chamber lit up or a very nice video but will that upset people ??   :-\
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2021, 05:20:24 pm »

Living life on the edge is all well and good.. till you fall off......


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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2021, 06:06:19 pm »
... a very nice video but will that upset people ??   :-\
Please upset us!
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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2021, 06:23:11 pm »

Living life on the edge is all well and good.. till you fall off......



Rescued by the tax-payer, fixed up by the tax-payer; I assume some of his Red Bull sponsorship went as a donation?!
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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2021, 07:04:10 pm »
Suppose you twist your ankle in a mine, someone will say... Why did he go in that mine, isn't it dangerous, they should all be boarded up, etc, local hospital, my taxes, cost this and that, if only he'd just stayed at home, etc , etc. I even hear the same about steep hill walking from some people. ( for example my my mother in law considers grade 1 scrambling as unforgivably dangerous and selfish as it risks the lives of others who "inevitably" will have to rescue them),

I'm happier for someone to take a tiny fraction of my taxes doing something active and inspiring (even if stupidly foolhardy!!), than people who take a fraction of my taxes by years of neglecting themselves.

Not sure if I can go as far as defending the stupidity, but oddly I'm not comfortable that it should be criticised. I think we're all richer for having people as daft as him (although no I wouldn't encourage my kids to do that). Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm looking at that ridge, really think I recognise it but can't name it, kicking myself.. Where is it?
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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2021, 08:39:21 pm »
It's a ridge above the minor road which climbs up to Bwlch Y Groes, just east of the Arans. On the OS map it's called Wenallt, or Tap Nyth yr Eryr.

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« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2021, 08:40:57 pm »
Suppose you twist your ankle in a mine, someone will say... Why did he go in that mine, isn't it dangerous, they should all be boarded up, etc, local hospital, my taxes, cost this and that, if only he'd just stayed at home, etc , etc. I even hear the same about steep hill walking from some people. ( for example my my mother in law considers grade 1 scrambling as unforgivably dangerous and selfish as it risks the lives of others who "inevitably" will have to rescue them),

I'm happier for someone to take a tiny fraction of my taxes doing something active and inspiring (even if stupidly foolhardy!!), than people who take a fraction of my taxes by years of neglecting themselves.

Not sure if I can go as far as defending the stupidity, but oddly I'm not comfortable that it should be criticised. I think we're all richer for having people as daft as him (although no I wouldn't encourage my kids to do that). Let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm looking at that ridge, really think I recognise it but can't name it, kicking myself.. Where is it?

My point was that with all his sponsorship and money raising hype, he could afford to pay towards the costs, in the same way that you and I can to a greater or lesser extent. When I go falling over on a hill or crashing my car It's a consequence of doing something work or for relaxation.
When you are doing something extreme for sponsorship, likes or for social media exposure then there should be a balance.
He may well have made a donation, if so great but I just guessed by the way he made a point of thanking everyone that he hadn't.
I wouldn't advocate leaving him there dying, health care free at the point of delivery and all that.  :)



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« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2021, 10:58:21 pm »
In the event of an incident/accident of any nature you are not at liberty to make judgement calls about the whys/wherefores or wisdom of the circumstances leading to it.

If you were allowed to do so then pretty nearly every cave rescue would be a dire condemnation of the entire endeavour of all of us.

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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2021, 08:26:56 am »
In the event of an incident/accident of any nature you are not at liberty to make judgement calls about the whys/wherefores or wisdom of the circumstances leading to it.

If you were allowed to do so then pretty nearly every cave rescue would be a dire condemnation of the entire endeavour of all of us.

No one is listening to me here.....

The guy is sponsored.
Its a commercial endeavour.
He's raking it in (I assume), pushing the boundaries, then he wipes out and costs the tax payer £100k.

I don't begrudge him his airlift or his medical expenses; I would happily let the taxpayer pay a million pounds to get him walking again. We are human beings. We are compassionate. It's what we do.

My point is that anything involving Red Bull is well funded, or should be, and they should contribute.

Maybe they have!

I would LOVE IT if someone came on here and said that he had donated a grand to the ward at Stoke where he was treated.

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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2021, 09:01:14 am »
The real issue here is where do you draw the line between a genuine accident, e.g. in the kitchen, and a paid-up wazzock on a mountain bike trying to kill himself for likes / subs.

Any accident should be paid for by the NHS, but morally, the wazzock on the mountain bike and his sponsors should be thinking hard about a hefty contribution.

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« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2021, 09:06:24 am »
I knew full well before I posted that this is exactly the argument that would ensue.   ::)

It wouldn't surprise me one jot if the Athertons have donated heavily to the local mountain rescue team, hospital ward etc. But then that's a private matter for them, and shouldn't be publisised as it would set a precedent and an expectation level.

But ask yourself this, would Gee, Dan and Rachel be out there doing this, even if they weren't sponsored by Red Bull.   Look back over their history, as riders, what they've done, created, organised, set up etc.  I think you'll find they've been out there doing it, even before the sponsorship deals appeared on the horizon.

Just ask yourself how much tax payers money is spent on policing football matches, every weekend, in practically every town and city across the land.  The helicopters, the riot vans, the horses etc etc.

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« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2021, 09:21:08 am »
The true answer is .

Money is the route of all evil  :coffee:

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« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2021, 09:31:25 am »
... trying to kill himself for likes / subs...
reading that and Sinker's commercial endeavour comments, fair point!
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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2021, 09:33:19 am »
The real issue here is where do you draw the line between a genuine accident, e.g. in the kitchen, and a paid-up wazzock on a mountain bike trying to kill himself for likes / subs.

Any accident should be paid for by the NHS, but morally, the wazzock on the mountain bike and his sponsors should be thinking hard about a hefty contribution.

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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2021, 11:09:50 am »


Just ask yourself how much tax payers money is spent on policing football matches, every weekend, in practically every town and city across the land.  The helicopters, the riot vans, the horses etc etc.

I think you will find the Clubs have to pay for policing matches nowadays

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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2021, 11:17:10 am »

I think you will find the Clubs have to pay for policing matches nowadays

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Or not - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45837613

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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2021, 06:18:37 pm »
Another thing is guys most accidents are peoples stupidity   :chair:
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2021, 10:54:25 pm »
The true answer is .

Money is the route of all evil  :coffee:

That's a common misquote. It's the love of money, 1 Timothy 6:10 refers.

 

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