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Title: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 24, 2013, 10:17:56 pm
A crucibervalist approach to Wezzit was suggested elsewhere on this site, OK, I'll start it, see how it goe's:

"Perhaps Granny leads confused Owl down here in Derbyshire" (7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on May 24, 2013, 10:31:47 pm
Knotlow?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on May 24, 2013, 10:51:52 pm
Like it  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 24, 2013, 10:56:47 pm
Knotlow?

Got it one, Dunc., your turn :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on May 25, 2013, 08:19:39 am
Damn, means I've got to think now, at work, on phone and Saturday morning, I'll do my best....


Mick Jagger collects none of this in the valley. ( 8 )
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on May 25, 2013, 08:22:18 am
Mossdale
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on May 25, 2013, 10:26:10 am
Spot on Cap'n...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on May 25, 2013, 04:41:35 pm
Paddle eleven, earlier.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Blakethwaite on May 25, 2013, 04:52:40 pm
Paddle eleven, earlier.

Rowten.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on May 25, 2013, 04:58:04 pm
Two wheezy, clearly. Yep.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Blakethwaite on May 25, 2013, 05:15:36 pm
Hokay, don't do crosswords all that often so apologies if I've got the form wrong...

- A beery cremation of my own.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 25, 2013, 05:22:28 pm
Aleburn mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Blakethwaite on May 25, 2013, 05:25:55 pm
Aleburn mine?

Yar, Ayleburn Mine Cave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 25, 2013, 05:28:16 pm
Wide open sound of bass part.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on May 25, 2013, 09:50:12 pm
Gaping Gill
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 25, 2013, 10:05:50 pm
All yours dunc.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on May 25, 2013, 10:58:21 pm
Cheers bograt, that got me for a bit as I was thinking musical bass!
Anyway, here we go:

In short, if we look back at the application of computers, we find a confused formicidae.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on May 25, 2013, 11:12:29 pm
IT. Ant. Anagram.

Titan. Reckon.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on May 26, 2013, 10:08:14 am
Titan it is, think I'll have to try and make them more obscure! :)

Back to you Cap'n..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on May 26, 2013, 10:30:16 am
450–495 nano-metres. It's Gospel.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 26, 2013, 10:40:24 am
Blue John mine - nice one :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on May 26, 2013, 07:08:28 pm
Yep.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 26, 2013, 07:35:28 pm
Cheers, lets try this;

Beast of burden tops off loads of wheat.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on May 26, 2013, 08:00:55 pm
Reluctant to say it since I'm not sure it right but if it is I'll have to make one up however -

Oxlow
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 26, 2013, 08:05:04 pm
Welcome BitterEnd, well done, your turn ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on May 26, 2013, 08:16:31 pm
Bugger, bear with me, this might take a while...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on May 26, 2013, 08:26:11 pm
Too many anglicised Ivans are misplaced
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 26, 2013, 08:36:05 pm
Lost Johns'?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on May 26, 2013, 08:39:32 pm
Lost Johns it is, over to you Fulk
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 26, 2013, 09:16:59 pm
Collar and opt out? (4,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 26, 2013, 09:21:16 pm
Nick Pot ?  :)  Like it...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 26, 2013, 09:27:53 pm
That took less than 5 minutes, Jason; nice one, over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 26, 2013, 10:53:45 pm
OK....

The sound of monks on motorbikes ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 26, 2013, 11:03:10 pm
Vespers?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on May 26, 2013, 11:46:08 pm
These are clearly FAR TOO EASY!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on May 27, 2013, 12:43:29 am
These are clearly FAR TOO EASY!

Short Drop?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 27, 2013, 09:06:42 am
Over to you Bograt....  :thumbsup:

I must say I had underestimated the cruciverbial acumen of the caving community, so by all means make 'em tougher as Cap'n Chris suggests !

It could be widened to named locations within caves to give more of a challenge?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: mrodoc on May 27, 2013, 10:20:29 am
I am impressed with the clues. Some very abstruse ones.  Never been much good at crosswords but try this one.

Corrupted wet weather Saint goes underground.  I am sure Capn Chris will know this one.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bat on May 27, 2013, 10:34:21 am
Swildon's Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 27, 2013, 12:27:54 pm
Silverback attempts to sandwich uranium.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 27, 2013, 12:42:21 pm
These are clearly FAR TOO EASY!

Short Drop?

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 27, 2013, 12:49:50 pm
Silverback attempts to sandwich uranium.

Gautries.  Nice
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 27, 2013, 01:44:06 pm
Its all a question of wavelengths, over to you JasonC.  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 27, 2013, 05:11:06 pm
OK, trying for something to keep you cryptic geniuses guessing for longer than 30 seconds...

Irishman's passing on gin, slid uncomfortably into tight spot. (5,3,2,3,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 27, 2013, 05:46:10 pm
Would that be Micks End in Old Ings?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 27, 2013, 08:05:52 pm
Yes Bograt it would - with apologies to any Irish readers for a shockingly un-PC clue....

Over the net, back to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 27, 2013, 09:02:17 pm
Court union, maybe?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 28, 2013, 10:08:22 am
Would I be on the right lines with 'Something Joint' (as, e.g. Timpony Joint' – though not that)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 28, 2013, 10:15:03 am
Don't think so... I have an inkling of a suspicion of a possible answer ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 28, 2013, 12:05:04 pm
Would I be on the right lines with 'Something Joint' (as, e.g. Timpony Joint' – though not that)?

No, it is a cave name rather than a location inside one :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 28, 2013, 12:21:40 pm
Quote
No, it is a cave name rather than a location inside one

Check out NC Vol. 1, p. 145.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on May 28, 2013, 01:23:18 pm
Link Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 28, 2013, 01:26:17 pm
Not Link, not NC.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 28, 2013, 08:08:54 pm
Wookey Hole ?

Woo + Keyhole, referring to Union, makers of the same

You'd not get away that in the Times, but the Guardian would probably allow it :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 28, 2013, 09:05:40 pm
No hole intended, they also make the key! :) :)
All yours.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 28, 2013, 09:55:24 pm
Fool heard about detective, no longer current.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 30, 2013, 10:49:58 am
Hmm, took me a couple of days to swim the channel for that one! :-\, sneaky  :unsure:, anyone else want to guess before I pop it?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 30, 2013, 11:08:48 pm
OK, no takers;
 Goof re Berger(ac)

Goufre Berger.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 30, 2013, 11:36:52 pm
YYURYYUBICURYY4ME  :clap2:

Well done - back to you !

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 30, 2013, 11:43:43 pm
Not fit enough to work that one out at the mo.  :blink:
Try this;

Hearing pulse, two score over five.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 30, 2013, 11:46:06 pm
YYURYYUBICURYY4ME  :clap2:

Well done - back to you !

Got it, 'knew I'd seen it before!, thanks for the compliment :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 31, 2013, 08:41:42 am
re "Two Ys" etc... I remember it from schooldays, so it's obviously of great antiquity :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 31, 2013, 09:18:31 am
P-8 ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Laurie on May 31, 2013, 10:38:57 am
re "Two Ys" etc... I remember it from schooldays, so it's obviously of great antiquity :)
I remember it from school days and I'm a great antiquity.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 31, 2013, 01:33:03 pm
P-8 ?

Over to you Fulk ::) ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 31, 2013, 03:51:08 pm
Swan takes you to Belgium town (9 letters).

(Funny – I thought that P-8 was too obvious, really!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 31, 2013, 03:58:04 pm
Pen-y-Ghent Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 31, 2013, 04:29:19 pm
It's all yours, Roger. :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 31, 2013, 04:40:08 pm
They flew from RAF Scampton to make this one.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Laurie on May 31, 2013, 04:47:55 pm
Lancaster Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 31, 2013, 04:58:20 pm
Good try, but not the one I was thinking of...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 31, 2013, 06:35:38 pm
Vulcan?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 31, 2013, 06:57:17 pm
Getting colder...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 31, 2013, 07:42:01 pm
Lets try "Hole in the Wall?"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 31, 2013, 08:12:21 pm
A hole, definitely...  and the guys from Scampton put it in a wall - but which wall?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on May 31, 2013, 08:50:48 pm
erm, wasn't it the Mohne?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 31, 2013, 09:12:02 pm
Which was a...?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 31, 2013, 09:26:23 pm
Dam wall?? never heard of it :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on May 31, 2013, 10:00:44 pm
Damn, easy when you get a clue..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 01, 2013, 12:23:28 am
Still waiting for a reply from Roger W, don't think I've come across a cave with "Dam" in its name. :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on June 01, 2013, 09:15:59 am
Ah, but what lay behind the dam? (Come on, Nick, if your fingers are up to it!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Ros on June 01, 2013, 09:19:10 am
Resevoir Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on June 01, 2013, 09:23:48 am
 :clap2:  Over to you, Ros!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Ros on June 01, 2013, 09:53:14 am
Confused Leo held on for a classic SRT trip.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 01, 2013, 10:27:46 am
Eldon Hole ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Ros on June 01, 2013, 10:44:37 am
Eldon Hole ?
yes - over to you Fulk
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 01, 2013, 11:09:53 am
Ball hunter? (7,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Ros on June 01, 2013, 11:45:59 am
Knacker Trapper
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 01, 2013, 12:03:46 pm
Yep, over to you, Ros.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Ros on June 01, 2013, 12:21:03 pm
Tom Riddle ----
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 01, 2013, 12:46:48 pm
Voldemort?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Ros on June 01, 2013, 12:53:24 pm
Voldemort?
correct - over to you  ......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 02, 2013, 03:29:25 pm
A clanger misses twisting in this Forest cave. (4,6,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2013, 03:48:48 pm
Miss Graces Lane?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 02, 2013, 04:22:01 pm
That was obviously far too easy. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2013, 10:48:37 pm
Hmmm, OK. New to the game so apologise if "incorrect".

Fast wishing, gets you wet.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: rsch on June 02, 2013, 11:02:05 pm
Speedwell
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Rob on June 03, 2013, 07:17:06 am
Correct!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: rsch on June 03, 2013, 08:26:58 am
Big knicker to splint fracture.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: rsch on June 03, 2013, 12:18:03 pm
This is a well enough known and fairly popular cave.

Big knicker to splint fracture (4,4,3)





Further clues coming in due course...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 03, 2013, 12:26:14 pm
Pant Mawr Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: rsch on June 03, 2013, 12:42:35 pm
Further clues now unnecessary - do carry on!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 03, 2013, 01:45:57 pm
Only two pints (8 letters)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 03, 2013, 02:17:09 pm
Meregill ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 03, 2013, 02:32:45 pm
Meregill it is.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 03, 2013, 03:13:23 pm
What am I missing - isn't a gill a quarter of a pint and a quart is 2 pints?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 03, 2013, 03:22:55 pm
Oh shit, yes, a gill is 1/4 of a pint, not 1/4 of a gallon.  :-[ Still, I'm not the only ignoramus here.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on June 03, 2013, 03:31:17 pm
Still, I'm not the only ignoramus here.

P8. Idiot's leap?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 03, 2013, 03:48:14 pm
Oh shit, yes, a gill is 1/4 of a pint, not 1/4 of a gallon.  :-[ Still, I'm not the only ignoramus here.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:, I was waiting to see if it was right before correcting it ;D ;D; ;

"I claim the may fruit"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 03, 2013, 08:12:08 pm
Bagshaw(e) ?  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 03, 2013, 10:59:24 pm
Yup, back to you Jason :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 03, 2013, 11:01:08 pm
B






.... that's it, just "B"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 04, 2013, 08:14:05 am
Magnetometer???
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 04, 2013, 10:50:58 am
Second Best?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 04, 2013, 11:46:37 am
Box Head
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 04, 2013, 07:22:53 pm
Ireby.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 04, 2013, 07:24:51 pm
Magnetometer???

Magnetometer???????
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 04, 2013, 07:26:07 pm
Box Head

Box Head it is  :clap2:

('head' of Box - geddit ?)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 04, 2013, 08:02:03 pm
Magnetometer???

Magnetometer???????

B is the usual letter used to denote for magnetic field...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 04, 2013, 09:38:28 pm
This thread is occupying far too much of my invaluable time  :)
Try this;

Definite article, Haematite and galena for instance losing all energy, Beware!.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 04, 2013, 11:07:30 pm

B is the usual letter used to denote for magnetic field...

I'm flattered by your assumption that I knew that....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: scurve on June 04, 2013, 11:43:58 pm
Thor's Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 04, 2013, 11:58:49 pm
Thor's Cave?

Brilliant, Scurve! ;D ;D

For those who don't get it;; Definitive article= The.
                                      Haematite & Galena= Ores     
                                          Losing energy (e)= -e   

                                                                      = Th +ors
                                                                      =  Thors

                                              Beware (Latin) = Cave 

 

    Over to you  :bow: :bow:   
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: scurve on June 05, 2013, 12:05:49 am
This is fun.

The billfold that belongs to the maxillary catastrophe survived by Utnapishtim.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 05, 2013, 12:12:08 am
Ouch!, going to have to sleep on that one!, Night Night!! :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 05, 2013, 08:41:55 am
Upper Flood Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: scurve on June 05, 2013, 08:46:04 am
It is Upper Flood Swallet, well done.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 05, 2013, 09:54:20 am
Super duper!

Anyway, try this....

"Activate new hockey line-up"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 05, 2013, 06:08:08 pm
Yockenthwaite Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 06, 2013, 12:17:05 am
Well it was Yockenthwaite Cave but that's close enough - so over to you Mr Droid!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 06, 2013, 12:23:39 am
Bloody brilliant, got the anagram but not the cave. :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 06, 2013, 04:28:56 am
Aaaargh...just got up....brain in neutral... :-[  ::)


Old crone initially gets tot, opt oddly for the answer.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: scurve on June 06, 2013, 07:33:32 am
Hagg Gill Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 06, 2013, 02:55:41 pm
Over to scurve..... ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: scurve on June 06, 2013, 03:03:03 pm
Awesome.

Foramen doing as He does in the tome of Beeri's son, on National Coming Out Day for us, or Malala Day for US.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on June 06, 2013, 03:31:48 pm
Roaring Hole...  :unsure:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: scurve on June 06, 2013, 03:37:36 pm
Oh, well done Les W!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 06, 2013, 03:42:46 pm
Can someone explain that one please? :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: scurve on June 06, 2013, 03:50:42 pm
Yes, sorry but I'm not very experienced in cryptic crosswords so perhaps my clue was a little unorthodox.
Foramen is Latin for hole
Beeri is a biblical character whose son is Hosea
Verse 11, chapter 10 (11/10) of Hosea says:
They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he shall roar, then the children shall come trembling from the west.
11/10 in the UK is 11th of October, which is National Coming Out Day
11/10 in the US is 10th November, which is Malala Day.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 06, 2013, 03:57:24 pm
'sfunny, Mr Google says Malala day is 12th July...

but I think that takes the biscuit for cryptic obscurity so far  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 06, 2013, 04:03:27 pm
What the hell's National Coming Out Day? And Malala Day for that matter?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 06, 2013, 04:18:37 pm

but I think that takes the biscuit for cryptic obscurity so far  :clap2:
Certainly does.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: scurve on June 06, 2013, 04:34:37 pm
'sfunny, Mr Google says Malala day is 12th July...

http://educationenvoy.org/press/malala-day (http://educationenvoy.org/press/malala-day)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: glyders on June 06, 2013, 05:02:55 pm
I'm not sure if this is a turns thing or not. Sorry if it is, but here's one if it isn't:
"Academics follow south west Illinois to the end of all." (8,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 06, 2013, 05:07:51 pm
Swildons.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: glyders on June 06, 2013, 05:11:34 pm
Indeed.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 06, 2013, 05:15:57 pm
Over to you, Les W :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on June 06, 2013, 06:51:59 pm
As clues go that was pretty obscure. Even Google struggled with Beeri...
I'll see what I can come up with...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 06, 2013, 07:28:27 pm
'sfunny, Mr Google says Malala day is 12th July...

http://educationenvoy.org/press/malala-day (http://educationenvoy.org/press/malala-day)

yeah, but would you trust Gordon Broon ?  What about this....
http://aworldatschool.org/malaladay (http://aworldatschool.org/malaladay)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 06, 2013, 07:53:00 pm
Quote
Even Google struggled with Beeri...

You mean you Googled it? And there was I thinking that you knew the bible inside out, Les. :tease:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on June 06, 2013, 07:58:00 pm
google is your friend... (when it's not trying to take over the world...)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on June 06, 2013, 08:08:47 pm
Try this

Heads off when Mufasa's brother combines primaries with Utah spectre residences

apologies if its too obtuse...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on June 06, 2013, 08:31:33 pm
Er, White Scar?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on June 06, 2013, 08:42:33 pm
Very quick Cap'n, your go then...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on June 06, 2013, 08:51:05 pm
Beware Vonnegut download, perhaps.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 06, 2013, 09:36:51 pm
Too easy, it's obviously Kurt Woodland Cave....  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on June 06, 2013, 09:39:06 pm
Knope.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on June 06, 2013, 09:58:47 pm
As I'll never get one I thought I'd just quickly drop an easy one in.

All shades a quivering as the top recoils   (5,6,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Elaine on June 06, 2013, 10:47:36 pm
Black Shiver Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: menacer on June 07, 2013, 07:42:53 am
Beware Vonnegut download, perhaps.

Slaughter stream ( i didnt cheat )
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on June 07, 2013, 07:48:56 am
Slaughter Stream Cave, full stop. Correct.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: menacer on June 07, 2013, 07:55:25 am
Feathered squatters given the chop.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 07, 2013, 08:18:34 am
Cuckoo Cleeves?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: menacer on June 07, 2013, 08:21:02 am
 :clap2: aww tooo easy. Your turn.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 07, 2013, 10:34:57 am
Lets see how long this one will last then......

"Conservatives lose investors after small tavern hire mix-up"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 07, 2013, 11:52:27 am
Travertine Cave ??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on June 07, 2013, 11:57:11 am
ha! In the time it took me to think one up, another had been posted and solved!  Well done Elaine, Black Shiver it was.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 07, 2013, 12:41:16 pm
Not Travertine.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 07, 2013, 12:50:51 pm
Lets see how long this one will last then......

"Conservatives lose investors after small tavern hire mix-up"

Little Neath River Cave?

(I love the "Conservatives lose investors"! ;D)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 07, 2013, 01:13:41 pm
Bang on Bograt - over to you...

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 07, 2013, 01:35:46 pm
Contents of Cheddar, furry cheese, leads spineless old Zimbabwan quadruped about Spanish railway.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 08, 2013, 01:13:12 pm
Only thing I can come up with is Churchill Cave - but not entirely sure why!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 08, 2013, 06:28:45 pm
Not Churchill, more than 24 hours on this thread is a long time!, maybe I've hit the suitable level with this one :)

OK, clue; COPD, or COD before that.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Elaine on June 08, 2013, 09:13:58 pm
I googled furry cheese cos I am a cheat. And I can't think of any caves that are named after that!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on June 08, 2013, 09:45:37 pm
Mouldridge Mine   :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 08, 2013, 10:02:16 pm
 ;D ;D  No, not correct, maybe think about the old name of Zimbabwe and the spineless quadruped??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 09, 2013, 01:29:25 am
Darfur Ridge Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 09, 2013, 10:13:12 am
You got it Andy ;D

Explanation;

  Contents of Ched dar, fur ry cheese,
 Old  Zimbabwan quadruped= Rhodesian Ridgeback
                       Spineless       = minus back =ridge 
                             about       = c 
             Spanish railway       = AVE (Spains high speed train)

 Well done, over to you :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 09, 2013, 03:11:52 pm
Good lord, that's The Independent Cryptic Crossword standard at least (I remember one prize crossword which was so difficult that they only had 5 entrants instead of the usual 1000 or so).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 09, 2013, 03:48:51 pm
This should be a bit easier  :) : two ways to get to the same Eureka moment with this one.....

Ale, Nosh, Claret - a more favourable combination than the nutty co-op version.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 09, 2013, 06:53:15 pm
Lancaster Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 09, 2013, 08:49:03 pm
....that's the first part cracked - carrying on with part two or claiming the glory anyway?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: rsch on June 09, 2013, 08:56:10 pm
nutty co-op = County Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 09, 2013, 09:10:11 pm
...that both so over to you rsch - unless TheBitterEnd gets in there first!  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 09, 2013, 09:45:02 pm
From "B" to meta-cryptic clues, I'm beginning to wonder if this thread needs some guidelines.

Anyway, I'm having a turn since I inadvertently started the whole thing

Anti nippikin, apple family exits on entry
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 09, 2013, 11:02:44 pm
Pippikin
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 10, 2013, 07:42:14 am
Not Pippikin
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 10, 2013, 08:33:50 am
By the way, I got as far as 'Darfur' above . . . but when I Googled it , it came up with Darfar [Ridge Cave].
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2013, 10:05:38 am
Yes, that bit threw me too... (or that's my excuse, I was also thrown by Mugbe and RENFE!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 10, 2013, 10:12:01 am
Anti nippikin, apple family exits on entry

Valley Entrance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 10, 2013, 10:49:19 am
Not Valley Entrance
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 10, 2013, 11:28:43 am
Aah, the dependance upon Google ;D, its Darfur in the book!! :smartass:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Rob on June 10, 2013, 12:18:49 pm
I think that's actually your dependancy on a book, as I'm sure it's Darfar in reality... 

Maybe someone on here from the Darfar Potholing Club could confirm....!?! :smartass:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Addy on June 10, 2013, 12:28:52 pm
Cox's cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 10, 2013, 01:01:16 pm
Never heard of Cox's cave so its not that
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 10, 2013, 01:24:16 pm
I think that's actually your dependancy on a book, as I'm sure it's Darfar in reality... 

Maybe someone on here from the Darfar Potholing Club could confirm....!?! :smartass:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5461/9005302831_724054996b_c.jpg)

COD, 1979, before Google, before the club  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 10, 2013, 01:41:38 pm
I did, in fact, check my copy of COD, which is dated 1984; it contains references to DarfAr Crag Cave, DarfAr Pot and DarfAr Ridge Cave!

(And like Rob, I was thinking that the Spanish Railway System is RENFE.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 10, 2013, 01:44:40 pm
And the OS Map shows the name "Dafar Bridge" so the mystery deepens....


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3667/9006627360_c7b00180a5.jpg)

Anyway, DarfAr can't be right 'cos it doesn't appear in the words "Cheddar furry"  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 10, 2013, 04:41:53 pm
And is (or was) Mugbe (sic) a quadruped?? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 10, 2013, 06:29:21 pm
If I could just interrupt your little tiff...

Given that there have been a few wrong answers let me rephrase that:

Anti Nippikin on entry Apple family exit?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 10, 2013, 11:52:47 pm
If I could just interrupt your little tiff...


Yes sir!, Sorry sir!, straying from the point sir!,  :chair:

The only thing that springs to mind at the mo. is Plantation, though I can't think why? :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 11, 2013, 07:33:10 am
Not Plantation.

6 letters, well known dales cave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 11, 2013, 10:04:43 am
anti = con, apple family = rosaceae, so

Conrosaceae Pot?  ;)

Oh drat, it's got more than 6 letters.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on June 11, 2013, 12:34:32 pm
County Pot (only 6 letter cave I can think off and it has con in there too!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 11, 2013, 12:48:12 pm
Nope.

It's the "obverse" of  "Nippikin on entry Apple familiy exit" and you need to think much more widely about the Apple family, it's a rather modern aspect of the clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 11, 2013, 01:13:32 pm
Old Ing?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 11, 2013, 01:35:58 pm
Kingpin?

Edit; whoops, scrap that, can't count :-[
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 11, 2013, 01:48:09 pm
Something to do with iMacs / iPads etc? (But I can't think what.) (A bit like Padirac, for example – but not that, of course.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on June 11, 2013, 02:00:20 pm
Apple family = I kin

So apple family exit would mean taking I kin out of nippikin, leaving nipp

Now, I'm stuck ...  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 11, 2013, 02:09:33 pm
On entry = Niponp, never heard of it! :shrug:
Obverse = Ponpin, ??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 11, 2013, 05:37:48 pm
 :)  so close

well done steviet_scg for getting ikin

so nippikin with ikin replaced with on  gives?





which is the land of?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 11, 2013, 05:49:56 pm
Rising Sun, Obverse= SUNSET???
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 11, 2013, 06:00:38 pm
There's cryptic, and there's CRYPTIC.... :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 11, 2013, 07:32:52 pm
 :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:  Sunset it is, knew you'd get there in the end
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 11, 2013, 07:42:21 pm
Whew!, after that slog, something a little more gentle;

Graduates terminate around Holyhead, then take highway to Geordieland.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 11, 2013, 08:00:23 pm
Bash Mine Mash mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 11, 2013, 08:23:19 pm
Maskhill mine.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 11, 2013, 08:37:50 pm
There, wasn't that relaxing  :sleeping:

Over to you Droid :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 11, 2013, 08:55:56 pm
Got to go to work now. have another go, Bograt. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 11, 2013, 09:00:18 pm
I've got one  :alien:


Can't see what Holyhead had to do with the previous one though?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on June 11, 2013, 09:06:51 pm
MAs kill - around 'H' which is the 'head' or first letter of 'holy'...  giving Maskhill.

You need an MA at least to be able to do some of these!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 11, 2013, 09:36:31 pm
OK, another quickie;


Hartington on the passing of pater.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 12, 2013, 12:32:15 am
Dove Holes?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 12, 2013, 09:28:09 am
Not Dove Holes
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 13, 2013, 08:13:43 am
Devon something?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 13, 2013, 10:46:33 am
How about Dale Head?

Hartington - Bitter from Whim Brewery = ALE
On passing  - ie death, abbreviated = D
Pater, of family = HEAD
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 13, 2013, 12:21:56 pm
Nice try Andys, but no.
Crickleymal is sooooo close!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 13, 2013, 12:42:34 pm
Devon Consoles?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 13, 2013, 12:48:04 pm
Not quite, COPD.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 13, 2013, 01:22:45 pm
Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease?

Devonshire or Devon Great Consols
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 13, 2013, 01:36:14 pm
Devonshire Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 13, 2013, 01:58:21 pm
I think I'll give that one to Crickleymal since he did most of the work ;D

It is Devonshire, the title inherited by Peregrine, Lord Hartington when his father died.

Over to you Crickley :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 13, 2013, 02:30:34 pm
They say urge Morse's sidekick to the climber.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 13, 2013, 02:40:40 pm
Eglwys Faen?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 13, 2013, 03:04:44 pm
Eglwys Faen?

I obviously make these too easy for you. Carry on.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 13, 2013, 03:10:28 pm
Am I being thick?, where does faen = climber come from? :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 13, 2013, 03:40:50 pm
Am I being thick?, where does faen = climber come from? :shrug:

Faen pronounced vain - and we all know that climbers are described thus!  :)

Anyway, try this one.....

Support pair with crooked neck, then Dundee loses her soul.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 13, 2013, 04:12:43 pm
Am I being thick?, where does faen = climber come from? :shrug:

Faen pronounced vine and a vine is a climbing plant.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 13, 2013, 04:30:44 pm
Faen pronounced vine and a vine is a climbing plant.

Aah, didn't know thats how it was pronounced. :-[
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 14, 2013, 11:07:53 am
Support pair with crooked neck, then Dundee loses her soul.
No takers? Clue then - 7,4 NC1
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 14, 2013, 11:24:35 am
If anything that's even more cryptic than the clue!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 14, 2013, 11:33:20 am
Nay lad! Just means the answer is two words, of 7 and 4 letters respecively, and found in Northern Caves Vol 1!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 14, 2013, 12:52:48 pm
Been toying with Bracken Cave but can only make half of it fit  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 14, 2013, 01:44:26 pm
Bracken Cave it is

Supports pair = BRA
with
crooked NECK = CKEN

(Bonnie) Dundee, a.k.a James Graham, a.k.a. CLAVERHOUSE,
losing HER SOUL,
= CAVE

- over to you Bograt!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 14, 2013, 08:42:57 pm
Hmm, Claverhouse totally eluded me.

" Oriental vein punctures lose the way in France."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 15, 2013, 01:43:15 am
Hmm, Claverhouse totally eluded me.

" Oriental vein punctures lose the way in France."

Thinking about this, I think it should be fun for all, so I'll give an easier clue to the rest of you and ask the experts to explain the original to you; easier clue;
"Punctures in the ewer".
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 15, 2013, 07:02:33 am
Jug holes
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 15, 2013, 09:32:58 am
well, working back from Cavermark's answer, I assume Oriental = E, vein = JUGULAR, less LA RUE (=way in France) = JUG, and of course puctures=HOLES

though, to be pedantic, I think subtraction clues should take out letters in the specified order unless an anagram is indicated.  Still... rules, schmules
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 15, 2013, 02:27:26 pm
Well done both of you, I must admit Jason I did consider putting in an anagram indicator but I don't think there are that many ximeans on this thread  ::)

Over to you cavermark :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 15, 2013, 06:51:48 pm
Sounds like the reverse of cooking and slicing (7.4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 15, 2013, 07:57:27 pm
Roaring Hole  :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 15, 2013, 09:07:22 pm
Roaring Hole  :lol:

Correct  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 15, 2013, 11:15:29 pm
ok, another short one.....

M60 ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 16, 2013, 07:47:55 am
Manchester bypass?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 16, 2013, 10:03:31 am
Manchester bypass?

Indeed  :thumbsup: - though highway specialists might disagree....

over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 16, 2013, 11:30:00 am
Are passage names allowed as well as cave names, then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 16, 2013, 12:20:41 pm
Summon old soldier with urge for rebuilding
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 16, 2013, 09:50:06 pm
Are passage names allowed as well as cave names, then?

There are no rules, in Cryptic Caves, as in life  ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 16, 2013, 09:55:03 pm
Come on, someone make a guess. It's a lot easier than a lot of the horrors we've had.

Summon old soldier with urge for rebuilding
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 17, 2013, 06:47:08 am
Come on, someone make a guess. It's a lot easier than a lot of the horrors we've had.

Summon old soldier with urge for rebuilding
how many letters?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on June 17, 2013, 08:28:12 am
forget that... dislexic!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 17, 2013, 12:42:12 pm
Are passage names allowed as well as cave names, then?

There are no rules, in Cryptic Caves, as in life  ;)

The first rule of cryptic caves is fight club
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 17, 2013, 12:58:59 pm
call vet grue cave?    :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on June 17, 2013, 03:12:32 pm
Valley Entrance??  :doubt:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 17, 2013, 10:11:00 pm
Dunc has it. Anagram of call veteran yen

Cavermark was half way. Hadn't thought about the anagram marker ambiguity. I could have given word length, but (6,8) would have given it away straight away!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: danthecavingman on June 18, 2013, 12:02:00 am
What a mash up! Jules dopped an  ‘E’ on his journey to the centre of the Earth. We hear his Urine Test for Ketamine showed traces of element 98....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 18, 2013, 07:10:35 am
What a mash up! Jules dopped an  ‘E’ on his journey to the centre of the Earth. We hear his Urine Test for Ketamine showed traces of element 98....

Shouldn't you have put that in the "trip reports" section, Dan?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 18, 2013, 07:13:00 am
peak Cavern?  :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 18, 2013, 08:11:48 am
Isn't it Dunc's turn?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 18, 2013, 08:40:12 am
Hmmmm . . . I do the Observer crossword most weeks, and most weeks I manage to finish it; but the clues there are far less convoluted than those here!

I was under the impression that convention demands that if you set an anagram, then you give the actual words (i.e letters) contained in the answer, not those contained in the answer to the first part of the clue.

Still, I guess it's all innocent fun.  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 18, 2013, 09:00:37 am
Hmmmm . . . I do the Observer crossword most weeks, and most weeks I manage to finish it; but the clues there are far less convoluted than those here!

I was under the impression that convention demands that if you set an anagram, then you give the actual words (i.e letters) contained in the answer, not those contained in the answer to the first part of the clue.

Still, I guess it's all innocent fun.  :)

Convention possibly, but I don't think there are "rules" for cryptic crosswords? 

Re: next poster - should there a be a time limit before people can jump in? Or like with the "Wezzits" could people say "open floor" if they aren't going to put a clue up?

Dunc can go next perhaps...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on June 18, 2013, 10:59:18 am
I'll let dans run this time..

At work right now so haven't got time to think up some obscure clues!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 18, 2013, 11:18:22 am
Fulk - maybe clues need to be more convoluted here because we already know the theme of the answer?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on June 18, 2013, 12:22:04 pm
True, but if it's so convoluted that extra clues need to be provided does it not defeat the object a little? So far it's been a mixture of easier and harder clues, variety is always good..

Typically I thought of something easy not long after my last post, will wait for a free go some other time.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 18, 2013, 01:10:15 pm
Speedwell Cavern
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Alex on June 18, 2013, 01:15:25 pm
Its likely something that ends in CF so its going to be something in wales?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 18, 2013, 03:33:37 pm
Its likely something that ends in CF so its going to be something in wales?

Not necessarily, it could be the abbreviation for the state after which element 98  is named (indicated by "traces"), in which case I suspect cavermark has it, although if this is the case element 20 might have been less misleading. (Of course I may be wrong! :-[)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 18, 2013, 03:53:33 pm
I read it as Jules less E is vern(e) so might be something caVERN. Ketamine might be SPEED (if Fat Freddy and co. have taught me anything). Element 98 is Californium usually (in crosswords) abbreviated to CAL. Not quite sure how the urine test fits in as we have WEL left over
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 18, 2013, 05:36:04 pm
Jules dropped an E - VERN
Urine test - PEE
K etamine
CA lifornium

Disturbing that I know how Dan's mind works!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 18, 2013, 06:37:05 pm
Peek Cavern? Peak surely

Dan, what's the answer?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 18, 2013, 10:45:31 pm

Convention possibly, but I don't think there are "rules" for cryptic crosswords? 


Didn't Ximenes produce some rules? There's been quite a bit of controversy about Araucaria because he apparently does not obey the rules. To my mind, Araucaria can do no wrong (...chaste Lord Archer vegetating) so I've never paid attention to the arguments.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 18, 2013, 10:56:09 pm

Convention possibly, but I don't think there are "rules" for cryptic crosswords? 


Didn't Ximenes produce some rules? There's been quite a bit of controversy about Araucaria because he apparently does not obey the rules. To my mind, Araucaria can do no wrong (...chaste Lord Archer vegetating) so I've never paid attention to the arguments.

Nice to meet another Araucaria fan  :thumbsup:
He does get some flak for his libertarian approach, but 'indirect anagrams' are pretty much frowned on even by him, as Fulk remarks.
Still, I'm guessing there aren't many professional crossword setters on this forum, so let do as thou wilt be the whole of the law....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: danthecavingman on June 18, 2013, 11:19:15 pm
Mark has it,

Peak Cavern,

What a mash up! - mix up what follows
Jules dopped an  ‘E’ on his journey to the centre of the Earth - vern (-e)
We hear his Urine Test for - sounds like pee = pea
Ketamine - k
showed traces of element 98.... - Ca (Part of Californium - calcium would have been too obvious)

So Pea k Ca Vern - Peak Cavern it is indeed...

D.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 19, 2013, 08:39:47 am
We hear Widdecombe won't put her hand in her pocket..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 19, 2013, 09:08:52 am
Titan?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 19, 2013, 09:31:25 am
Titan?
Correct Andys
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 19, 2013, 09:55:28 am
Super duper! Try this one then....

Reversing the drills and give call for replanning.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 19, 2013, 11:31:25 am
Sleets Gill Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 19, 2013, 11:49:03 am
Spot on Bograt - over to you...

Solution:
Reversing = putting the letters in reverse order
the drills = steels = (when reversed) SLEETS
and
give call (source of letters)
for replanning (anagram indicator) = GILL CAVE.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 19, 2013, 12:03:07 pm
Thanks Andy;

Vacated for days, stupid left a mess.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on June 19, 2013, 12:35:56 pm
It looks so easy when you see an explained answer, then I see the next clue and again am totally stumped.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 19, 2013, 01:31:04 pm
Yordas Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 19, 2013, 03:46:12 pm
Back to you Andy,

" Vacated for days" = letters to play with
"Stupid left"             = "Daft" taken away
                                = "vacaedorys"
 "A mess"                 = anagram.                 
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 19, 2013, 05:24:00 pm
Try this one then:

Train genotype, down South from Manchester.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 19, 2013, 07:04:16 pm
Dan Yr Ogof?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 19, 2013, 07:44:56 pm
Not Danny.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on June 19, 2013, 08:48:00 pm
Shuttleworth Pot?  :doubt:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 19, 2013, 08:49:43 pm
Not Shuttleworth.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 20, 2013, 01:37:11 am
Would "Train" be anything to do with "PE"?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 20, 2013, 06:45:15 am
Would "Train" be anything to do with "PE"?

Nope - but you are on the right lines (no pun intended!)!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 20, 2013, 08:14:00 am
I figured that 'train' meant train the letters of genotype – i.e. DNA . . . hence Dan (though I couldn't account for Yr Ogof!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 20, 2013, 09:02:26 am
I figured that 'train' meant train the letters of genotype – i.e. DNA . . . hence Dan (though I couldn't account for Yr Ogof!)
You are heading in the right direction!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 20, 2013, 04:59:23 pm
Try this one then:

Train genotype, down South from Manchester.

Just bumping so we don't have keep flipping pages  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 20, 2013, 06:40:39 pm
Anagram of "genotype down" anyone?.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 20, 2013, 07:20:18 pm
New Goyden Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 20, 2013, 07:24:06 pm
 :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 20, 2013, 07:51:18 pm
OK folks try this:

Fishy thoughts of a sad woman

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 20, 2013, 08:13:57 pm
Assume it was New Goyden Andys?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 20, 2013, 08:22:50 pm
Well done Grahams and Bograt between you! :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

Solution:

Train = anagram indicator
"genotype down" = letters thereof (I'm a traditionalist so no double clues here!) = NEW GOYDEN POT
South from Manchester = a second clue, because Manchester in this case is of course Manchester Hole

Over to Grahams then for putting the final touches.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Alex on June 20, 2013, 10:34:06 pm
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Fishy thoughts of a sad woman

Tatham wife?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 21, 2013, 08:45:43 am
You're in the right region Alex. Hint: not an anagram.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on June 21, 2013, 09:09:03 am
Batty Wife   :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 21, 2013, 09:28:46 am
Marilyn?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 21, 2013, 09:41:53 am
Neither of those two. The woman in question has class.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 21, 2013, 10:01:35 am
Lady Blues Underwater Fantasy?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on June 21, 2013, 10:43:30 am
Lady Algetha Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 21, 2013, 04:25:12 pm
 :clap2:   That's the one Andys.

BTW sorry if I jumped in a bit too fast after New Goyden - didn't read the previous answers.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 21, 2013, 05:36:39 pm
Lady Blues Underwater Fantasy?
Where's that?  :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 21, 2013, 05:37:56 pm
In the Rawthey Valley, just north of Sedbergh. The entrance is underwater in a pool in the R. Rawthey.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 21, 2013, 05:40:21 pm
Super - try this one then: but be aware that I'm about to set off out and will be away all this coming weekend. So if someone "obviously" gets it then I'll let others judge if they should carry on........

Re-engineers a gap in stopes after flow of water.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 21, 2013, 05:46:00 pm
Stream Passage Pot ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 21, 2013, 06:01:15 pm
I reckon Fulk is right with that one;

" A gap, stopes" = "Passage pot" (anagram)

"Flow of water"  = "Stream"

What do others think?, shall we give it to him? :-\

BTW I had never heard of the Lady Blue thing but its a lovely clue to a lovely cave name! ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 21, 2013, 06:27:53 pm
Yes, give it to Fulk.

Lady Blue's isn't as well known as it should be. The cave has massive potential but is guarded by a long sump. The water is derived from the Clouds Gill and possibly Scandal Beck 3 miles to the NE and over 800 feet above. Rawthey Cave is on the opposite side of the river and it too has much potential.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavermark on June 21, 2013, 07:05:34 pm
Yes, give it to Fulk.

Lady Blue's isn't as well known as it should be. The cave has massive potential but is guarded by a long sump. The water is derived from the Clouds Gill and possibly Scandal Beck 3 miles to the NE and over 800 feet above. Rawthey Cave is on the opposite side of the river and it too has much potential.
Interesting stuff - thanks
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 21, 2013, 07:16:41 pm
OK, lets be democratic about this, any objections to letting Fulk have it? I'll give it a while until I have had my dinner  :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 21, 2013, 07:43:45 pm
Hi cavermark,

Check out the KCC 50th anniversary publication for the derivation on the cave's name. :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 21, 2013, 08:10:36 pm
Had my dinner now, looks like its passed "nem con" ( nobody against), go for it Fulk!! :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 21, 2013, 08:23:34 pm
Ecclesiastical valley comes before judge's hammer.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on June 21, 2013, 08:29:51 pm
Bishopdale Gavel Pots?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 21, 2013, 08:46:21 pm
6 min 17 sec . . . well done Dunc! :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on June 21, 2013, 08:58:56 pm
I figured there couldn't be many places with gavel in the name, took a few minutes head scratching to get the right valley though!

Here we go:

It sounds like this honey producer wants a carbon free form of transport, afterwards it might opt to be confused.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 21, 2013, 09:06:46 pm
Bar Pot?

B(ee) Car without C, opt (anag)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on June 21, 2013, 09:26:06 pm
Spot on Kay, over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 21, 2013, 09:33:21 pm
Must say that was one of the highest clue length:answer length ratios that I've seen!
hang on a few minutes while I work something out.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 21, 2013, 09:38:45 pm
Ok, here you go:

Second rate flower found on topless fell
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 22, 2013, 06:39:22 pm
Ellerbeck Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 22, 2013, 09:01:36 pm
Ellerbeck Hole?

No. As a matter of interest, how did you get there?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 23, 2013, 09:05:11 am
It was a long shot. ell - topless fell, beck - small (second rate) river as in flowing water.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 23, 2013, 10:13:37 am
The logic was good; it was the selection of answers that was wrong.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 24, 2013, 03:02:11 pm
Little Hull Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 24, 2013, 05:07:44 pm
Not Little Hull Pot.

8 letters (and I suppose you should add after it one of the usual words to describe a subterranean feature)
It doesn't involve an anagram.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 24, 2013, 05:50:58 pm
Sell Gill ?.... without much conviction ...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 24, 2013, 06:25:12 pm
Meregill maybe?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 25, 2013, 06:21:20 am
Beckside Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on June 25, 2013, 07:39:06 am
unfortunately speedwell (cavern) has 9 letters
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 25, 2013, 09:11:38 am
None right yet.

Meregill and Sellgill are nearest so far.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 25, 2013, 09:18:11 am
Browgill then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 25, 2013, 09:41:34 pm
Yep.

Second rate: B
Flower = river = R
Topless Howgill Fells
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on June 25, 2013, 10:18:29 pm
Didn't get that one even with the answer and the explanation.   :-[
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 25, 2013, 10:41:05 pm
Didn't get that one even with the answer and the explanation.   :-[
Second rate flower found on topless fell

Second rate + B (eg B team not A team)
Flower is a nasty device in cryptic crosswords which I don't like, but since everyone else's clues are so difficult, I felt justified in using it - if you pronounce it not as "flower" but as "flow - er", ie a thing that flows, you get river, and river is abbreviated to R.
Howgill Fells - take the "top" off, ie remove the first letter, and you get owgill: B R owgill.

You would have had Bruntscar, but I couldn't think of a concise clue for "untscar".

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 25, 2013, 11:07:30 pm
Wondered where the "owgill" came from, never heard of Howgill  Fells! :-[
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on June 25, 2013, 11:45:24 pm
You and me bograt!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 26, 2013, 12:25:54 am
The Howgill Fells are the group of hills between the Dales and the Lakes - the ones just to the east of the M6 when you drive north from the Kendal area....

Anyway, have a try at this one.....

Could be flying, could be a diode.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 26, 2013, 08:14:49 am
Quote
but I couldn't think of a concise clue for "untscar".

I think I could!! :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 26, 2013, 08:15:25 am
I'd quibble with the use of fell in the clue. It's not normally done to have part of the answer given in the clue in plain view IYSWIM. However as I've never heard of the cave or the fell it's a moot point as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 26, 2013, 09:20:48 am
Jib Tunnel?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 26, 2013, 09:51:33 am
Spot on Grahams - over to you!

Solution: a jib is a sail on a ship, one type of which is called a flying jib; and diodes come in various types, one of which is a tunnel diode.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on June 26, 2013, 10:14:38 am
aah, thanks Kay.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 26, 2013, 10:23:26 am
I'd quibble with the use of fell in the clue. It's not normally done to have part of the answer given in the clue in plain view IYSWIM. However as I've never heard of the cave or the fell it's a moot point as far as I'm concerned.

Where in the answer ("Browgill") is the word "Fell"? :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 26, 2013, 12:56:36 pm
I'd quibble with the use of fell in the clue. It's not normally done to have part of the answer given in the clue in plain view IYSWIM. However as I've never heard of the cave or the fell it's a moot point as far as I'm concerned.

Where in the answer ("Browgill") is the word "Fell"? :shrug:

Howgill Fells. Ok the word fell isn't in the answer I misread that somehow. :kiss2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 26, 2013, 06:07:48 pm
Quote
but I couldn't think of a concise clue for "untscar".

I think I could!! :)

Yes, but I'm a lady!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 26, 2013, 06:10:19 pm
I'd quibble with the use of fell in the clue. It's not normally done to have part of the answer given in the clue in plain view IYSWIM. However as I've never heard of the cave or the fell it's a moot point as far as I'm concerned.

But "fell" isn't part of the answer, it's a descriptor of the Howgills, so it's legit.

Oops, sorry, just seen your other post.

For those who haven't heard of it, Browgill is one of the standard "novice" caves in the Dales - it's where you get to if you drop down Calf Holes and slither through Hainsworth passage. But I find it more exciting to enter through Browgill and then suddenly come upon open sky and a cascading waterfall. My first trip was in mid winter, with the waterfall a mass of icicles, absolutely beautiful.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 26, 2013, 07:07:37 pm
Quote
My first trip was in mid winter, with the waterfall a mass of icicles, absolutely beautiful.

Straying off-topic, as usual, but the above comment reminded me of a trip there when Calf Holes was (were?) completely covered in snow, so we went through from Browgill and sure enough, at the foot of the entrance pitch we could just discern our surroundings by the ghostly light filtering down. I never did find out if anyone had tried (unwittingly) to walk across the top!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 26, 2013, 07:38:12 pm
This should be easy -

Long John's injury was so severe that he needed one of these, not one of these.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 26, 2013, 07:47:18 pm
Pegleg pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 26, 2013, 08:14:14 pm
I like it (I'm sure Bitterend has got it right!).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 27, 2013, 08:20:56 am
That's it TheBitterEnd. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 10:41:09 am
Startling sound slays fish in timeless hotel?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 27, 2013, 11:13:06 am
Growling Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 12:32:30 pm
Not Growling
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 27, 2013, 12:41:10 pm
Using Andys' logic - Rumbling Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 01:01:46 pm
Not Rumbling
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Alex on June 27, 2013, 01:02:00 pm
Bangkish hole? (Made that up, but you never know!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 27, 2013, 01:37:04 pm
Roaring then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 02:18:05 pm
Bangkish hole? (Made that up, but you never know!)

Oh yes you do!

Not Roaring either. 

 :smartass: May be I ought to ask you to show your working since we seem to be just running through a list of audible caves  :smartass:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on June 27, 2013, 04:34:26 pm
Well, I've just run through all the "holes" (anag hotel -t=time) in cavemaps without hitting inspiration. Brief wonder about "echo" but that's a startled noise "oh 'eck" rather than a startling one, and I couldn't find the fish. Pan holes would kill the fish (whatever the state they enter the frying pan, not many get out alive). Googling on: hole cave -wookey   didn't get me far either, so that's me done.
Ling for the fish does seem very tempting but is probably a red herring.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on June 27, 2013, 05:04:38 pm
Jingling Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 05:12:01 pm
hoehlenforscher has it.

Startling indicates start and as a side effect has Ling
sound slays - homophone indicator for sleigh and has "sound"
sleigh sound = jingle
start of jingle + fish = Jingling

Hotel less T  gives Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 27, 2013, 05:21:43 pm
Blood yell, that's far too convoluted! And there's no indication that 'hotel minus t' is an anagram. :spank:

And why does 'startling' indicate start; I figured the guys going for roaring or rumbling were on the right tracks with a startling sound.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 05:37:43 pm
It's really tough knowing where to pitch it, there seem to be some fairly high caliber crossword solvers on here and it seems that lots of other people got Hole from timeless hotel.

I have to say that I thought "slay" near "sound" was enough to make it fairly obvious...

Each to his own.

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 27, 2013, 06:59:20 pm
Yes . . . BUT you wanna have your cake and eat it!! See, 'slays fish' – so, knock 'ling' out of starling and you get start . . . but the clue goes on to re-use 'sound slays' as sleighs, which is jingle . . . I don't think that kosher crosswords double up on clues like  that . . . and, as I said, there's no indication that 'hoel' was an anagram (maybe it's the Welsh pronunciation 'hoe-el' for hole :))
 :tease: :tease:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 27, 2013, 07:11:11 pm
Yes . . . BUT you wanna have your cake and eat it!! See, 'slays fish' – so, knock 'ling' out of starling and you get start . . . but the clue goes on to re-use 'sound slays' as sleighs, which is jingle . . . I don't think that kosher crosswords double up on clues like  that . . . and, as I said, there's no indication that 'hoel' was an anagram (maybe it's the Welsh pronunciation 'hoe-el' for hole :))
 :tease: :tease:
It can't have been too bad a clue as hoehlenforscher managed to crack it, clever lad. As far as I know, it's usual to use 'sounds like' for homophones in crosswords but I'm no expert. Anyway, it probably drove a bit of traffic to CaveMaps.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 27, 2013, 07:15:41 pm
I tend to agree with Fulk about the convolution, maybe hoehlenforscher can enlighten us as to how he reached his answer?

Anyway, hoehlenforscher, its your turn :), welcome to the maelstrom :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 27, 2013, 07:53:20 pm
I suspect that hoehlenforscher managed to crack it by inspired guess-work rather than logical deduction. ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 27, 2013, 07:56:41 pm
Suspicion is not a nice thing  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on June 27, 2013, 08:46:10 pm
I suspect that hoehlenforscher managed to crack it by inspired guess-work rather than logical deduction. ;)

How dare you insinuate such a thing  :furious: :-[ :lol:

Anyway, I was on the right track like several others and once some of the obvious ones had been taken out of the running it became pretty obvious and was just a matter of making the clues fit the cave! Anyway, I guess I get to have a go now which is a worry as I have no idea of the convention and usually struggle on the cryptic puzzles. So bear with me. It will probably be very simple
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on June 27, 2013, 08:54:22 pm
So, a real easy one.

Lisa's family kept a stash
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 08:59:41 pm
Simpson Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on June 27, 2013, 09:12:46 pm
DOH. As i said, it would be an easy one. Over to you TBE
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 09:24:41 pm
Oh so tempting to wind up Fulk some more  :alien:

fulks famous forerunner foregoes fourth for fourteenth forming feathered fisher
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 27, 2013, 09:33:03 pm
Hmm, would there be a "d" replacing an "n" in there or vice versa?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on June 27, 2013, 09:47:40 pm
Heron pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 10:02:02 pm
Heron it is, well done.

That wasn't so bad was it? Hope I escaped being sent to the Gulags for re-education
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 27, 2013, 10:25:07 pm
I understand the feathered fisher, what is the rest of it all about?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 27, 2013, 10:34:18 pm
At risk of getting told off again...

Fulk was king of Jerusalem, as was Herod; less D plus N
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on June 27, 2013, 10:37:49 pm
 :bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 27, 2013, 10:40:01 pm
Aah, I didn't know that, :) :)
( You damn polymath!!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on June 27, 2013, 10:40:38 pm
probably too obvious but...

vicious fish at the start of daybreak, the start of a disaster before claiming ownership, muddled part (s) of Yorkshire with a malfunction.



Herod (d=4, n=14)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 27, 2013, 10:43:56 pm
Pikedaw calamine caverns?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 27, 2013, 10:48:01 pm
Pikedaw Calamine Cavern (posted at the same time as above; honest!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on June 27, 2013, 10:54:53 pm
looks like bograt to me
(and he put the 's' in)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 27, 2013, 11:01:06 pm
 ;D ;D Ta very much :)

"Arranged meeting in hell, choose not to go"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 28, 2013, 08:16:54 am
Magnetometer Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 28, 2013, 08:38:21 am
Disappointment Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 28, 2013, 08:45:41 am
:bow: :bow: :bow:

Thank you Roger
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 28, 2013, 09:49:31 am
Over to you Andys;

                         Hell  = Dis
Arragement to meet = Appointment
Choose not to go     = Opt out = Pot (anag.) 
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 28, 2013, 10:14:48 am
Sorry - but why does hell = dis?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 28, 2013, 10:18:49 am
Super duper. Try this one then....

"Taps onto a rent review for old yardage behind facade of depot."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 28, 2013, 10:37:19 am
Flood Entrance Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 28, 2013, 10:52:36 am
Not Flood Entrance 
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on June 28, 2013, 11:06:09 am
Sorry - but why does hell = dis?

from Wikipedia...

"Dis (Divine Comedy), the fictional city in The Divine Comedy that contains the lower circles of hell and alternate name for Lucifer"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 28, 2013, 01:16:17 pm
I seem to recall a place called "Paternoster Pot" or am I dreaming it? :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 28, 2013, 01:38:11 pm
... not one I've heard of. And not the answer either....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Ian Adams on June 28, 2013, 02:05:24 pm
Meregill Pot ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 28, 2013, 02:15:56 pm
...not Meregill.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on June 28, 2013, 03:35:38 pm
Bath Swallet - Rods Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 28, 2013, 03:51:36 pm
....not Bath Swallet - Rods Pot, or anywhere else in Mendip come to that!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 28, 2013, 04:21:38 pm
Floyds Entrance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 28, 2013, 04:50:19 pm
Patterns Pot? Transept Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 28, 2013, 05:50:43 pm
Not Floyds, Patterns or Transept - can't even find these last two in any of my books and neither can my mate Mr G. O'Ogle: have you made them up? :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 28, 2013, 07:03:53 pm
Of course I have, but then I've not heard of 95% of the other caves in this thread. Pattern's Pot at least sounds plausible.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 28, 2013, 07:48:19 pm
I seem to recall a place called "Paternoster Pot" or am I dreaming it? :-\ :-\

Aah, the benefits (or otherwise) of Beer & Brandy, I did used to go caving, but now I just dream about the past I used to enjoy. It was Pitlamp that persuaded me to bring back my experience!! >:( ::) ::) ::)
 Whether its an advantage to Derbyshire Caving or not, its up to you to decide, but I did start this thread and it seems to be popular ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 28, 2013, 08:52:02 pm
Could it be 'something Fathom Pot/Cave'?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 28, 2013, 09:32:59 pm
Not fathom - but you're on the right lines so if you cut your cloth correctly.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Ian Adams on June 28, 2013, 10:38:05 pm
Taps  "knock",  Old Yardage = "Ell"

Rent review has something to do with an "F" ?

Knock fell cavern? (long shot I know)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 28, 2013, 10:45:20 pm
I thought of KFC, but couldn't make it work...

Could 'old yardage behind facade of depot' be DELL ?  Are there any something Dell caves ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 28, 2013, 11:47:11 pm
Not Knock Fell - though you're in the correct series of books, albeit the wrong volume.

And to help further, its what I think is called a "letter series clue" where the phrases of the clue, in order, spell out the answer, also in order.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 29, 2013, 04:34:23 pm
Super duper. Try this one then....

"Taps onto a rent review for old yardage behind facade of depot."

just bumping onto this page, it drives me mad having to flip pages to see the original clue! :wall:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 29, 2013, 07:45:16 pm
Hhhmmm. Methinks I may need to give an additional clue!

Its in NC3 and the first word is 10 letters long....... well that should narrow it down a bit!

But anyone guessing now really ought to show some of their workings!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 29, 2013, 08:03:45 pm
My NC Volume 3 is Ingleborough (1975), am I at a disadvantage??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 29, 2013, 08:16:26 pm
My NC Volume 3 is Ingleborough (1975), am I at a disadvantage??
If you are then so am I - CaveMaps v3 contains Knock Fell Caverns, not the vol. according to Andys.
I bet the answer is something like Frustration Pot.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 29, 2013, 09:06:48 pm
Its in NC3 and the first word is 10 letters long....... well that should narrow it down a bit!

But anyone guessing now really ought to show some of their workings!

Well, if NC3 is Three Counties, and if Cave Maps is to be relied on (and it surely is), then I can only find three caves whose first name has 10 letters: Apprentice, Bruntskill and Broadfield, none of which appear to bear any relation to the clue.

And trying to apply the "letter series" hint comes up with toarrfoybfod or possibly soatwrdedeft  :-\
... might be onto something if it was in Wales  :D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on June 29, 2013, 09:07:48 pm
Hackergill Pot?

Hack(ing) is tapping in to something. A gill is an old measurement, not sure how it relates to yards. Behind facade of depot, so I guess remove front of (de) to get pot..   :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 29, 2013, 09:36:03 pm
Sh*t sh*t sh*t - sincerest apologies guys. Just realised that I wrote NC3 from the "old" series when it should be NC2 in the "modern" series  :chair: :chair: :chair: :chair:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 30, 2013, 10:06:07 am
C H + anter + ell + (de)pot
Chanterell Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 30, 2013, 10:15:42 am
Bingo!! - you can have that one Bograt - even though you're one letter out with the spelling 'cos it should be.... CH - anter - ell - (d)e pot   :clap2: :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 30, 2013, 10:27:59 am
Aah, 11 letters then  :lol:

Redhead loses her ruler where the fish lurks.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 30, 2013, 10:30:05 am
Gingling?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 30, 2013, 10:33:40 am
Hmm, 2 minutes, couldn't you type any faster? ;D ;D

Over to you Bitterend
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 30, 2013, 05:07:05 pm
Apologies for the tardy response, I just caught that before I went out. Anyway:

Oxford boy confused by loss of car now owned be me.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 30, 2013, 05:56:07 pm
Blue John Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 30, 2013, 06:20:36 pm
box mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 30, 2013, 06:23:05 pm
Bingo!! - you can have that one Bograt - even though you're one letter out with the spelling 'cos it should be.... CH - anter - ell - (d)e pot   :clap2: :clap2:
I'm probably being really thick but how do you get CH?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 30, 2013, 06:38:43 pm
box mine?

over to you grahams
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 30, 2013, 06:46:35 pm
I think that your clue was A over T – ox-b rather than b-ox  :ras:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 30, 2013, 07:04:23 pm
Bingo!! - you can have that one Bograt - even though you're one letter out with the spelling 'cos it should be.... CH - anter - ell - (d)e pot   :clap2: :clap2:
I'm probably being really thick but how do you get CH?

Cold and Hot water taps :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on June 30, 2013, 07:17:41 pm
I think that your clue was A over T – ox-b rather than b-ox  :ras:

... confused ...

  8)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 30, 2013, 08:04:43 pm
Makes gin with a bay.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 30, 2013, 08:52:29 pm
Juniper Gulf ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 30, 2013, 10:37:04 pm
I think that your clue was A over T – ox-b rather than b-ox 

Quote from: TheBitterEnd on Today at 04:07:05 pm
... confused ...

  Yeah, well, maybe 'Oxford boy confused by loss of car' should've been 'Oxford boy confused after loss of car'
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 01, 2013, 08:22:19 am
Juniper Gulf ?
That's it JasonC. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 01, 2013, 12:18:32 pm
Thanks, good clue, by the way!


Try this:
Bush greeting Superman with pea soup in child's bed
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 01, 2013, 09:46:52 pm
Yo!  Kent,

With pea (soup) = hwaite p

Childs bed           = c - - ot     

Yo-c-kent-hwaite P-ot  :smartass:

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 01, 2013, 10:58:40 pm
What happened to the bush?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: barrabus on July 01, 2013, 11:02:34 pm
What happened to the bush?

Bush greeting = Yo

As in George Bush...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo,_Blair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo,_Blair)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 01, 2013, 11:04:11 pm
Congratulations Bograt - I hoped that would keep everyone scratching their head a bit longer !  :thumbsup:

Fulk,  'Yo' was 'Bush greeting' in honour of Dubya's greeting to Tony picked up by a hot mike at a the start of a press conference: "Yo, Blair"  *

Anyway, back to you once again, Bograt


* <edit> what Barrabus said
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 02, 2013, 09:56:18 am
Drive opens to river, raise masculine issues.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 02, 2013, 05:21:28 pm
Nidd Head Rising?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 02, 2013, 05:25:28 pm
Not Nidd
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 02, 2013, 05:51:31 pm
This is going to sound like I'm firing off half guessed answers! I am!
How about Chapman's Rising?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 02, 2013, 06:56:47 pm
??? Naah.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 02, 2013, 07:47:51 pm
I don't quite know why but Knacker Trapper Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 02, 2013, 07:51:47 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:, - -Kno, knot KT.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 03, 2013, 08:29:34 am
Douse poord pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 03, 2013, 10:01:46 am
Douse poord pot?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 03, 2013, 12:34:44 pm
Nope  :lol:, I don't think I'll give you a clue yet, your guesses are far too amusing!  :lol: :lol: :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 03, 2013, 12:45:19 pm
Masculine issue = Your D*cks Not Level"
Remove various letters as suggested by rest of clue, gives

Yourds Level

Is that it? ::) ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 03, 2013, 01:22:37 pm
No r and an e in Youdes, incorrect I'm afraid   :confused:

Correct region though.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 03, 2013, 03:48:58 pm
Ah so it's darn sarf - Percy's Resurgence Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 03, 2013, 04:24:29 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol:, WTF is Percy's ???, never heard of it, and how did you get there? :-\ keep the innuendoes coming guys, You will be as surprised as I was when it went this far !! :) :) :)
Still, it entertains the "watchers". :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 03, 2013, 07:01:39 pm
:lol: :lol: :lol:, WTF is Percy's ???, never heard of it, and how did you get there? :-\ keep the innuendoes coming guys, You will be as surprised as I was when it went this far !! :) :) :)
Still, it entertains the "watchers". :thumbsup:
Percy's Resurgence Cave is a well known cave of great potential (not) in Miller's Dale. I take it you haven't seen the classic (of it's type) late 60's film Percy starring Hywel Bennett.
You might have detected a bit of desperation regarding this one. Any more clues?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 03, 2013, 07:32:25 pm
This is a long shot...

 is it Longshot Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 04, 2013, 04:07:17 am
This is a long shot...

 is it Longshot Cave?

Why would it be?

OK, a clue;
  COPD, letters = 2, 8, some dispute whether its a mine, cave or pot so that is not included in the clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 04, 2013, 06:33:46 am
Dr Jackson's?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 04, 2013, 08:39:00 am
Quote
COPD, letters = 2, 8

I'm still baffled with the 'clue'; where does COPD come from?

Is it Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease [Cave]?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 04, 2013, 09:14:09 am
Quote
COPD, letters = 2, 8

I'm still baffled with the 'clue'; where does COPD come from?

Is it Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease [Cave]?
I'm mystified by 'opens to river' in the clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 04, 2013, 10:08:32 am
Quote
COPD, letters = 2, 8

I'm still baffled with the 'clue'; where does COPD come from?

Is it Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease [Cave]?

COPD = Caves Of the Peak District so thats the book you'll find it it.  :)

And I suspect the rest of it goes like....

"Drives open" means take the first letter of Drives, ie a "D", onto means in front of, and "river " becomes its normal abbreviation which is an "R" - hence "DR" at the start of the answer.

For the rest, "raise" = "JACK" (as in to 'raise up' or 'jack up' something) and "masculine issue" becomes "SONS".
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 04, 2013, 01:51:57 pm
Well done andys, the letter count was a bit of a give away but your explanation cannot be faulted ;D
Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 04, 2013, 02:16:15 pm
Here we go then, have a crack at this.....

"Kremlin evicts Lib Dem leaders after forty seconds without using Rolex."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 04, 2013, 02:48:36 pm
Keld Head?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 04, 2013, 03:23:50 pm
....nope!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 04, 2013, 05:07:15 pm
Rolex camera "B"stop = 40seconds
Without                      = Lack
Leaders                      = K E L D

??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 04, 2013, 07:37:37 pm
Well done bograt. I guessed it must be Black Keld but could not get the Black bit no matter how I tried. I was looking at XL (Roman 40) and removing it from Rolex, perhaps with an S from seconds. But didn't make sense. Your explanation is spot on. Must be correct.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 04, 2013, 07:40:09 pm
Wrong answer but right result! Black Keld it is but not by the means quoted.

My Rolex was a watch not a camera - anyone wanna guess how? Or should I kiss and tell?

Or should we just let Bograt get on with it?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 04, 2013, 07:55:19 pm
Go on, tell us.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 04, 2013, 08:11:41 pm
Oh go on then!

If you'd Googled forty second, by writing it thus "42nd" (and especially if you'd added "watch" from the Rolex clue) you'd have quickly encountered the 42nd Regiment of Foot, the Royal Highlanders, a.k.a the Black Watch. And if you'd have removed the Rolex from that you'd have ended up with Black. And the rest is history, or as I prefer to call it, Bograts go!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 04, 2013, 08:38:22 pm
Yeh, I wasn't happy with the "b" stop=40secs.
 OK, see how long this one lasts;

Music party so out of it, dance half cut.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 04, 2013, 09:08:01 pm
Diccan (pot)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 04, 2013, 10:36:42 pm
Didn't think it would last long ;D
Would you care to explain it to the others before your go andys?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 04, 2013, 11:09:53 pm
'Twas, I believe

Music party = DISCO
so out of it, = DI-C-
dance = CAN CAN
half cut = CAN ---
Thus DICCAN

Try this one then - and it better not last long 'cos I'm away all weekend!

"Tigers ten cast spell on grass"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 04, 2013, 11:33:16 pm
Quote
If you'd Googled forty second, by writing it thus "42nd" (and especially if you'd added "watch" from the Rolex clue) you'd have quickly encountered the 42nd Regiment of Foot, the Royal Highlanders, a.k.a the Black Watch. And if you'd have removed the Rolex from that you'd have ended up with Black. And the rest is history, or as I prefer to call it, Bograts go!

No, No, it's far too convoluted. That ain't a kosher crossword clue!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 05, 2013, 09:15:13 am
Casterton Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 05, 2013, 09:45:44 am
....not Casterton.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 05, 2013, 01:53:52 pm

Try this one then - and it better not last long 'cos I'm away all weekend!

"Tigers ten cast spell on grass"

I'm about to set off, so if someone guesses right - and they'll know because Tobias  :) will tell them - then just carry on regardless.......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on July 05, 2013, 02:23:35 pm
Flood Entrance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on July 05, 2013, 04:52:20 pm
Gritstone Pot? 

But I don't know where the "o" comes from!


Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on July 06, 2013, 01:40:13 am
Having discussed it with Maj, we think I was right:

Tigers ten: (toby) Flood
Casts spell: En Trance
On Grass: Pot

So here goes - first one, be gentle...

Jimmy's citrus plantation drink without a painful exclamation to an alien

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 06, 2013, 07:18:14 pm
You may well be but I still don't understand why Tigers ten = Flood. The only Toby I know is the Frosties one.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 06, 2013, 07:52:15 pm
You may well be but I still don't understand why Tigers ten = Flood. The only Toby I know is the Frosties one.
Me too.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 06, 2013, 07:58:19 pm
You may well be but I still don't understand why Tigers ten = Flood. The only Toby I know is the Frosties one.

Leicester Tigers rugby club, Fly Half, number 10, also England fly half, Google It!!, ( I knew that but didn't relate), good clue, good answer :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 06, 2013, 08:09:39 pm

Try this one then - and it better not last long 'cos I'm away all weekend!

"Tigers ten cast spell on grass"

I'm about to set off, so if someone guesses right - and they'll know because Tobias  :) will tell them - then just carry on regardless.......

Hint,  Erm.--- "Tobias" = "Toby"?????
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 06, 2013, 08:17:28 pm
You may well be but I still don't understand why Tigers ten = Flood. The only Toby I know is the Frosties one.

Surely thats "Tony the Tiger??". (You sure don't know your Frosties :)).  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 06, 2013, 08:24:45 pm
So here goes - first one, be gentle...

Jimmy's citrus plantation drink without a painful exclamation to an alien
Anyway, bump the latest clue, as its a fresh page :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 07, 2013, 09:46:40 pm
St Cuthberts Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on July 08, 2013, 10:53:36 am
Not Cuthbert's...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 08, 2013, 10:57:38 am
Sidcot Swallet?

Jimmy (Sid James?)
Cot (small plantation for shelter of cattle)
Swallet (Swallow without OW and with ET)

Not sure where the citrus fits in so I may be barking up the wrong tree!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on July 08, 2013, 12:13:45 pm
Wrong tree, wrong jimmy...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 08, 2013, 12:47:03 pm
Hillgrove Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 08, 2013, 01:18:02 pm
Seville  (Saville) Orange Swallet.  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on July 08, 2013, 03:13:15 pm
andys has it:

Jimmy - Hill
Citrus plantation - Grove
Drink without a painful exclamation to an alien - Swallet

Perhaps two team-sport related clues in a row put some of you off...?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 08, 2013, 03:27:21 pm
Nope - I quite like team sports (except football, hockey, cricket, basketball, F1, rugby league, water polo, netball............).

Have a go at this one:

"Pip's story - a novel way to name a cave!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 08, 2013, 04:03:38 pm
Great Expectations?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 08, 2013, 11:10:28 pm
That's it in one - over to you Grahams.......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 09, 2013, 12:20:19 am
First thing I thought of but then I thought it was too obvious, baffled by simplicity! :'(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 09, 2013, 08:19:19 am
Here's another that shouldn't be too hard:

 :o with 3 doubles.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 09, 2013, 11:15:48 am
Gaping Gill (ghyll) ??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 09, 2013, 01:50:12 pm
It's yours Bograt - over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 09, 2013, 02:59:49 pm
Cheers Graham;

Scampi, losing point four out of five, confuses god by inverting zenith.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 10, 2013, 04:36:24 pm
Come on folks, no guesses, no clues >:(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 10, 2013, 06:10:19 pm
That's cos we haven't worked out the answer yet, but aint going to be defeated!

Best I've come up with so far is Palfrey Pot (NC1 but never heard of it before) but [email protected] if I can make "Scampi" into "PL" ! :doubt: :doubt: :doubt:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 10, 2013, 10:24:10 pm
Come on folks, no guesses, no clues >:(

That's the  trouble with being cleverer than everyone else - you've no-one to play with ;)

Well, if you completely ignore the first half of the clue, you could get Dog Hole (assuming hole=inverting zenith, but it's probably not :()

So far, I've got Scampi losing point = campi, four out of five =camp (or less likely, ampi), but I've not heard of a Camp Dog Hole or anything similar
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on July 10, 2013, 10:55:05 pm
Well, if you completely ignore the first half of the clue, you could get Dog Hole (assuming hole=inverting zenith, but it's probably not :()

I assumed zenith = Top so inverting gives pot...

however, that's as far as I got...  :unsure:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 11, 2013, 12:10:49 am
Well I'm assuming that the clue reads something like

"Scampi losing point" is something like "prawn" but without one of the points of the compass, so either PRAN or PRAW (but it could be shrimp or lobster come to that)
"four out of five" is to remove four - i.e IV in roman numerals - from FIVE to get FE
"confuses god" is one of the old gods, like Ra or Odin, but anagramificated, and then
"inverted zenith" simply means TOP backwards ie POT.

So that sort of makes PRANFEAR POT, which (interestingly) is the name to be applied to my new discovery next weekend, in the Oxlow area, just to get the answer to this clue......

 
 
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 11, 2013, 01:10:00 am
 :lol: :lol: :lol:, Ok guys, you have given me enough entertainment,  A Clue;

 Scampi = "Dublin Bay Prawns" ----??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 11, 2013, 10:17:27 am
Langcliffe Pot then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 11, 2013, 12:12:48 pm
Close, but no cigar (yet) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 11, 2013, 01:33:43 pm
Langstroth Pot

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 11, 2013, 01:37:44 pm
But cannot for life of me see how four out of five can switch OUS to ST?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 11, 2013, 02:32:33 pm
All yours hoelen.

   Langoustine - take out point - N - four of the five vowels - eiou = langst
   Confused god - Thor                                                                    = roth
   Zenith - top - inverted                                                                 = pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 11, 2013, 03:59:05 pm
AHHA, I took out the point - as in "Tine"....  to leave Langous and the THOR bit was easy enough. Never mind. I very rarely 100% get the crossword clues in the papers and have to work backwards to find out why something fits...

Good, another simple one from me then.

Bomb dropped from Top of the Pops together with added sulphur with a sounding hole in Warwick Avenue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 12, 2013, 10:55:36 am
Carlswark cavern??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 12, 2013, 12:45:42 pm
Nope! Come south and west
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 12, 2013, 01:09:50 pm
Read's Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 12, 2013, 03:10:07 pm
North and west!
Bograt had the first letter of both words correct. I am off to the SWCC hut in an hour or so, so will have to give it to you before I leave.

It will be on my right as I head up the heads of the valleys! Just checked on the map and it appears to have 1 less "S" than I have given it. Sorry
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 12, 2013, 03:18:58 pm
Gottabe Chartist Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 12, 2013, 03:23:12 pm
Gottabe Chartist Cave?

Reckon you're right if Hoeleforster don't get back!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 12, 2013, 03:42:40 pm
Correct..

Top of the pops = Chart Hits
H Bomb dropped, but together with S from Sulphur = Chartists (OK so it is Chartist Cave!)
Kave is in Warwick Avenue and sounds like cave!

Over to Grahams....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 12, 2013, 04:08:58 pm
Thanks hoehlenforscher and Andys

Here we go again:

"This doggy has stripes so it sound's like it's ...."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 12, 2013, 05:29:43 pm
.....retched a rabbit?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 12, 2013, 06:15:35 pm
Ha, Ha, no but you're in the right NC.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 13, 2013, 08:34:54 am
Barkin Pot then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 13, 2013, 09:12:55 am
Not Barkin

Sorry folks but I'm an occasional twit with my apostrophes. 'sound's like' should be 'sounds like' i.e. standard crosswordese.

For that and to keep things moving, here's a mega-clue:

Think 1980's children's literature.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 13, 2013, 09:59:47 am
How about "Step (stripe?) + Spot (doggy)" + Steps Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 13, 2013, 10:53:22 am
Very warm in selection of literature but I'm a bit negative about the location.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 13, 2013, 11:22:15 am
Well I suppose a "craftsman" could be said to have earned their stripes - So how about Craftsmans?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 14, 2013, 08:25:27 am
Not Craftman.

Andys was very close with (Where's) Spot, the kid's book series, and very close in location with (Marble) Steps Pot.

5, 3 words, and it's a wordplay clue, not an anagram. Feel free to groan when you get it.

"This doggy has stripes so it sounds like it's ...."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 14, 2013, 08:37:19 am
Notts Pot ??   (going by geography rather than puzzling skills...)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 14, 2013, 10:20:25 am
Notts Pot ??   (going by geography rather than puzzling skills...)

Well its got to be that, or Large or Hunts - but I'm going for Large 'cos other wise the answer has "S pot" in it and my guess there was considered "close" rather than "correct". Though how you get Large Pot from the clue is beyond me!  :unsure: :unsure:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 14, 2013, 12:18:01 pm
Notts Pot ??   (going by geography rather than puzzling skills...)

Well, if he's stripey, he's certainly not spot. :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 14, 2013, 01:39:00 pm
Groan!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 14, 2013, 04:10:06 pm
JasonC is correct.

Apologies to all (especially to AndyS who so nearly spotted it) for my lousy cryptic caving skills.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 14, 2013, 08:09:00 pm
Au contraire - it was the best sort of clue: you can't get it for ages, but you do, it seems obvious...
 ... the penny didn't properly drop until after I'd posted the answer.  But it was early...   :wall:


Ok, try this:

Key found on right, at the end, between several roads
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 16, 2013, 12:23:43 pm
Too hard ?   Bit of a clue, then - it's not in the Dales
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 16, 2013, 01:50:45 pm
Can't get a handle on this so wild guess:

Agen Allwedd?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 16, 2013, 02:06:11 pm
I'm thinking along the following lines, but currently stuck waiting for more clues!

Key on right - assume this is a keyboard key, so something like DEL, INS, END, or it coud be a musicakl keyboard, in which case it would be WHITE
At the end - short word for armegeddon? Or FINI or something else from a film?
Between several roads - some sort of combination of the letters A, B and/or M?

But all these seem to be a lackng a final pot, cave, cavern, hole or similar - so either this place doesn't end thus or is so widely known without that it has avoided inclusion in the clue?

In other words - H E L P ! ! !

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 16, 2013, 02:52:01 pm
Garden Path?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 16, 2013, 04:45:03 pm
Stenterst?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 16, 2013, 05:17:02 pm
Graham S: Aggy isn't the only cave outside Yorkshire :)
Andy S: 'Key' is a good place to start, but you're barking up a different tree entirely
Bograt: Is that where you're going ? ;)
CricleyMal:  wot ??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 16, 2013, 05:48:23 pm
Bograt: Is that where you're going ? ;)

Think its where I'm being led!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 16, 2013, 06:38:40 pm
Surely not Wookey Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 16, 2013, 08:49:55 pm
Ashford Black Marble Mines?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 16, 2013, 09:52:45 pm
Not Wookey Hole, nor any Hole at all.  Nor any Mines ....

What do keys do ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 16, 2013, 11:05:57 pm
CricleyMal:  wot ??
The enter key is on the right at the end and I put it between two roads St being short for street as you know  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 16, 2013, 11:07:08 pm
Stoke Lane Slocker
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 16, 2013, 11:25:02 pm
Reckon you are right Bograt, though I can't make Stoke. Was there a word missing from the clue?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 16, 2013, 11:36:48 pm
Right = OK
The end = e
Street (St) + Lanes

(At least thats what I think! :-\)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 17, 2013, 05:04:04 pm
 :clap2:  :clap2:  :clap2:
Correct in every respect.  And of course key=locker ;)

I wanted to say ".. between two roads" as that made more sense, but someone would have objected that "Lanes" was more than one road

Well done - back to you Bograt!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 17, 2013, 11:43:29 pm
:clap2:  :clap2:  :clap2:
Correct in every respect.  And of course key=locker ;)

I wanted to say ".. between two roads" as that made more sense, but someone would have objected that "Lanes" was more than one road

Well done - back to you Bograt!

Thanks for that Jason,

Try this one;

" Soldier, six footer, left in Oxford  maybe"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 17, 2013, 11:51:05 pm
Giants - Oxlow?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 18, 2013, 12:04:48 am
Come on Andys, Think  about  the Oxford Connection!!.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 18, 2013, 12:15:29 am
Sorry, its late - maybe it should read Giants Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 18, 2013, 12:44:15 am
Andys. you have got it !!!

Maybe Explain it to the populous???.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 18, 2013, 02:27:03 am
Soldier = GI
Six Footer = ANT

More than that, I don't know  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 18, 2013, 08:35:44 am
I think an Oxford is a shoe so Left in Oxford gives you shole.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 18, 2013, 10:24:57 am
Superb team effort, got there in the end  ;D ;D ;D.

Over to Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 18, 2013, 10:27:34 am
Excellent chaps .... Anyway, try this ...

"Swiss mistake 25th! Depressing site after it gets dressed for Christmas."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 18, 2013, 10:43:53 am
Hmm, something to do with Cherry?;
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 18, 2013, 11:55:35 am
Cherry Tree Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 18, 2013, 12:00:55 pm
'Tis indeed Cherry Tree Hole ..... do you want to decipher it for t'others?

Anyway, over to you Crickeymal......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 18, 2013, 12:06:18 pm
Cherry Tree Hole

 :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

Ch = Switzerland.
Mistake = err
25th letter = y
"Dressed" for Christmas = Tree
Depressing site = Hole.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 18, 2013, 12:09:06 pm
 :thumbsup:  Couldn't see where the S would come from and thought there must be one as without it the clue would be a bit sloppy, so possibly not Giants.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 18, 2013, 12:59:05 pm
:thumbsup:  Couldn't see where the S would come from and thought there must be one as without it the clue would be a bit sloppy, so possibly not Giants.

I try not to clue sloppily! :) :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 18, 2013, 03:17:34 pm
An easy one

Reforge pony, reforged!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 18, 2013, 03:26:32 pm
Ogof Pen Eryr?!?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 18, 2013, 03:34:35 pm
Bugger, beat me to it. Nice anag.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 18, 2013, 07:29:18 pm
Well done Andy
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 18, 2013, 08:09:55 pm
Try this'un then inspired by The Ashes!

"Short prod then fifty - followed by a century - leads onto top spin."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 18, 2013, 08:46:28 pm
Hmm, must be something like ------ton pot??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 18, 2013, 11:13:47 pm
Elbolton Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 19, 2013, 12:13:22 am
That's the one Dunc - over to you...

prod = elbow (as in "to elbow" someone), short - reduce it to ELBO
then fifty = (roman numerals) = L
and the rest is just as Bograt surmised.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 19, 2013, 06:17:09 am
Ooh, finally got one again, cool, I'll throw an easy one in:

In this cave I see darkness rising, am I speaking the right lingo?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 19, 2013, 08:13:54 am
ogof ffynnon ddu?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 19, 2013, 08:22:47 am
Yes, was too early in the day to have my thinking cap on and make it harder!
Cave - obviously.
Black - darkness.
Spring - rising.
Change the lingo and you get OFD.

Over to you Grahams..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 19, 2013, 08:32:11 am
Thanks Dunc and to continue the OFD theme:

"Well I'll go t't foot of our stairs, it's Ogof Ffynnon Ddu"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 20, 2013, 08:15:59 am
Got me beat, is that a clue?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 20, 2013, 08:49:40 am
Here's a major clue: translate Welsh into Yorkshireish.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on July 20, 2013, 12:33:01 pm
Black keld?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 20, 2013, 12:41:54 pm
That it Speleofish

"Well I'll go t't foot of our stairs" implies Yorkshire dialect.
Ffynnon - Keld (spring in Yorkshireish).
Ddu       - Black.

Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on July 20, 2013, 12:57:17 pm
Oh bugger. This may be a bit obvious.

A lake, six singles and a sketch
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 20, 2013, 01:07:03 pm
Meregill Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on July 20, 2013, 01:19:19 pm
Close. No cigar
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 20, 2013, 03:48:04 pm
Meregill Skit
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on July 20, 2013, 04:13:08 pm
All yours Bograt

lake = mere
six single measures of spirits = a gill
sketch = short play, also = 'skit'
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 20, 2013, 05:10:13 pm
Ta muchly :)

" Artist, front to back, goes on line test after getting rabbits foot back."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 21, 2013, 05:27:35 pm
OK, quick clue;
"The artist in question was once very intent on a creation."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 22, 2013, 08:20:04 am
I don't know why but -

Blake Bank Moss Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 22, 2013, 08:50:27 am
I reckon it's a mine not a cave. That is if I interpret the intent on a creation bit right.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2013, 10:40:49 am
Not Blake Bank, Crickley's getting warm :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 22, 2013, 11:43:56 am
Indeed - is it Wapping Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2013, 03:19:04 pm
It is indeed, andys, over to you :) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 22, 2013, 03:32:43 pm
Super duper..... have a try at this one then....

"Full Ahead!" ordered, with worms reset.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 22, 2013, 03:36:20 pm
OK, quick clue;
"The artist in question was once very intent on a creation."

Explanation please Bograt or AndyS - why Wapping Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 22, 2013, 03:42:39 pm
If I'm correct its....

after getting
rabbits foot = Paw, so
back = WAP
goes
on line test = PING (internet test utility)
Artist = Tracy Emin, so
front to back = MINE
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 22, 2013, 04:04:10 pm
So that'd be Wapping Nime? :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2013, 04:26:26 pm
No, Emin front to back, not back to front  :lol: :lol:,

Andy is exact in every respect ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2013, 04:32:33 pm
OK, quick clue;
"The artist in question was once very intent on a creation."

Explanation please Bograt or AndyS - why Wapping Mine?

This was an indicator for artist Tracy Emin, one her controversial creations was a tent with her boyfriends' names written on it. :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 22, 2013, 05:06:43 pm
Quote
No, Emin front to back, not back to front   ,

Andy is exact in every respect

So if it had been Emin back to front would the answer have been Nemi?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2013, 06:55:50 pm
Could have been! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2013, 11:06:43 pm
"Full Ahead!" ordered, with worms reset.

 All I've got so far is "Washfold Mauler", more like the name of a caver than a cave!! :shrug: :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 22, 2013, 11:14:39 pm
Waulds Farm Hole ?


... no, neither have I
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 22, 2013, 11:21:47 pm
"Full Ahead!" ordered, with worms reset.

 All I've got so far is "Washfold Mauler", more like the name of a caver than a cave!! :shrug: :shrug:

Excellent suggestion for a name for the new royal baby - I'll forward it on to Will and Kate forthwith!

Waulds Farm Hole ?


... no, neither have I

I can see where you're coming from -  but, no, wholly made up names ain't going to get the trophy!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 23, 2013, 03:56:07 pm
So, I've found "Swallet"; o,u,a,m,f,r,d,h,w,h,i, Anyone??  :wall:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 23, 2013, 05:50:28 pm
Eek!

Guys, I need to come clean here: the cave I thought I was clueing doesn't appear to be called what I thought it was called! Which means I've messed up big time! :chair: :chair: :chair:

What I thought was called "Redhouse FARM Swallet" (in the Forest of Dean) appears to really be called "Redhouse LANE Swallet".

Sincere apologies for wasting your time and I better quickly hand over to someone else (and check more carefully in future!)

Jason and Bograt each got one of the words right so over to whoever gets in first.....

..... and apologies again.  :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 23, 2013, 05:53:20 pm
Over to you Jason, my brain hurts   ::) ::)

Aah, so it was "Worms reset"! ;) ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 23, 2013, 06:10:12 pm
Can I have a go?

"Backwards lollipop misses middle rim and joins imperialists with silk, losing one of five"  (12)

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 23, 2013, 06:12:20 pm
Not quite a waste of time for me at least - I know a bit more about worms, both wriggly and computer. Now where's the aspirin?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 23, 2013, 06:21:43 pm
Pollnagossan?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 23, 2013, 06:23:16 pm
Not quite a waste of time for me at least - I know a bit more about worms, both wriggly and computer. Now where's the aspirin?

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 24, 2013, 06:44:31 am
Poll is right at the start, but it's not Pollnagossan
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 24, 2013, 07:55:02 am
Pollnagollum then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 24, 2013, 08:49:55 am
"Backwards lollipop misses middle rim and joins imperialists with silk in losing one of five"  (12)

I'm afraid not.

oh dear, it seemed so obvious as I typed, but now I'm thinking it's a bit convoluted.

A clue, though one word, it's in three sections as is the clue

Poll / ???? / ????


Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 24, 2013, 06:33:48 pm
I can only find a couple of 12-character cave names beginning Poll - Polltullyard, Pollatoomary & Polltoophill - but can't make either fit the clues.
And the only "name in three parts" I can think of is Pol-An-Ionain, which only has a single "l" in its "Pol" - and even then I can't make it fit either!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 24, 2013, 08:04:35 pm
Christ, even the queries – let alone the clues – are getting convoluted:

Quote
a couple of 12-character cave names beginning Poll - Polltullyard, Pollatoomary & Polltoophill
!!  Maybe that's an Irish couple  ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 24, 2013, 10:39:47 pm
haha! oh well failed miserably.

a rim is lip  Lol lip op backwards is polol

one of five is a vowel, remove the O to get Poll.

A type of silk is tulle, joined with polol in removing a vowel, the E to get tull

And imperialist is the yard

Poll joined to yard with tull, 3 parts to a 3 syllable cave name.

polltullyard



righty ho then, where's my coat  :-[

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 25, 2013, 12:04:38 am
Couldn't get the "tulle" bit, but there you go. And not "failed miserably" at all - excellent clue, and good to get "out of area" from Dales, Peak, Mendip and Wales.

Don't know if I ought to be setting the next clue given the cock-up with the last attempt - but here goes anyway......

"Centurions are chasing military medics, after doctor in hip reversal extracts usable retinas from incurable SAS veteran."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 25, 2013, 08:34:34 am
Stump Cross Caverns?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 25, 2013, 12:10:03 pm
Not Stump Cross
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 25, 2013, 01:15:58 pm
Pridhamsleigh Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 25, 2013, 01:22:54 pm
Spot on Bograt! Do you want to post the solution?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 25, 2013, 01:56:35 pm
Sorry, not at the moment, it mainly came from the hip reversal and the doctor, I will break it down later, too busy at the mo.' :-[ :-[
Will post something up later, anticipation is the best part of the feast ::) ::)

Although I would point out that taking "usable retinas" from "incurable SAS veteran" gives "caver", an "N" short. ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 25, 2013, 03:54:32 pm
Although I would point out that taking "usable retinas" from "incurable SAS veteran" gives "caver", an "N" short. ;D

But, but there is only 1 n in usable retinas and there are 2 in incurable SAS veteran so you should have at least one spare  ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 25, 2013, 06:43:23 pm
Good point, I said I was too busy, I overlooked one of them :wall: :wall:
The rest of it goes like this;

Doctor (Dr) in hip reversal = Pridh
Army Medical Service         = AMS
Centurians                         = Leigh rugby club


"Hot lengths round the bend, its thrown."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 25, 2013, 07:03:03 pm
Hull Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 25, 2013, 07:05:37 pm
Top marks for speed, over to you Hoehlen---- :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 25, 2013, 08:55:21 pm
Good point, I said I was too busy, I overlooked one of them :wall: :wall:

P.S. What kind of word is "icurable" anyway?? :chair:  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 25, 2013, 11:27:20 pm
It started as nothing and then the weather turned. All that followed was a place of worship that lacked a certain something in the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 26, 2013, 06:40:59 am
Ogof Capel?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 26, 2013, 08:36:47 am
Damn. Too easy? Probably why I can never get your complicated ones...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 26, 2013, 08:55:21 am
Damn. Too easy? Probably why I can never get your complicated ones...

Variety is the spice of life! (After cumin, cardomom, turmeric and chilli of course  :) )

Anyway try this 'un...

"Posh house, with posher loo, starts making incontinence nearly enjoyable!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 26, 2013, 12:20:02 pm
Palace No.2 Mine?

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 26, 2013, 12:32:12 pm
Ha-ha! But no choccies for you yet....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 26, 2013, 12:52:32 pm
James Hall Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 26, 2013, 01:01:54 pm
.... not JH - but you're in the right general area!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 26, 2013, 05:27:35 pm
...I'm going away for the weekend in a few mins time - but confident that I can leave you to judge amongst yourselves if someone gets the right answer.

And the winner can award themselves a pint!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 27, 2013, 02:45:46 pm
"Posh house, with posher loo, starts making incontinence nearly enjoyable!"

Just bumping onto new page :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 27, 2013, 04:51:26 pm
Lords And Ladies Mine

What do folks think?

Posh house = House of lords
Posh Loo     = Ladies
Starts (first letters) Making Incontinence Nearly Enjoyable
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 27, 2013, 04:59:56 pm
Lords And Ladies Mine

What do folks think?

Posh house = House of lords
Posh Loo     = Ladies
Starts (first letters) Making Incontinence Nearly Enjoyable
Looks correct to me. Have a pint on you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 27, 2013, 06:15:25 pm
 :clap2:

I would be happy to go along with that
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 27, 2013, 06:56:16 pm
OK, thanks people :)

Try this;
              " You get this when you wash up".
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 27, 2013, 07:20:23 pm
Clean Pots?  :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 27, 2013, 08:09:46 pm
 ;D ;D Try again.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 28, 2013, 10:08:23 am
Crackpot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 28, 2013, 11:57:48 am
Only if you're careless ;D, nope!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 28, 2013, 05:13:26 pm
Fatigue Pot? as in 'all washed up' - a bit like me with this clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 28, 2013, 05:17:45 pm
 :lol: :lol:
Think about where you do it, not what you you do it to. ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 28, 2013, 06:15:03 pm
Gritstone Sink?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 28, 2013, 06:38:58 pm
Good, halfway there :clap2:, now, what happens to it when the activity occurs?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 28, 2013, 09:22:41 pm
Wet Sink?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 28, 2013, 09:30:12 pm
Over to you dunc :clap2: :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 28, 2013, 09:43:41 pm
That took a bit of head scratching Bog! Nice one..

Hmm, this should be a quickie:

Tell a short silly lie to Liz, she may be in danger.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 28, 2013, 11:11:12 pm
Why, if that's not Ibbeth Peril !  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 29, 2013, 06:07:00 am
It is indeed Ibbeth Peril, over to you JasonC..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 29, 2013, 04:46:45 pm
McCarthy and Donne temporarily unsure of location
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 29, 2013, 04:58:45 pm
Lost Johns'?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 29, 2013, 07:50:51 pm
Yes, Dunc   :thumbsup: - I didn't have time to think up anything more fiendish.

Back to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 29, 2013, 08:23:26 pm
Cheers JasonC. Well, I hope this one lasts a little longer than the last one:

That man has got no apostrophe, whilst my personal assistant, Vera, has lost direction.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 29, 2013, 10:06:21 pm
Hesp Alyn??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 29, 2013, 10:08:09 pm
Damn, need to conjure up some more awkward clues in future. Over to you Bograt....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 29, 2013, 10:24:26 pm
Know how you feel, its you against the world innit? :) :)

OK, quick scrabble in the grey matter came up with this;

"New coins replace their obsolete counterparts in bovine part, extended recepticle for the latter's produce".
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 30, 2013, 08:13:54 am
Penyghent Long Churn?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 30, 2013, 09:38:57 am
Not  PLC.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 30, 2013, 10:34:52 am
Upper Long Churn (Udder - pence replaces 'd in old money)????
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 30, 2013, 11:03:29 am
And back to you hoehlen----- :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 30, 2013, 11:07:47 am
OK, easy one (as all mine seem to be!)

Sounds like it's been eaten, or something like that!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on July 30, 2013, 02:30:38 pm
Pate Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 30, 2013, 03:19:47 pm
Nope

(it is a bit obtuse I will admit)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 30, 2013, 05:56:12 pm
Obtuse is Good!!. ;D ;D

Something like;
 Swill Done--- Anyone???

BTW, Andys, assume "Lords & Ladies" was correct?? :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 30, 2013, 06:21:50 pm
Cheddar Gorge?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 30, 2013, 07:36:50 pm
Obtuse is Good!!. ;D ;D


Obtuse is bad, Obscure is good, Obscene is better  :smartass:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 30, 2013, 08:17:39 pm
Obtuse is Good!!. ;D ;D

Something like;
 Swill Done--- Anyone???

BTW, Andys, assume "Lords & Ladies" was correct?? :shrug:

Yep. Lords & Ladies Mine correct in every respect!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 30, 2013, 10:20:47 pm
Sorry, back in the room.

Nobody is close yet... thought it would be simple. Obviously far too obtuse and maybe just a little silly  :). Will give a clue in the morning.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mr Fell on July 30, 2013, 10:40:09 pm
Titan?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 30, 2013, 10:59:35 pm
Getting closer (geographically speaking!). There, that's your clue
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 31, 2013, 12:42:46 am
P8?

As in sounds (very vaguely) like paté.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on July 31, 2013, 08:33:00 am
Right answer, wrong solution..

My thinking was more along the lines of bean eaten  which gives pea ate

Sorry. Guess it was a bit silly!

Anyway, back to Andy for something more conventional and impossible!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 31, 2013, 02:17:05 pm
Buy hook I by crook!....

Try this one:

Excessive! Queen follows track from a hot clerk!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 31, 2013, 03:06:10 pm
Otter Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 31, 2013, 04:34:55 pm
Very clever, there must be a limit to the number of ways of clueing cave, pot, hole , ogof, etc. :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 31, 2013, 05:07:36 pm
Otter Hole?

Spot on Graham - over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 31, 2013, 05:18:35 pm
Otter Hole?

Spot on Graham - over to you.
Thanks Andys, got one right at last.

Here goes:

"You can buy your lights here if you take a registered nurse with French rearranged"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 01, 2013, 08:20:56 am
Sorry to have to ask – but why Otter Hole? :down:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on August 01, 2013, 08:35:07 am
Excessive! Queen follows track from a hot clerk

Excessive - OTT
Queen - ER
Remove track from A HOT CLERK - leaves Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on August 01, 2013, 09:10:26 am
You can buy your lights here if you take a registered nurse with French rearranged

Peak Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 01, 2013, 09:23:45 am
You can buy your lights here if you take a registered nurse with French rearranged

Peak Cavern?
I can see where you're coming from hoehlenforscher but nope.
To keep things moving, here's a couple of clues:
It's in Yorkshire and is well known, if only for it's odd name.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 01, 2013, 09:42:55 am
Lante Shop Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 01, 2013, 11:07:34 am
Lante Shop Cave?

Well done AndyS again -
Lante(RN)
Shop
Cave (anag. avec)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 01, 2013, 11:29:00 am
Excellenté! Have a go at this 'un then...

Sounds like a blemish on the disc after start of first track on Clannad album.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 01, 2013, 05:17:23 pm
Excellenté! Have a go at this 'un then...

Sounds like a blemish on the disc after start of first track on Clannad album.
Robinson Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 01, 2013, 05:48:07 pm
Excellenté! Have a go at this 'un then...

Sounds like a blemish on the disc after start of first track on Clannad album.
Robinson Pot?


Near enough! Though I believe its Sunday Best name is "Robinsons' Pot"  which give the clue a bit more street cred. Anyway, over to you GrahamS.......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 01, 2013, 05:51:16 pm
Sorry to be such spain, but could you explain the clue (again)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 01, 2013, 06:02:37 pm
Hmm, "blemish on disc" = Sunspot, you little devious tinker :-\

Fulk, " sounds like sunspot = sons pot
After first track on a few Clannad albums, including "The very best of" = Robin.

P.S. andys, thanks for that, whilst googling Clannad I came across a really nice music access site, now stored in favourites :thumbsup: :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 01, 2013, 06:24:07 pm
Excellenté! Have a go at this 'un then...

Sounds like a blemish on the disc after start of first track on Clannad album.
Robinson Pot?


Near enough! Though I believe its Sunday Best name is "Robinsons' Pot"  which give the clue a bit more street cred. Anyway, over to you GrahamS.......
Thanks Andys. Solved more by a process of elimination of Clannad songs than by skill on my part.

I'm off for a few days so here's an easy one. Will post the soln later this evening if it's not solved.

"Eric Pickles to child who has a rumbling stomach: 'No you can't have any of my pie. Get your own'"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 01, 2013, 07:06:04 pm
Doubt its right, but "Croesor Mine", may give ideas to others, considering the tight time scale :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 01, 2013, 08:18:50 pm
Doubt its right, but "Croesor Mine", may give ideas to others, considering the tight time scale :) :)
No, fraid not - gotta go so here's the answer:

The word 'rumbling' was included as a pointer to Leck Fell.
Eric Pickles is rather large and a bit unpleasant in this instance - hence Big Meanie.

Apologies if it was a bit weak and obscure - just trying something a bit different.
Anyway over to whoever wants next go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 01, 2013, 08:57:15 pm
Jumping in here again so try this....

"Middle of fishing boat, middle of fishing boat."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 01, 2013, 09:03:02 pm
Echo Pot??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 01, 2013, 09:13:24 pm
Close, but no cuddly toy!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 01, 2013, 09:41:35 pm
GB?

( janGada  coBle )
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 01, 2013, 10:12:05 pm
Quote
Hmm, "blemish on disc" = Sunspot, you little devious tinker

Fulk, " sounds like sunspot = sons pot
After first track on a few Clannad albums, including "The very best of" = Robin.

P.S. andys, thanks for that, whilst googling Clannad I came across a really nice music access site, now stored in favourites 

Well, quite frankly, I'm  not much the wiser.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on August 01, 2013, 10:22:15 pm
GB?

( janGada  coBle )

Nice. I had GB from middle of fishinG Boat but couldn't reconcile it with the double clue (and fact that it wasn't really the middle!).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 01, 2013, 11:02:02 pm
Quote
Hmm, "blemish on disc" = Sunspot, you little devious tinker

Fulk, " sounds like sunspot = sons pot
After first track on a few Clannad albums, including "The very best of" = Robin.

P.S. andys, thanks for that, whilst googling Clannad I came across a really nice music access site, now stored in favourites 

Well, quite frankly, I'm  not much the wiser.

"Sounds like a blemish on the disc after start of first track on Clannad album".

OK Fulk, Step by step;

"sounds like a blemish on the disc;                Blemish = Spot
                                                                          Disc    = Sun

                                                   Blemish on the disc   = Sun Spot

                                                   Sounds like               = Sons pot           
 
                                                          After                   = comes after
                                                     Start of                    = Starts the answer

First track on the "The Very Best of Clannad" album    = "Robin"

So the answer starts with "Robin" and "sons pot"comes after - "Robinsons Pot" - Geddit??  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 01, 2013, 11:34:39 pm
Quote
Hmm, "blemish on disc" = Sunspot, you little devious tinker

Fulk, " sounds like sunspot = sons pot
After first track on a few Clannad albums, including "The very best of" = Robin.

P.S. andys, thanks for that, whilst googling Clannad I came across a really nice music access site, now stored in favourites 

Well, quite frankly, I'm  not much the wiser.

"Sounds like a blemish on the disc after start of first track on Clannad album".

OK Fulk, Step by step;

"sounds like a blemish on the disc;                Blemish = Spot
                                                                          Disc    = Sun

                                                   Blemish on the disc   = Sun Spot

                                                   Sounds like               = Sons pot           
 
                                                          After                   = comes after
                                                     Start of                    = Starts the answer

First track on the "The Very Best of Clannad" album    = "Robin"

So the answer starts with "Robin" and "sons pot"comes after - "Robinsons Pot" - Geddit??  ;) ;)


Did I cause all that? Wowsers!

GB?

( janGada  coBle )

Not GB!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 02, 2013, 08:44:25 am
GG then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 02, 2013, 09:23:56 am
Not GG. You were much, much closer with your last guess Dunc! Letters are 4,4.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 02, 2013, 12:36:09 pm
High Hull?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 02, 2013, 12:46:58 pm
Nope. And there's no missing pot/cave/hole/cavern/swallet/slocker/sink/mine or similar ending with this clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 02, 2013, 08:34:26 pm
Ahaa, so the second word would be "cave, hole, sink, mine, gill" or other four letter indicator of an underground feature, close to Fountains Fell, getting warmer folks!! :-\ :-\

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 02, 2013, 09:01:00 pm
A reasonable analysis, and a correct one, even though that's not quite what I meany by "close"!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 02, 2013, 10:58:52 pm
so if the answer's Echo Hole, it was a touch ungenerous not to give it to Dunc ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 02, 2013, 11:39:18 pm
....possibly so.  :-\  But he did only get part of the clue, and probably the easier part at that! Oh - and it ain't Echo Hole!  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 03, 2013, 10:30:41 am
Aah, sooo, it is a hole??? ::) ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 03, 2013, 10:46:50 am
No its an "Echo" something - something that's "the middle of a fishing boat" yet isn't one of the common ones like hole/cave/mine.
PS I come from Yarmouth - historically, most of the fishing boats were of this type.
Not sure if I can make it any easier apart from telling which page of NC1 its on!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 03, 2013, 10:49:00 am
That will be a Wherry then :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 03, 2013, 12:52:06 pm
No, wherries are mainly inland/inshore (ie rivers, estuaries, Norfolk Broads) transport vessels. I'm thinking of a sea fishing vessel, particularly associated with the herring industry.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 03, 2013, 12:54:55 pm
Smacks?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 03, 2013, 01:38:17 pm
No - its drifters.

And the middle of drifter is RIFT so the answer was Echo Rift. I think I ought to let Dunc have it since he was nearest, so over to you Dunc......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 03, 2013, 02:50:46 pm
Ahh.. now I understand, I'll admit I would not have got drifters! Good one. :thumbsup:

I'll throw in one of my easy ones:

Talking about it, it sounds like I need to get wrapped up, only twenty, are you positive?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 04, 2013, 02:37:55 pm
Don't think its right but I'll throw it in anyway :shrug:

Winterscales Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 04, 2013, 04:23:28 pm
You've got the cave bit right, Winterscales is not the right cave though..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 04, 2013, 07:50:33 pm
Making a bid for the pendant, I'd like to point out that the middle of drifter is f or ift or rifte . . . not rift. :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 04, 2013, 10:19:10 pm
Making a bid for the pendant, I'd like to point out that the middle of drifter is f or ift or rifte . . . not rift. :)

Making a bigger claim for the pendant, I think that "f" would be the centre of "drifter", whereas the middle could be anywhere except the ends.  :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 05, 2013, 10:35:58 am
Weathercoat Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 05, 2013, 12:16:47 pm
That's the one Andys, it is Weathercote Cave.

Just for those wondering; Talk about it - people always talk about the weather. Get wrapped up i.e. put coat on which sounds like cote. 20 is Calcium (Ca), positive is +ve.

Back to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 05, 2013, 01:37:06 pm
Tara!

Wordsmith loses point after trained setter follows crack say.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 05, 2013, 05:29:35 pm
Fisher Street Pot

( A damn good hangover trip!!! ;D)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 05, 2013, 06:21:48 pm
Spot on - though Gus O'Connor's ain't what it used to be!

Wordsmith = Poet, lose the point (of a compass = e) = POT
Trained (anagram of) setter = STREET
Crack = fissure, sounds like = FISHER

Over to you Bograt.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 05, 2013, 07:35:09 pm
I'd be interested to know the situatuion in Fisherstreet at the moment, we used to camp on the sea front there for free!.
 (And have a goooood time with Gus!)
 
O.K.  new klew;
                          "Tratmans place?, not going back there!!".
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 05, 2013, 07:46:24 pm
Templeton Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 05, 2013, 08:20:21 pm
Didn't think it would last long!!

Where did you get the "pot" from Dunc?, as the Mendip chaps state, it is "Templeton".

Over to you, Dunc.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 05, 2013, 08:53:33 pm
I debated on whether to add pot, dig or just call it Templeton. Being a largely northern caver I'm used to things having something on the end so I added the pot bit to make it appear grander..  ::)

Anyway, here we go:

A flash of entertainment at the cricket, it's not the bottom that is mixed up.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 05, 2013, 09:20:14 pm
Boundary Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 05, 2013, 09:24:22 pm
Not Boundary.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 05, 2013, 09:33:38 pm
A flash of entertainment at the cricket, it's not the bottom that is mixed up.






Just putting it on the new page :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 06, 2013, 06:46:58 am
Finger Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 06, 2013, 07:49:59 am
Not Finger.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 06, 2013, 08:27:11 am
Streaks Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 06, 2013, 09:05:00 am
Spike has it! Over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 06, 2013, 11:56:01 am
Grand, here goes...

Engage in warfare after folding your body into a ball with a weapon that misses the Leicester area, and then having a brew.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 06, 2013, 04:22:14 pm
Why Streaks Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 06, 2013, 04:56:16 pm
Why Streaks Pot?
Streaks as in streaker; something that has been seen at cricket matches in the past (I could have said sporting events, perhaps). Best I could come up with in a short space of time and the word 'flash' was intended to be a slight hint too..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 06, 2013, 05:17:27 pm
Some uncharitable types would perhaps suggest that the only entertainment to be had whilst watching a cricket match would be a streaker...   :unsure:

As for "it's not the bottom that is mixed up", top is "not the bottom" and mixing it up gives pot.

In the spirit of full disclosure (pun intended) I did do a cursory Google to check if it was Streak or Streaks as I only had a vague hint of a recollection of such a place existing - need to to more Derbyshire trips...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 06, 2013, 06:04:10 pm
need to to more Derbyshire trips...

Ah-ah!, a clue to the location of your contribution ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 07, 2013, 12:41:47 am
Nearcliff Wood Rift ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 07, 2013, 08:36:46 am
Nettle Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on August 07, 2013, 11:03:08 am
Pike Rift?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 07, 2013, 12:07:29 pm
Nope, nope and nope...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 07, 2013, 01:09:54 pm
Afton Red Rift? - though not at all sue why it should be!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 07, 2013, 01:39:24 pm
Fetalfightaxetea Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 07, 2013, 02:11:00 pm
Fetalfightaxetea Pot?


 :lol: :lol: :lol:, I'm pretty sure its a rift though ;D, Quite like the Pike idea too.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on August 07, 2013, 06:44:40 pm
Rift... as in weapon = rifle, without le from Leicester area, plus t from having a brew???

The rest has got me stumped though :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 07, 2013, 08:01:34 pm
Rift... as in weapon = rifle, without le from Leicester area, plus t from having a brew???

The rest has got me stumped though :-\
Good theory but I can feel one of those cryptic headaches coming on.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 07, 2013, 11:56:05 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol:, I'm  with hoelen--- on that one, also with grahams on the headache, giz a clue :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 08, 2013, 12:25:15 am
Right, well you've got Rift, that's safe </jim_bowen>

7, 5, Rift

Sounds like a cursed squeeze though...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on August 08, 2013, 07:32:06 am
Rolling fight rift
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 08, 2013, 08:14:49 am
Curling Shell Rift?

I dunno  :shrug: I made that one up
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 08, 2013, 10:34:35 am
Ok, so since I've picked a rather obscure one, here's an easier clue to the location:

P&G's cleaning fluids about the avenue, with a hunted animal...

HTH O:-)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 08, 2013, 12:39:29 pm
So we're in Fairy Cave Quarry? Over to someone with detailed knowledge of this location.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 08, 2013, 01:30:54 pm
I'm beginning to suspect that this is a new Cerberus dig. Probably one they have publicised yet.......  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 08, 2013, 01:40:06 pm
 Tucking Fight Rift

(Mendip cave registry)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 08, 2013, 02:43:32 pm
Too obscure perhaps? I don't normally do crosswords...

So, from the top:

Engage in warfare - Fight
after
folding your body into a ball - Tucking
with
a weapon (Rifle) that misses the Leicester area (remove "LE" - the Leicester post code area), and then having a brew (T) to give Rift

Clue 1:
Sounds like a cursed squeeze though - now you know it's Tucking Fight, this should be obvious...  :furious:

Clue 2:
P&G's cleaning fluids (Fairy liquid) about (Circa) the avenue (shortens to ave) with a hunted animal Quarry


Off you go Bograt - I'll skulk off to a corner for a while...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 08, 2013, 02:48:58 pm
Too obscure perhaps? I don't normally do crosswords...

So, from the top:

Engage in warfare - Fight
after
folding your body into a ball - Tucking
with
a weapon (Rifle) that misses the Leicester area (remove "LE" - the Leicester post code area), and then having a brew (T) to give Rift

Clue 1:
Sounds like a cursed squeeze though - now you know it's Tucking Fight, this should be obvious...  :furious:

Clue 2:
P&G's cleaning fluids (Fairy liquid) about (Circa) the avenue (shortens to ave) with a hunted animal Quarry


Off you go Bograt - I'll skulk off to a corner for a while...

Clue was ace Spike - no problems there - just never heard of (nor could easily find out) the answer!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 08, 2013, 04:35:12 pm
Agree, good clue, totally obscure location, in the middle of a big block of small print on the MCR Fairy Cave Quarry page, no chance without the clues! :( :(

P.S. I believe the word to describe "Tucking Fight" is "Spoonerism" :)


Ok, a slightly better known one;

 Grand union with Trent & Mersey congealed round barrier.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 08, 2013, 11:34:48 pm
Waterways Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 09, 2013, 09:32:05 am
If that's the answer, I like the clue. :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2013, 10:30:41 am
Over to you andys, you're too sharp for me   ;) ;)

Thanks grahams :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 09, 2013, 10:50:31 am
Thanks!  :)

Have a go at this one....

"its hot back in the sun, surrounded by pigs."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2013, 11:27:56 am
Swinsto Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 09, 2013, 12:47:21 pm
Spot on Bograt - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2013, 01:02:42 pm
Ta,

Smell them in Paris, leading citizens hail the Senior Service.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 09, 2013, 03:24:08 pm
Blue John Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2013, 06:49:11 pm
Where did the Blue John come from??. Sorry, not this time  ;D  ;D.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 09, 2013, 07:52:47 pm
Where did the Blue John come from??. Sorry, not this time  ;D  ;D.

Blue - the french (national colours) - so likely to be in Paris
John - a.k.a. toilet - so smelly

Hence "Smell them in Paris......" = "Blue Johns.....": but I knew it was wrong 'cos of the extraneous "s"

Anyway - back to the drawing board.........
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 09, 2013, 08:04:34 pm
Pooles Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2013, 08:07:15 pm
Go for it grahams, care to elucidate?, or would you like me to?? ( or, indeed, do'es it need doing?) :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2013, 09:02:00 am
Go for it grahams, care to elucidate?, or would you like me to?? ( or, indeed, do'es it need doing?) :) :)
It's a an anag. of looes with P for Paris - I think.

This has two answers:
"Apple with me and potassium after a spinner reversed (has a Japanese relative)".

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 10, 2013, 09:16:39 am
Smell =          POO   

Them in Paris = French for "them" = LES     

Leading citizens = C  

Hail = As in "Hail Mary" - "Ave Maria" = AVE

Senior Service = Royal Navy = RN
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 10, 2013, 09:34:19 am
Pippikin pot
Nippikin pot.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2013, 09:44:08 am
Pippikin pot
Nippikin pot.
You're too quick - back to you Bograt.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 10, 2013, 09:55:48 am
 :) :)

Difficult, untrained family take Panama Red.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2013, 10:19:00 am
Hardrawkin Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 10, 2013, 11:08:01 am
Who's a clever boy then? :lol: :lol:

 Your turn (not getting much done this morning are we! ::))
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2013, 12:15:03 pm
Ha, ha - I'm multitasking the processing of yesterday's photos, wondering about all the almost caveless limestone north of Wild Boar Fell and gardening, so not a total waste.

Anyway, here's another:

"Sounds like your dog will do this is you make it exercise in hot weather".
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 10, 2013, 12:27:03 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol: Pant Mawr
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2013, 04:04:00 pm
Very good, back to you. :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 10, 2013, 06:28:53 pm
The Irish boy loses a point but gets good lead in the top section.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 10, 2013, 08:56:58 pm
Gean Pot?

Another one I made up!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 10, 2013, 10:50:49 pm
 :shrug: :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 11, 2013, 11:33:22 am
Irish boy Sean losing a point S getting good lead G. Makes sense to me  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 11, 2013, 01:40:27 pm
Still not right  ;D ;D

Although some of the reasoning is along the right lines!.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 11, 2013, 02:44:05 pm
Dan yr Ogof?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 11, 2013, 04:50:48 pm
Round 2! ;D

Over to you grahams :)

Irish boy = Danny (boy)
Loses point (N) = DAN Y
Good lead= G
Top section = ROOF

DAN Y + G in ROOF = DAN YR OGOF :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 11, 2013, 06:09:46 pm
Ta. And now for something a bit different:

# # # # # #
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 11, 2013, 06:52:08 pm
Hmm, Long Ash?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 11, 2013, 07:59:07 pm
Nah - keep going.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 11, 2013, 08:50:55 pm
Nameless Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 12, 2013, 08:31:34 am
No,

Time for a couple of clues-
Hash has featured in previous clues. Think about time rather than space.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 12, 2013, 08:53:38 am
Little Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 12, 2013, 09:22:58 am
I can see the logic Fulk, but not this time.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 12, 2013, 07:23:57 pm
Lesser Stream Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 12, 2013, 08:07:26 pm
Lesser Stream Pot?

Not Lesser Stream
OK additional clue time:

---- Pot
and it's in Yorkshire I hear.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 12, 2013, 09:36:45 pm
Steps Pot?

Actually a better guess would probably be Lower Bargh's Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 12, 2013, 10:51:41 pm
Steps Pot?

Actually a better guess would probably be Lower Bargh's Pot?
Not  Steps or Bargh's
Another clue which should put this one to bed:

It's 4 letters, Pot Pot Pot and is almost connected to one of the most exciting extensions in recent years.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on August 12, 2013, 11:28:58 pm
Link Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on August 12, 2013, 11:32:21 pm
Echo Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 13, 2013, 07:07:00 am
Lost Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 13, 2013, 08:25:42 am
Echo Pot?
:clap2: That's it LesW. Obviously a rotten clue - I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on August 13, 2013, 10:59:30 pm
Somebody else better have a go as I can't make one up...  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 13, 2013, 11:46:43 pm
O.K., quick & easy;

"Arthurs legendary weapon"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 14, 2013, 12:22:16 am
Excaliber methinks!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 14, 2013, 09:35:55 am
Methinks Excalibur  :halo:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 14, 2013, 10:17:04 am
Ex caliber - someone who used to drink alcohol-free beer but got better?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 14, 2013, 11:02:44 am
 :lol: :lol:, Said it was easy, go for it andys. :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 14, 2013, 12:10:01 pm
OK then, here we go...

The Red Cross In Durhan University Shield All West Corruption.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 14, 2013, 02:45:35 pm
Durcs Swallet (must be a new discovery ;))
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 14, 2013, 03:18:03 pm
...... sorry Fulk but, amazingly, that ain't right!  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 14, 2013, 03:56:15 pm
Sorry from me also Fulk, didn't notice the discrepancy in spelling on the previous clue, if I get this one, you can have a go! :)

Redhurst swallet.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 14, 2013, 03:57:16 pm
...nope.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 14, 2013, 04:00:27 pm
Redhouse Lane Swallet
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 14, 2013, 04:13:45 pm
St Cuthberts Swallet
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 14, 2013, 05:38:37 pm
... St Cuthberts it is. Random guess or carefully crafted answer? Either way, over to you.......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 14, 2013, 06:00:41 pm
Ok I got Swallet, but why St Cuthberts?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on August 14, 2013, 06:41:52 pm
Ok I got Swallet, but why St Cuthberts?

The Red Cross In Durham University Shield = the cross of St Cuthbert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuthbert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuthbert)  :smartass:


Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 14, 2013, 06:48:24 pm
I googled Durham University Shield but didn't find that info. Either they hid it or it just didn't stand out.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on August 14, 2013, 06:51:16 pm
To be fair, I searched for St Cuthbert, once I knew the answer...  :unsure:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 15, 2013, 01:18:18 am
... St Cuthberts it is. Random guess or carefully crafted answer? Either way, over to you.......

Got a fridge magnet from the Cathedral, should have got it earlier!!! :chair:

 Go for it Fulk, I know you want to, :) :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 15, 2013, 09:37:13 am
Thank you bograt, that's a fine gesture:

CO gave thrills when turned out (5, 4, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 15, 2013, 09:46:08 am
Short Gill Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 15, 2013, 10:09:14 am
B*gger . . . . it took you all of 8 min 55 sec!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 15, 2013, 11:48:18 am
Most of that time was me trying to decide if Grot's Hill Cave was a place...  :wall:

Anyhoo, this one should be better known than my last  ;)


Jutting out to sea regarding a grammatical belonging of a point less pointless inn
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 15, 2013, 12:54:53 pm
Bar Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 15, 2013, 02:11:02 pm
Nah! Its Pierre's Pot I reckon.......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on August 15, 2013, 02:27:23 pm
Pierre's Pot it is.

andys - back to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 15, 2013, 02:39:24 pm
Super duper!

Here's a quick one then...

Its black - if levers adjusted.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 15, 2013, 02:57:32 pm
Lets try Birks Fell Cave??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 15, 2013, 03:13:54 pm
...said it would be quick! Back to you Bograt.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 15, 2013, 03:24:26 pm
Dammit!!, got to get the grey cells going again, bear with me a while chaps!! ;) ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 15, 2013, 05:54:45 pm
O.K.!;

  Led back to the acidity of Hydrogen, "Bravo"!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 15, 2013, 07:21:01 pm
Delph Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 15, 2013, 07:31:16 pm
I wondered about 'Delph' something . . . but bravo?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 15, 2013, 07:44:14 pm
All yours Roger.

Hydrogen = H

Bravo = OLE !!! (sorry, don't know how to do accents) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 15, 2013, 07:46:59 pm
Hmm.... 

Sounds as if it could be in the south east but is further west than that.

Explored by a guy from Ireland who wasn't Irish.

S'not really cryptic, but the best I could come up with after spending the afternoon laying a new carpet in the bathroom...   :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 15, 2013, 07:59:46 pm
Kents Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 15, 2013, 08:24:37 pm
Didn't last long, did it?

Over to you, Grahams
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 16, 2013, 08:25:51 am
Quote
Bravo = OLE !!! (sorry, don't know how to do accents)

Or apostrophes! ('ole  é î ü è ç)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 16, 2013, 09:18:00 am
Didn't last long, did it?

Over to you, Grahams
Cheers Roger

This shouldn't be too hard:

"Once it was a silver tankard but what is it now?"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 16, 2013, 09:34:06 am
Pint Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 16, 2013, 10:03:23 am
Pint Pot?
Sorry Andys. As Paxo would say - nope.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Andrew W on August 16, 2013, 11:41:21 am
Pewter Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 16, 2013, 11:52:21 am
Quote
Bravo = OLE !!! (sorry, don't know how to do accents)

Or apostrophes! ('ole  é î ü è ç)

All right, show off!! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on August 16, 2013, 12:37:23 pm
Still it's not so long ago since Fulk was having a few issues - http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=10956.msg149636#msg149636 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=10956.msg149636#msg149636) and subsequent posts for example...   :smartass:

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 16, 2013, 02:24:52 pm
Blood yell . . . you got nothing better to do than trawl through years of UK caving?  :ras:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 16, 2013, 04:21:44 pm
Anyway lads and lasses, nobody is getting the right idea for my wonderful clue (apart from the word 'Pot' which is correct). I would have thought that one of the old codgers amongst us would have got this by now.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 16, 2013, 05:06:47 pm
There is a Silver Cave near Yangshuo in China, but it ain't a pot...   :(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 16, 2013, 06:00:14 pm
Just to narrow the location down a heap Roger, it's in the Dales (and that's two additional clues).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 16, 2013, 07:33:01 pm
Hoh, Hum, back to Cave Maps........

It takes time for us old codgers to come up to speed :'( :'(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 16, 2013, 08:03:48 pm
Hoh, Hum, back to Cave Maps........

It takes time for us old codgers to come up to speed :'( :'(

Yes it does :weep:.
Whilst the cave is listed by CaveMaps it might not be a heap of use. Mendeleev might be though.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 16, 2013, 10:21:56 pm
Mendeleev . . . . elements . . . . but silver was always silver . . . . wasn't it?

Ahhh . . . AG Pot, AKA Grange Rigg Hole? (Thus acknowledging oneself as an old codger!!!!!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 16, 2013, 10:29:02 pm
 That's it Fulk :bounce: , originally named after Arthur Gemmel. The refs to 'heap' in the additional clues are to David Heap's classic book which describes a descent of Grange Rigg.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 16, 2013, 11:21:08 pm
OK, 'tis late . . . . . mañana. (see bograt, tildas an all!!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 17, 2013, 08:05:04 am
Swan and Belgian town after last of May (9 letters . . . Pot / Cave / Hole whatever understood)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 17, 2013, 08:28:29 am
Penyghent Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 17, 2013, 09:26:55 am
Yep, grahams . . . too easy, huh?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 17, 2013, 07:13:51 pm
Thanks Fulk. Ghent gave it away.

Try this -

"The labourer might eat this Chinese food after the result of a day's digging"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Elaine on August 17, 2013, 08:32:58 pm
Red Rice Hole.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mr Fell on August 17, 2013, 08:37:56 pm
Navvy noodle hole !
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mr Fell on August 17, 2013, 08:44:36 pm
Urban Belgian Dairy Lenght
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 18, 2013, 09:12:12 am
Navvy noodle hole !
Navvy Noodle it is Mr Fell.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on August 18, 2013, 09:39:28 am
Long churn
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mr Fell on August 18, 2013, 10:02:46 am
Nope !
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 18, 2013, 10:04:08 am
Penyghent Long Churn?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 18, 2013, 10:31:46 am
Churn Milk Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mr Fell on August 18, 2013, 10:52:34 am
No sorry
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 18, 2013, 11:00:31 am
Town Drain?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mr Fell on August 18, 2013, 11:02:33 am
Fulk has it
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 18, 2013, 05:50:11 pm
Beer stream bomb, it's said (8, 4; Pot / Hole / Cave / whatever understood)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 18, 2013, 06:18:38 pm
Ayleburn Mine cavern
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 18, 2013, 07:16:15 pm
yes indeed, bograt  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 18, 2013, 09:30:32 pm
Cheers  :)

Philosophically replace first with second on idiots excavation.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 18, 2013, 11:10:59 pm
Price's Dig?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 19, 2013, 10:29:42 am
Not Prices
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 19, 2013, 11:01:56 am
Hillocks mine ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 19, 2013, 11:07:04 am
Well done Roger - Just pipped me to it! Not that we know its right of course!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 19, 2013, 12:33:43 pm
Over to you Roger. :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 19, 2013, 04:37:00 pm
Tailless theropod wanders about claiming ownership
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 19, 2013, 04:58:27 pm
Odin Mine ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 19, 2013, 05:09:58 pm
Correct, Jason!  Over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 19, 2013, 10:53:21 pm
Roger and Bograt sailing home - me, I'm lost !
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 19, 2013, 11:53:53 pm
Boggarts Roaring Hole, I wondered how long it would be!! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 20, 2013, 08:39:45 am
Indeed, back to you Boggart  Bograt :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 20, 2013, 10:29:01 am
Where Tennyson might lead Maud.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 20, 2013, 10:31:56 am
Into the Garden Pot  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 20, 2013, 10:46:32 am
Not quite,  :unsure:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 20, 2013, 12:00:24 pm
Just plain "Garden Pot"?



Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 20, 2013, 12:05:53 pm
nope
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 20, 2013, 12:30:18 pm
Black Bat Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: paul on August 20, 2013, 12:32:52 pm
nope

Are you leading everyone up the Garden Path?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Alex on August 20, 2013, 01:12:09 pm
OFD, as that was accessed by a garden?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 20, 2013, 01:16:39 pm
Where Tennyson might lead Maud.
Alum Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 20, 2013, 01:54:08 pm
That'll be one for you Paul.  :clap2: :clap2: :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: paul on August 20, 2013, 05:14:09 pm
I'll let someone else take my go - I've never been any good at crossword puzzles...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on August 20, 2013, 05:25:03 pm
Brilliant, I can never get them but I like thinking I can!

How about this:


Pulled back from the tip at last, shortened Gaping Gill named by off duty Top Cat rival before losing the gear stick backwards in wriggle, near Manchester   (6 6 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 20, 2013, 07:13:03 pm
That'll be one for you Paul.  :clap2: :clap2: :lol:

Well done to Paul but there are two answers to this conundrum  :beer2: the end of Tennyson's Walk on the IoW is Alum Bay, hence Alum Pot.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 20, 2013, 07:15:17 pm
Aah, but was Maud with him?? :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 20, 2013, 07:31:17 pm
Ah but did Maud go down OFD? Anyway good clue - had me reading some ALT for the first time in my life. He says he went caving in Maud: a Monodrama and he cried and cried and cried - must have seen one of my digs.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 20, 2013, 07:32:03 pm
Quote
Aah, but was Maud with him?? 

Nah, she was in the garden!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 20, 2013, 07:58:53 pm
That'll be one for you Paul.  :clap2: :clap2: :lol:

Well done to Paul but there are two answers to this conundrum  :beer2: the end of Tennyson's Walk on the IoW is Alum Bay, hence Alum Pot.

Could that be the Diggle Wiggle Pit?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on August 20, 2013, 10:21:58 pm
Yep  :clap2:

Good clue?  :-\   I enjoyed fitting it in.

Pulled back from the tip at last, shortened Gaping Gill re named by off duty Top Cat rival before losing the gear stick backwards in wriggle, near Manchester


Pulled back from the tip at last = pit, at the end.
Shortened Gaping Gill = GG
Top Cat rival = Officer Dibble, off duty = dibble
renamed by GG =  dibble becomes diggle
before wriggle losing the backwards on a gearstick 'R'
near Manchester because I was worried it'd be obscure (obiously not!)

Diggle Wiggle Pit


Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 21, 2013, 12:11:31 am
Ta muchly.... have a go at this one then.....

Fabric screen contains lines and section of woven tracery.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 21, 2013, 08:56:31 am
Valley Entrance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 21, 2013, 09:04:13 am
That's the one Grahams - would you care to elucidate for the others?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 21, 2013, 09:24:47 am
That's the one Grahams - would you care to elucidate for the others?
Thanks - I was hoping you wouldn't ask as I'm not entirely sure:

Fabric screen contains lines and section of woven tracery.

The hidden word 'entrance' (minus n) gave it away. Contains lines is 'll' leaving 'vaney' (from 'valley' and 'n') which is nearly 'vanity' (screen)-
the bit I'm not sure about.

Here's another easy one -

"Sounds like an ancient bell"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 21, 2013, 10:25:55 am
That's the one Grahams - would you care to elucidate for the others?
Thanks - I was hoping you wouldn't ask as I'm not entirely sure:

Fabric screen contains lines and section of woven tracery.

The hidden word 'entrance' (minus n) gave it away. Contains lines is 'll' leaving 'vaney' (from 'valley' and 'n') which is nearly 'vanity' (screen)-
the bit I'm not sure about.

Nearly! I had...

Fabric screen = VALANCE
contains = VAL....ANCE
lines = LEY (as in ley lines)
and section of wovEN TR = ENTR

I should have come up with a better word than tracery but it seemed to fir the clue!

Anyway, as for yours - Old Ing?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 21, 2013, 10:47:15 am
That didn't last long - it's your's Andys :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 21, 2013, 11:31:08 am
Lets see how long this one last then.....

A cover version containing pale example of hierarchical structure.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 21, 2013, 11:55:24 am
Rowan Tree Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 21, 2013, 12:12:38 pm
...not long it seems! Over to you Bograt...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 21, 2013, 01:00:22 pm
Ta;

    F' ing Toper.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 21, 2013, 01:04:34 pm
Broken Finger Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 21, 2013, 01:07:09 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go for it Grahams :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 21, 2013, 01:43:09 pm
Ta,

"inexperienced investor with bad intent"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 21, 2013, 08:26:19 pm
Wretched rabbit?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 22, 2013, 08:18:04 am
Greenbank something?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 22, 2013, 09:21:06 am
Sure its "Green" something.

I'll go for "Green Cowden Chert Mine", most likely incorrect but at least it advertises another Derbyshire site!! ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 22, 2013, 09:25:42 am
Time for a clue: weirdly named, 4, 4 letters.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 23, 2013, 10:20:42 am
Tent Mine  :ras:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 23, 2013, 10:27:12 am
"inexperienced investor with bad intent"
Time for a clue: weirdly named, 4, 4 letters.

Lamb Leer?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 23, 2013, 10:35:01 am
Phew, that's a relief - over to you Bograt :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 23, 2013, 10:45:21 am
More by inspiration than deduction! :-[

Apostles put up barrier to alien tailing communist Ben.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 23, 2013, 10:05:53 pm
O.K., Bank Holiday weekend, I will sit on it till Tuesday, unless other sad b*ggers are still around and want to contribute.  :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 25, 2013, 09:10:38 am
Well, I'll have a stab at St Cuthbert's Swallet, though I don't think it's right as it hasn't got Ben or red and St Cuddy isn't an apostle....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 25, 2013, 09:46:44 am
You are correct in assuming its not right  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 27, 2013, 04:51:51 pm

"Apostles put up barrier to alien tailing communist Ben."

OK, holidays over, back to work you cryptic cavers ;D;  clue;

"These apostles could go marching in to So'ton F.C."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 27, 2013, 10:58:15 pm
Could be Redhurst Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 28, 2013, 08:50:33 am
I think you may have it there.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 28, 2013, 10:59:29 am
Yup!. all yours grahams.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 28, 2013, 06:54:03 pm
Yup!. all yours grahams.  :thumbsup:
Thanks Bograt. Here's another:

"Trepanning will result in one of these"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 28, 2013, 07:41:33 pm
Deaths Head Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 29, 2013, 08:11:30 am
Good answer Dunc :clap2:. Not what I had in mind (Pate Hole) but over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 29, 2013, 05:39:49 pm
 ;D cool..

Here we go:
 
A kiss and cuddle lacks the first element, whilst the party lacks direction.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 31, 2013, 04:57:33 pm
About 2 days and no guesses, I seriously doubt I've set something to flummox you lot! Anyway, I'll offer a small clue: (4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 31, 2013, 06:14:03 pm
Smoo Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 31, 2013, 06:27:09 pm
 :clap2: spot on bograt, over to you..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 31, 2013, 07:06:45 pm
Oh dear, smooch without H is smooc – huh?  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 31, 2013, 07:08:13 pm
Thanks Dunc;

Bkt telescopes.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on August 31, 2013, 09:46:46 pm
Oh dear, smooch without H is smooc – huh?  :-\
And party, as in rave, without direction (right, or R) is ave leaving smooc ave.. A simple shuffle of a letter produces the result. Considering some of the howlers I've seen in this thread it ain't that bad, not quite crossword friendly but not totally obtuse, at least not in my eyes!  :doubt:

Perhaps it's time to retire this thread to the same as wezzit - look at but no longer waste my time withreply to..  :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on August 31, 2013, 10:43:49 pm
Drat Dunc that's the only one I got! Though I've never heard of smoo cave so though it must be something else.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on September 01, 2013, 08:57:16 am
(Out) Sleets Beck Pot? (don't know where the 'out' has got to though in the anag if this is correct).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 01, 2013, 09:52:14 am
Correct Grahams, the letters are of "Sleets Beck Pot" but they are "Out" of order, geddit? ::)
(I think its called an implied anagram indicator)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on September 01, 2013, 04:17:52 pm
Aha I see. Thanks Bograt.

"Sounds like you'd better do this carefully before descending"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 03, 2013, 05:11:44 pm
Rigwell? (More of a "bump" than a guess!!) :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on September 03, 2013, 06:11:24 pm
Rigwell? (More of a "bump" than a guess!!) :shrug:
Might be a bump but you're 90% of the way there.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 03, 2013, 07:23:50 pm
Ok, Try Wellrig??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on September 03, 2013, 08:10:32 pm
Ok, Try Wellrig??
So near that all I can do without giving it away is: 4, 3 letters. The clue works just as well without the word 'carefully'.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 03, 2013, 08:21:32 pm
O.K., let someone else have a go before I have another "shot in the dark", they might at least know where you are thinking of, I don't like guessing! ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on September 03, 2013, 08:50:45 pm
Rigg Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 07, 2013, 11:11:21 pm
Bump
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on September 08, 2013, 07:49:34 am
Rigg Pot?

Sorry Bograt - been away.

It's over to Dunc - Rigg Pot is correct. :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on September 08, 2013, 09:03:42 am
I should thank bograt, his guesses pointed me in the right direction!  :thumbsup:

Here we go with a quickie (I'm off out soon for the day, so if anyone guesses and knows it, carry on) :
I'd ring the doorbell on the hill, but it's not working.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on September 08, 2013, 09:18:23 pm
Knock Fell Caverns?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on September 08, 2013, 09:25:40 pm
Spot on Roger W, over to you..  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on September 08, 2013, 09:30:20 pm
Thanks, Dunc.

Over to the culinary section, then, and a vessel for preparing consommé with a spinachy flavour.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 09, 2013, 01:19:00 pm
Green Water Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on September 09, 2013, 02:51:16 pm
Hadn't heard of that one, so no...  not what I had in mind.

Where is it, by the way?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 09, 2013, 03:14:41 pm
In my fragmented, demented mind  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on September 09, 2013, 11:14:14 pm
Iron Kiln Pot ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on September 10, 2013, 09:32:26 am
Bograt's closest so far....

The clue is in the stew...   8)   
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on September 11, 2013, 02:06:03 pm
We seem to be stuck here.

The stuff in the soup - giving its name to the cooking vessel - is alleged to have "astringent, expectorant, tonic, anti-inflammatory, diuretic properties" and to be "an important source of beta-carotene, vitamin A, C and E, iron, calcium, phosphates and minerals. All these qualities recommend it as a powerful remedy against hepatic, arthritic or rheumatic conditions, and as an adjuvant in treating allergies, anemia and kidney diseases."

Every caver should consume bucketfuls of the stuff!

But it's best avoided when looking for caves while wearing shorts and sandals...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on September 11, 2013, 03:56:32 pm
Hey that's my favourite prospecting gear - goes with the beard.

Nettle Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on September 11, 2013, 08:03:22 pm
That's the one!  Over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on September 11, 2013, 08:53:52 pm
Cheers Roger.

Here's a quickie:
"Not found by Sumo, hole in a very strategic location".
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on September 13, 2013, 08:10:27 am
Time for a clue. The answer is hidden but staring you in the face. One word, six letters.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 13, 2013, 08:28:25 am
Mohole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on September 13, 2013, 08:45:55 am
Mohole?

That's the one Andys :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 13, 2013, 09:28:01 am
This probably won't last long. Or will it?

"Its barren with cavalry squad reformed!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 13, 2013, 10:50:41 am
Barlands Quarry Cave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 13, 2013, 01:03:27 pm
Spot on Bograt - over to you....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 13, 2013, 01:46:00 pm
Ta;

  " I thrash stone before getting the third Hoover back"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 15, 2013, 03:19:45 pm
Clue;

  COPD, a few yards from the Derbyshire Border.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 15, 2013, 03:49:51 pm
Ecton Hill Caves?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 15, 2013, 04:17:28 pm
Not that far over the border :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 15, 2013, 07:36:32 pm
Is Ilam Rock Cave any closer to the border?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 15, 2013, 11:01:33 pm
Thats the one andy :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 16, 2013, 12:39:47 am
Try this un then....

"Had seen improvement in hard work!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 17, 2013, 07:31:49 pm
Is it time for a clue, perchance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 21, 2013, 10:21:53 am
Hmm, "hard work"; strife, labour, slave, toil, drudge, -----anyone????? :'( :'(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 23, 2013, 12:44:45 am
CLue then - this "hard work" sounds like it could be drawn out - with axes!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 23, 2013, 03:56:26 pm
And a pointer - its 7,5 and in Northern Caves Vol 1.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on September 23, 2013, 04:18:59 pm
Well Spittle Croft cave is the only one I can find but can't seem to make it fit the clue??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 23, 2013, 05:23:36 pm
Well Spittle Croft cave is the only one I can find but can't seem to make it fit the clue??

That's 'cos it ain't the right answer!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 23, 2013, 05:26:52 pm
lets try Grenade Shaft

("Had Seen" in Graft)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 24, 2013, 08:44:47 am
That's the one Bograt!

(And for the follow-up clue, "graft" sounds a bit like "graphed" - which can be said to be 'drawn out, with an axis or two'....)

Over to you........
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 24, 2013, 11:33:30 am
Thanks Andy - all hail Cave Maps! :bow: :bow: ;;


 "Sounds like something passed in race by Teletubby model on horse"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 30, 2013, 02:41:42 pm
OK, now you've all returned from your jaunt to Monmouth Comprehensive School, a clue;

Significant depth potential, COPD.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on October 03, 2013, 12:13:32 pm
Blind Ruminant here
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on October 06, 2013, 05:38:07 pm
Usually shit at this but that will be Mountbatten Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 06, 2013, 09:26:43 pm
All yours Mark :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 06, 2013, 09:33:58 pm
Could someone enlighten us (well, me) as to what is the clue and what is the answer?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 06, 2013, 09:40:17 pm

 "Sounds like something passed in race by Teletubby model on horse"


OK, now you've all returned from your jaunt to Monmouth Comprehensive School, a clue;

Significant depth potential, COPD.

Usually shit at this but that will be Mountbatten Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 06, 2013, 10:40:46 pm
 :( :( :( :( :(  I'm none  the wiser; COPD – chronic obstructive pulmonary disease . . . . . ?????
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on October 07, 2013, 09:03:01 am
Something passed in race (batten)
Horse (mount)
Tellytubby (po)
Model (t)

Copd (caves of the Peak District)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 07, 2013, 10:30:49 am
Thank you, Mark.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on October 07, 2013, 11:24:13 am
Try this one


"Sounds like empty greyhounds with rural Italian river twisting to right"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on October 07, 2013, 05:14:32 pm
Try this one


"Sounds like empty greyhounds with rural Italian river twisting to right"

Clue: Important Archaeological Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 07, 2013, 06:18:29 pm
Hmmm, got to be a "pot" or a "tor"???
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on October 07, 2013, 06:47:00 pm
Hmmm, got to be a "pot" or a "tor"???

No it hasn't
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 07, 2013, 07:52:16 pm
Without much confidence -  Madawg Shelter?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on October 07, 2013, 08:22:26 pm
Without much confidence -  Madawg Shelter?

 :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: exsumper on October 08, 2013, 11:54:01 am
 Dog Hole Cave, Haverback ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Antwan on October 08, 2013, 12:55:53 pm
Magnetometer
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on October 08, 2013, 04:12:16 pm
clue: its in caves of the peak district, but not in the peak district
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 08, 2013, 04:32:24 pm
Dog Hole Fissure, Creswell?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 08, 2013, 05:46:24 pm
Not worked out the full anagram yet but it looks like it may be Mother Grundys Parlour.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 08, 2013, 06:23:12 pm
Got it now  :thumbsup: Brilliant clue ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 08, 2013, 07:32:18 pm
so "Sounds like empty greyhounds with rural Italian river twisting to right"  =  Mother Grundys Parlour

Go on then, tell me why.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on October 08, 2013, 08:35:55 pm
Sounds like empty = MT and with "greyhounds" is an anagram of Mother Grundys (albeit with a missing r)
Italian river = Po which gives parlour as an anagram with rural

Maybe the "twisted right" bit is the clue to the anagrams and gives the missing r?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 08, 2013, 10:15:13 pm
Thats how I read it, took me a while to find the M & T for mother, awaiting confirmation from Mark :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 08, 2013, 10:52:52 pm
Far too convoluted.

Every 'proper' cryptic crossword I've ever tried to do includes the actual letters of anagrams (or uses very simple clues like 'S' for south), and doesn't leave you to work out first of all what those letters are!!!!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on October 09, 2013, 07:10:30 am
Not worked out the full anagram yet but it looks like it may be Mother Grundys Parlour.

mt (sounds like empty) greyhounds - rural  - po (italian river) twisting (anagram) to R (right)

Nice one Boggy

Far too convoluted.

Every 'proper' cryptic crossword I've ever tried to do includes the actual letters of anagrams (or uses very simple clues like 'S' for south), and doesn't leave you to work out first of all what those letters are!!!!!

So this is a crossword now is it, maybe you would prefer the Daily Star version

Ma, Underpants, Living Room, - Archaeological Cave at Cresswell





Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 09, 2013, 07:40:12 am
I liked the clue anyway :thumbsup: :thumbsup: thanks Mark.;

   " Dianna evens out your heartless sales promotion, Bless !"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 09, 2013, 09:16:38 am
Dan yr Ogof?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 09, 2013, 10:19:03 am
All yours Graham :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 09, 2013, 10:43:25 am
Cheers Bograt.

"Provides lone protection from chalara fraxinea?"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 09, 2013, 01:24:56 pm
Especially For Fulk;
   " Dianna evens out your heartless sales promotion, Bless !"

   Dianna - even letters out = D A N
   Your - heartless (heart out) = Y  R
   Sales promotion - Buy One Get One Free - BOGOF
   Bless - B  less - take out the B = OGOF.

    Clear enough?, not too convoluted I hope?   :) :) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 10, 2013, 07:47:17 pm
Cheers Bograt.

"Provides lone protection from chalara fraxinea?"

OK a clue - Peak District archaeological site.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 11, 2013, 12:22:57 am
I'm gonna go with Shay Lodge Sinks - but not quite sure why!?!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 11, 2013, 09:55:28 am
I'm gonna go with Shay Lodge Sinks - but not quite sure why!?!
Nah - Google 'chalara fraxinea' for the handle for this clue. (3, 3, 7) - not an anag BTW.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on October 11, 2013, 10:14:15 am
Found it...

One Ash Shelter
 :-)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 11, 2013, 12:17:58 pm
Found it...

One Ash Shelter
 :-)

 :thumbsup: That's the one.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on October 11, 2013, 12:55:34 pm
George and Andrew's severe effort while exploring mine
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on October 11, 2013, 01:55:38 pm
Gautries Hole/Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 11, 2013, 05:16:39 pm
Quote
   " Dianna evens out your heartless sales promotion, Bless !"

   Dianna - even letters out = D A N
   Your - heartless (heart out) = Y  R
   Sales promotion - Buy One Get One Free - BOGOF
   Bless - B  less - take out the B = OGOF.

    Clear enough?, not too convoluted I hope?     

Thank you, bograt
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 11, 2013, 06:51:29 pm
I was thinking more along the lines of Wham Sough, though can't make the second word fit (Yet).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on October 11, 2013, 07:37:05 pm
Perhaps I should quantify that I do not know this particular object (for all I know it may not exist!) and have simply lifted it from a list of caves/mines of the Peak (that is a clue BTW). And suffice it to say that Bograt is on the money, but not quite there yet!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 11, 2013, 08:01:59 pm

Wham Climbing Shaft?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on October 11, 2013, 08:08:11 pm
That's the one Graham. Over to you....  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 11, 2013, 10:45:39 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol: gud on yer hoelen---etc. :lol: :lol: :lol: you are welcome to it Graham :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 12, 2013, 09:33:53 am
Thanks Hoelenforscher and to Bograt for his Wham knowledge :-[. I almost feel bad for pinching the answer.

Here's another:

"Definite article falls apart"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 12, 2013, 06:39:18 pm
"Definite article falls apart"

To help you along a couple of clues:

3, 8 like Lancashire cheese
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on October 12, 2013, 07:54:55 pm
Crumbly cheese perhaps? So; The Crumbles?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 12, 2013, 10:13:58 pm
 :clap2: That's it Dunc. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on October 12, 2013, 10:36:26 pm
The clue definitely helped!

Here we go with a quickie:
Ahem Alan, caution is required as you appear to be confused..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on October 14, 2013, 09:53:23 pm
Early week blues perhaps, I've certainly not kerfuffled people, will provide a clue tomorrow if I must..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on October 30, 2013, 09:51:56 am
Early week blues perhaps, I've certainly not kerfuffled people, will provide a clue tomorrow if I must..

And the clue is?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on October 30, 2013, 11:34:53 am
Oooh, I'd forgotten about that..    Erm, quick clue; Anagram..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 30, 2013, 11:59:25 pm
Waylam Lane Hole?

Made it up but it seems to fit!!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on November 02, 2013, 06:08:19 am
If someone else wants to post a new one feel free, I've not got time for this.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 02, 2013, 02:48:11 pm
Ok this one shouldn't be too hard.

Finished every book as Mr Ross would say, and not for the first time by the sound of things.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 02, 2013, 04:42:50 pm
Jonah should know the answer to this one...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 04, 2013, 02:56:03 pm
Looks like Agen Allwedd to me (it's in W(h)ales...)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: hoehlenforscher on November 04, 2013, 04:06:12 pm
Took me a while but I can see it now. Nice one :-)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 04, 2013, 04:48:34 pm
That's it Roger or as Mr Ross would say Woger
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 04, 2013, 05:40:21 pm
An awkwardly narrow pitch to descend, did you say?  I didn't think it was...   
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 04, 2013, 07:18:17 pm
How does:
Quote
Finished every book as Mr Ross would say, and not for the first time by the sound of things.
become:
Quote
Agen Allwedd
?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on November 04, 2013, 07:23:07 pm
How does:
Quote
Finished every book as Mr Ross would say, and not for the first time by the sound of things.
become:
Quote
Agen Allwedd
?

I'm guessing Allwed = all read (as spoken by Jonathan Ross...) and Agen = again
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 04, 2013, 09:07:36 pm
How does:
Quote
Finished every book as Mr Ross would say, and not for the first time by the sound of things.
become:
Quote
Agen Allwedd
?

I'm guessing Allwed = all read (as spoken by Jonathan Ross...) and Agen = again

Yup spot on.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fred on November 04, 2013, 10:06:58 pm
Quote
An awkwardly narrow pitch to descend, did you say?  I didn't think it was...

Titan
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 04, 2013, 11:35:23 pm
That was quick   :thumbsup:

Over to you, Fred.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on November 05, 2013, 12:22:35 pm
How does:
Quote
Finished every book as Mr Ross would say, and not for the first time by the sound of things.
become:
Quote
Agen Allwedd
?

I'm guessing Allwed = all read (as spoken by Jonathan Ross...) and Agen = again

It's a great clue, didn't have the foggiest before I knew the answer and after, blatantly obvious!   :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on November 05, 2013, 12:33:33 pm
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/encryptic.png)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fred on November 09, 2013, 12:57:41 am
Apologies but not around much online at the moment so I'm going to pass on my go - it's open to anyone else.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 12, 2013, 01:56:38 pm
Just to start the ball rolling again, how about.......


"Car version? Broom version!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 13, 2013, 02:25:50 pm
Nice....   Borrins Moor Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 14, 2013, 11:43:58 am
Spot on Jason - over to you.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 14, 2013, 07:58:54 pm
Thanks Andy...


With bike race in cartoon explosion after a party - look out!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on November 15, 2013, 01:15:29 am
Dowkabottom Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 15, 2013, 01:13:28 pm
 :clap2: Spot on, Bob! 
I thought that might keep folk guessing a bit longer, but you're obviously up to Bletchley Park standard :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bottlebank on November 15, 2013, 01:37:16 pm
:clap2: Spot on, Bob! 
I thought that might keep folk guessing a bit longer, but you're obviously up to Bletchley Park standard :)

I'm obviously not, been lurking on this thread for a while and am still mystified by how you come up with and solve these? I don't think my brain works in the right way :-)

How do you get from "With bike race in cartoon explosion after a party - look out!" to Dowkabottom Cave?

 :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on November 15, 2013, 02:07:13 pm
How do you get from "With bike race in cartoon explosion after a party - look out!" to Dowkabottom Cave?

I'm a fan of Roy Lichtenstein's work, so "Boom!" just leapt out, then "Kaboom"!, then TT - Isle of Man bike race ( common in crosswords in the papers, as is "Do" for party and "W" for with); "Cave" is probably the least obvious word - but I happen to know it's Latin for "beware", or look out.
So-
Party with TT in Kaboom, Cave = Do W Kabo tt om Cave.

I know. I'm sick. I can't help it; I hope this one's ok:-

You get 7 points for this shake hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 15, 2013, 02:39:10 pm
Black Pot? (Where's that?)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bottlebank on November 15, 2013, 02:45:31 pm
How do you get from "With bike race in cartoon explosion after a party - look out!" to Dowkabottom Cave?

I'm a fan of Roy Lichtenstein's work, so "Boom!" just leapt out, then "Kaboom"!, then TT - Isle of Man bike race ( common in crosswords in the papers, as is "Do" for party and "W" for with); "Cave" is probably the least obvious word - but I happen to know it's Latin for "beware", or look out.
So-
Party with TT in Kaboom, Cave = Do W Kabo tt om Cave.

I know. I'm sick. I can't help it; I hope this one's ok:-

You get 7 points for this shake hole

Thanks Bob, not sure about sick but there's a certain twisting, meandering turning going on somewhere :-) Impressive thought process though, doubt I'll ever get there. Black Pot I can see  :coffee:

I wonder if anyone has ever studied abnormalities in the brains of people who come up with these things?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on November 15, 2013, 05:11:44 pm
Black Pot? (Where's that?)
shake and shiver?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 15, 2013, 06:10:58 pm
Black Pot? (Where's that?)
shake and shiver?
Apologies if I'm stepping on your toes a bit here TBE but the answer's gotta be Black Shiver Pot. As you've done all the work its yours if you want it - assuming that's it's right.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on November 15, 2013, 08:00:54 pm
Well no, Andy S did the work, I was just hinting that he was very close to getting it.

I'll leave it to AndyS because I'll just get told off by Fulk for not posting a "proper" clue  :kiss2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anon on November 15, 2013, 08:56:36 pm
Surely it should be that classic pothole on Leck Fell;  Pot Black..  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on November 16, 2013, 02:20:47 am
... but the answer's gotta be Black Shiver Pot.

Spot on, Graham! Who's next?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 16, 2013, 09:01:33 am
... but the answer's gotta be Black Shiver Pot.

Spot on, Graham! Who's next?

Well I don't know but since I'm up earliest (apart from BobG) here's an easy one to keep things moving:

"ʕ gnillihs a"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 17, 2013, 05:37:57 pm
BitterEnd:

Quote
I'll leave it to AndyS because I'll just get told off by Fulk for not posting a "proper" clue 

Too right . . . but I see that Bottlebank's on my side  :tease:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 17, 2013, 07:40:40 pm
I thought this should be easy for the old folks at least. Here's a bit of help -

"ʕ gnillihs a" (1, 1)

My money is on Fulk getting this.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on November 17, 2013, 08:26:54 pm
P5
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 17, 2013, 09:04:50 pm
Quote
My money is on Fulk getting this.

Nah, sorry, i don't see what c-cedilla has to do with P5 or any other cave . . . and you're not suggesting that I'm one of the 'old folk' are you?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 17, 2013, 10:30:34 pm
Or GG. Or AG.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 17, 2013, 10:58:34 pm
Quote
My money is on Fulk getting this.

Nah, sorry, i don't see what c-cedilla has to do with P5 or any other cave . . . and you're not suggesting that I'm one of the 'old folk' are you?

OO no Fulk. I hoped that you might appreciate a clue of the highest quality  :doubt:

I have a slightly devious mind (possibly partly thanks to BobG's influence) which is sometimes an asset when solving crosswords although maybe not for setting clues; just trying sommat different as I'm no good at granaams.

A shilling is 5p. 'gnillihs a' is 5p in reverse == P5, with a bit of poetic license on the capitalisation hence the backwards question mark.

Any road, stevlet_scg  you are correct  :clap2: so over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on November 17, 2013, 11:32:03 pm
And I'm not even that old.

It's hard work guessing but harder dreaming up the clues - apologies in advance if I don't follow the rules of the clue setting - just ignorance that's all!

'Without an atomic bomb the Milliner would end up in a bog and then surrender'

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on November 18, 2013, 12:34:00 am
'Without an atomic bomb the Milliner would end up in a bog and then surrender'

Attermire Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on November 18, 2013, 01:54:24 pm
Easy stuff! All yours bob
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on November 19, 2013, 01:29:22 am
Try this:

Israeli kid reported off the coast of Iran
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on November 19, 2013, 12:34:20 pm
Juniper Gulf
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on November 19, 2013, 11:54:37 pm
All yours, bograt.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on November 20, 2013, 12:42:16 pm
"Sounds like I own an extra ten chains"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 20, 2013, 01:18:26 pm
Furlong Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on November 20, 2013, 01:47:00 pm
Nearly, what about the "extra"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 20, 2013, 01:52:24 pm
Moorfurlong Mine (shamelessly cribbed from Mine Explorer)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on November 20, 2013, 03:28:27 pm
 :clap2: :clap2:, Thats what its there for, :), All yours Crickley.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 20, 2013, 04:08:20 pm
Analyst's moldy stew must be thrown out.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 20, 2013, 04:34:04 pm
Symonds Yat Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 20, 2013, 04:40:17 pm
Too easy eh? All yours
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 20, 2013, 07:49:52 pm
Too easy eh? All yours

Thanks Crickleymal - good anagram.

Three times the kudos for solving this:

"Holding doleful inclination with a birk for these three connected caves"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on November 21, 2013, 12:24:41 am
"Holding doleful inclination with a birk for these three connected caves"

Old Ing, Dismal Hill & Birkwith ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 21, 2013, 08:27:38 am
They're the ones BobG. Next Please.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on November 21, 2013, 11:30:50 am
12,4,4 - in a pretty cheesy area:

be ace, kick the chav twat - sorted!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 21, 2013, 01:20:38 pm
Thackthwaite Beck Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on November 22, 2013, 12:31:11 am
Over to you, Graham...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 22, 2013, 08:19:52 am
Cheers Bob. I'm outa here for a while so over to someone else ...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 25, 2013, 10:26:57 am
In like a rocket then! Have a go at this.

"Thick fog offshore, obscuring shapely point."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: kay on November 26, 2013, 04:09:53 pm
Araucaria died today
http://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/2013/nov/26/araucaria-john-graham (http://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/2013/nov/26/araucaria-john-graham)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 26, 2013, 05:13:24 pm
No!!  I knew he had cancer, but thought he had a couple of years in him yet.

Alas, and alack, truly the end of an era.  Thank goodness we've still got Paul....
(with apologies for being off topic)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 27, 2013, 09:05:09 am
Alas, and alack, truly the end of an era.  Thank goodness we've still got Paul....
(with apologies for being off topic)
Indeed,, a great shame but he lived to a ripe old age.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 29, 2013, 07:26:18 pm
In like a rocket then! Have a go at this.

"Thick fog offshore, obscuring shapely point."

I think we might need a bit of help here Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 30, 2013, 08:27:40 pm
OK a clue or two - the point is a cardinal one, and the river is a dry one. Any help?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 01, 2013, 10:06:29 pm
Err . . . what river?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on December 01, 2013, 10:19:40 pm
I'm guessing it's Ogof Hesp Alyn, mainly from the dry river clue...

ogof = f(og of)fshore
Shapely point, anagram of shapely and compas point N = Hesp Alyn...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 02, 2013, 09:01:01 am
Spot on Les - over to you.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 06, 2013, 09:51:27 am
Spot on Les - over to you.....

Gis a clue Les. :bounce:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on December 07, 2013, 01:05:16 pm
Sorry peoples, I forgot I won!
No time to lovingly hand craft a clue so somebody else can have a go...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 07, 2013, 02:35:14 pm
Confucius, he say so velly due to be porruted...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 07, 2013, 04:30:12 pm
Quote
Confucius, he say so velly due to be porruted...

Errr . . . is that a clue?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 07, 2013, 07:17:20 pm
Quote
Confucius, he say so velly due to be porruted...

Errr . . . is that a clue?

Um - yes.  Anagram plus indicator.    ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 22, 2014, 08:28:28 pm
Time for a clue I think Roger ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bottlebank on May 22, 2014, 09:00:45 pm
Valley Entrance, but then this isn't my sort of thing.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 23, 2014, 11:40:49 am
Oh dear!  So long since I posted that one, I've a) forgotten what the answer is, and b) can't manage to work it out!   :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:

It was an anagram of the first bit, but the trouble with anagrams is that they are blindingly obvious when you know the answer but can be as impenetrable as Derbyshire cave mud when you've forgotten it.   :'(

Something easier, that even I might be able to remember the answer:

Top Maul.


Anyone who can work that out can have the next go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 23, 2014, 12:14:53 pm
Ha, Ha nice one Roger.

It's must be Alum Pot.

I'll post a clue when my cryptic head is back on.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 23, 2014, 03:32:16 pm
Over to you, Grahams    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 23, 2014, 06:16:11 pm
I don't think we've had these as yet:

"Lanky relatives at two points" 3, 3, 4 and 3, 3, 4

Two answers, not an anag.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 23, 2014, 06:39:03 pm
Shoud that be 4, 3, 4 for both?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 23, 2014, 08:13:21 pm
Shoud that be 4, 3, 4 for both?

Sorry folks, I am the weakest link - 4, 3, 4 for both.

Thanks for pointing out my stupidity Bograt.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 23, 2014, 11:24:49 pm
Shoud that be 4, 3, 4 for both?

Sorry folks, I am the weakest link - 4, 3, 4 for both.

Thanks for pointing out my stupidity Bograt.

Not stupidity, merely lapse in concetration, its been a long time :thumbsup:

Let folks have a go before I have to think of a clue :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 24, 2014, 08:27:31 pm
Shoud that be 4, 3, 4 for both?

Sorry folks, I am the weakest link - 4, 3, 4 for both.

Thanks for pointing out my stupidity Bograt.

Not stupidity, merely lapse in concetration, its been a long time :thumbsup:

Let folks have a go before I have to think of a clue :lol:

Go for it Bograt. Let's breath some  :bounce: into this forum.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 24, 2014, 11:11:25 pm
OK, Long Kin East/West.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 25, 2014, 09:10:38 am
OK, Long Kin East/West.

That's correct. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 25, 2014, 09:20:50 am
Baffle saltire.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 26, 2014, 10:15:17 am
Stump Cross...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 26, 2014, 12:49:09 pm
All yours Roger.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 26, 2014, 02:25:33 pm
Mr Barlow's Orifice
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 28, 2014, 12:07:47 pm
Kens back passage?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 28, 2014, 02:21:02 pm
Which Mr Barlow? 

He was commonly known as "Old Ned."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 28, 2014, 03:58:30 pm
Hangmans Hole.

BTW, there is a place called
Kens back passage?

In Owl Hole, Peak District.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 28, 2014, 05:28:09 pm
Learn summat new every day!   :)

Over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 28, 2014, 09:28:48 pm
Learn summat new every day!   :)

Over to you!

Thaks, Roger, wouldn't have got it without the clue, he's not in Wiki's list of famous Barlows ;)


Try this one everyone;
"Swing low, the EMO line"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 30, 2014, 10:13:51 am
Try this one everyone;
"Swing low, the EMO line"

Clue; Derbyshire, "Owd Gits" stomping ground.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on May 30, 2014, 12:37:18 pm
Try this one everyone;
"Swing low, the EMO line"

Owlet Hole Mine

With thanks to the COPD Index (http://www.thedca.org.uk/Publications/Cotp-index.pdf)...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 30, 2014, 01:26:42 pm
Over to you Spike, well done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on May 30, 2014, 04:36:29 pm
Mercy buckets...

Here we are then:

Confusing bylaw reels two around a bend
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 31, 2014, 04:25:54 pm
Am I right in thinking the total letter count comes to 14 (or maybe 15?) and there is no definer (cave, pot, mine etc.) ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 31, 2014, 06:32:06 pm
I thought "Wensleydale babe," then realised I had miscounted the letters...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on May 31, 2014, 10:08:37 pm
19 letters, three words, one of which is a speleological feature...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 01, 2014, 06:04:49 pm
Tyning Barrow Swallet nearly fits.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 02, 2014, 12:44:53 am
Bowery Corner Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 02, 2014, 12:58:25 am
Well done andys...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 02, 2014, 08:40:49 am
Super duper ....lets try this 'un....

Camouflaged aircraft in HD?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on June 02, 2014, 09:26:03 am
Arachnid Rift

Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 02, 2014, 10:14:08 am
That's the one, Maj - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on June 02, 2014, 12:40:22 pm
Ah Yes Ok then.
Hmmm! Not very good at crosswords so you'll have to excuse me if this is not a recognized format.


Shake despoil her, but mind those legs.


Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on June 02, 2014, 02:08:05 pm
Spider Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on June 02, 2014, 03:10:47 pm
Correct, Spider Hole it is.

Over to you Speleofish.

Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on June 02, 2014, 03:47:41 pm
Peculiar swamp
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 02, 2014, 06:33:23 pm
Oddmire?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on June 03, 2014, 10:42:13 am
Sorry for the delayed reply. Oddmire it is. Over to you
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 03, 2014, 12:05:38 pm
So lets have a mildly topical one...

"War won! Liberals sent packing!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 03, 2014, 12:32:01 pm
Nine Barrows Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 03, 2014, 12:36:40 pm
That were quick Spike - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 03, 2014, 01:10:40 pm
It's to be found in Rev. Ochre's Chateau...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 03, 2014, 01:33:35 pm
Charterhouse Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 03, 2014, 02:23:05 pm
Too easy :down: I'm at work and didn't have time to think of a clue that wasn't an anagram.

I like the phrase though - think I'm gonna call Charterhouse that from now on

To you then Monsieur Bograt...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 03, 2014, 03:34:39 pm
Ta :)


Female throws song at length.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: mmilner on June 04, 2014, 01:41:54 am
Ta :) Female throws song at length.

Hmm. Gentlewoman's shaft exiting through Youds Level?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 04, 2014, 09:37:27 am
Right book, wrong catchment.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 04, 2014, 07:50:28 pm
Shelob's Lair?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 04, 2014, 10:05:01 pm
And back to you, andys. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 04, 2014, 11:42:19 pm
Right then (he says, after a couple of pints of the most excellent stout) have a go at this....

"Point with crossing and two fives in a line!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 05, 2014, 08:48:32 am
Sandford Levy?

BTW Shelob's Lair - good 'un Bograt  :bow:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 05, 2014, 09:28:15 am
Sandford Levvy (hasn't it got two "v's" BTW?) si spot on, so over to you Grahams...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 05, 2014, 10:15:49 am
Cheers Andys and yes you're right - two v's.

Try this -

'Lost in bootleg linseed' is this hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on June 05, 2014, 10:57:08 am
Eglins?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 05, 2014, 11:33:20 am
Eglins?

That's the one Speleofish. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on June 05, 2014, 04:15:52 pm
Try this... It ends in 'Cave'
Hawks with gravity, not temperature.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 06, 2014, 07:26:33 am
Gough's Cave? - though that would only work if you meant corvids instead of hawks! :-)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 06, 2014, 11:10:06 am
Gough's Cave? - though that would only work if you meant corvids instead of hawks! :-)

Not really, 'hawks' has several meanings, one is to clear the throat as in 'cough'.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleofish on June 06, 2014, 11:39:52 am
Andys has the right answer, Bograt has the right explanation. Over to you Andys...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 06, 2014, 03:57:14 pm
.....thx, though more by luck than judgement it seems  :)

Anyway, try this.....

"Turn L in Mud Hall to join the queue!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 06, 2014, 07:37:13 pm
.....thx, though more by luck than judgement it seems  :)

Anyway, try this.....

"Turn L in Mud Hall to join the queue!"

Disappointment Pot on a winch meet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 06, 2014, 09:22:15 pm
Too true! - but it ain't Dis.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 09, 2014, 07:51:33 pm
Its all gone very quiet? Methinks a clue may be in order so, its three words (6,4,4) and its in NC3.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 09, 2014, 08:10:11 pm

Anyway, try this.....

"Turn L in Mud Hall to join the queue!"

(New page, I hate having to flip back! :unsure:)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 09, 2014, 11:45:54 pm
Dunald Mill Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 10, 2014, 08:17:29 am
Dunald Mill Hole it is (interesting place BTW!) so over to you Bograt!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 10, 2014, 08:45:27 am
Dunald Mill Hole it is (interesting place BTW!) so over to you Bograt!

Please explain Andys or Bograt. Ta.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on June 10, 2014, 09:34:48 am
Knowing the answer, it's easy...

"L in mud hall" plus "dole" ('Join the queue' for it) can be rearranged to make Dunald Mill Hole.

S'not so easy when you don't know the answer, though!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 10, 2014, 10:55:16 am
Thanks Andy, and Roger (saves me the job :thumbsup:) ;

" American league, inexperieced 20, celebrated on 8/5/45."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 10, 2014, 11:09:30 am
Quote
Knowing the answer, it's easy...

"L in mud hall" plus "dole" ('Join the queue' for it) can be rearranged to make Dunald Mill Hole.

S'not so easy when you don't know the answer, though!

S'not so easy when you are under the impression (illusion?) that all the letters of an anagram should be included in the clue, rather than that one clue leads to another!!! :confused:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 10, 2014, 11:50:03 am
Quote
Knowing the answer, it's easy...

"L in mud hall" plus "dole" ('Join the queue' for it) can be rearranged to make Dunald Mill Hole.

S'not so easy when you don't know the answer, though!

S'not so easy when you are under the impression (illusion?) that all the letters of an anagram should be included in the clue, rather than that one clue leads to another!!! :confused:

Errrm! Agreed. But DOLE wasn't "anagrammificated": rather it was just split into D and OLE and then these parts joined by the anagram element. Apologies if I'm wrong but I thought that was reasonable?? I, too, am no fan of the "clue to a clue" thingy.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 10, 2014, 11:55:23 am
Ah, I see.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 10, 2014, 12:23:41 pm
Quote
Knowing the answer, it's easy...

"L in mud hall" plus "dole" ('Join the queue' for it) can be rearranged to make Dunald Mill Hole.

S'not so easy when you don't know the answer, though!

S'not so easy when you are under the impression (illusion?) that all the letters of an anagram should be included in the clue, rather than that one clue leads to another!!! :confused:

Errrm! Agreed. But DOLE wasn't "anagrammificated": rather it was just split into D and OLE and then these parts joined by the anagram element. Apologies if I'm wrong but I thought that was reasonable?? I, too, am no fan of the "clue to a clue" thingy.

Thanks Roger/Andys. That wasn't easy even knowing the answer.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 14, 2014, 02:36:50 pm
Thanks Andy, and Roger (saves me the job :thumbsup:) ;

" American league, inexperieced 20, celebrated on 8/5/45."

Time for a clue; My stomping ground.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 14, 2014, 05:12:46 pm
Boggarts Roaring Holes?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 14, 2014, 06:40:09 pm
How did you get that Graham??, Wrong ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mrs Trellis on June 15, 2014, 07:16:13 am
Bograt's stomping ground - the Eagle Hotel Buxton?

Actually it's Ivy Green Cave - Stoney Mid.

Ivy (league)
Green (inexperienced)
Ca (20)
ve (celebrated on 08/05/1945)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 15, 2014, 08:22:13 am
All yours Mrs Trellis. Long time since I've been to the Eagle. ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mrs Trellis on June 15, 2014, 11:57:26 am
Flag on the bow and sensimilia gives a record of US$474,000,000.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 16, 2014, 01:14:04 pm
Hmm, Jack Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mrs Trellis on June 16, 2014, 01:59:57 pm
Jackpot aka P8.

 Too easy. Over to you Bograt.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 16, 2014, 02:06:16 pm
Cheers :thumbsup:


"Cauldron for manly Dexter?"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 16, 2014, 02:49:15 pm
Bull Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 16, 2014, 03:01:11 pm
Bull Pot?

Almost, a little more please? :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 17, 2014, 08:58:16 am
Bull Pot?

Almost, a little more please? :)

Bull pot of the Witches?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 17, 2014, 11:22:07 am
Thats the one Crickley, over to you :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 17, 2014, 11:49:36 am
Hail family of worms (not posh) says the Roman, weed in line.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 17, 2014, 04:29:59 pm
How does '"Cauldron for manly Dexter?"' come to mean BPoW?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 17, 2014, 04:55:27 pm
" Manly Dexter", Dexter is a breed of cattle so a manly one would be a "bull."

 "Cauldron" is a witches pot, so "pot of the witches".
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 19, 2014, 02:45:36 pm
Surely you don't need a hint for mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 19, 2014, 03:52:50 pm
All I could come up with was Valley Entrance, but I can't make it all fit!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 19, 2014, 04:11:37 pm
Quote
" Manly Dexter", Dexter is a breed of cattle so a manly one would be a "bull."

 "Cauldron" is a witches pot, so "pot of the witches".

Thank you, bograt.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 19, 2014, 04:37:10 pm
No probs Fulk, BTW, just noticed this thread has reached 50 pages, party time?? :lol: :lol: :bounce: :bounce: :beer2: :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 20, 2014, 10:01:49 am
All I could come up with was Valley Entrance, but I can't make it all fit!

Nope Mendip cave. Think Roman for hello (refer to your Asterix books)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 20, 2014, 10:12:35 am
Avelines hole.

(Should that be "line in weed"?; Ho-l-e)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 20, 2014, 11:59:14 am
That's the one. Ave = Hail, Family of worms = lineus -U for posh, all in latin.

Ok the syntax is a bit different "weed in line" but acceptable having been doing some of the Grauniad's and Independent's cryptic crosswords recently. Well, when I say doing that's a bit of a loose definitiion in itself.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 20, 2014, 12:17:28 pm
Cheers.

"Mood swing in Chardonnay, for example."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 20, 2014, 02:35:42 pm
Wood Mine?

Pure guess as I've never heard of the place.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 20, 2014, 04:27:13 pm
Windegg Mine Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 20, 2014, 07:07:03 pm
Crickleymal has it, its one of the Alderly Edge Mines.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 22, 2014, 10:26:01 am
Crazy ensign in virgin mire
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Elaine on June 25, 2014, 07:16:29 pm
Juniper Gulf.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 25, 2014, 09:14:26 pm
Nope and how did you come up with that?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 25, 2014, 10:35:41 pm
singing river mine
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 26, 2014, 08:52:27 am
You've got it. An anagram of ensign Virgin mire
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Elaine on June 26, 2014, 08:57:29 am
Well, um, crazy ensign was flag rearranged - Gulf (ok, I had to change a letter) and there is gin in virgin. Er, I was just hoping there was a logical explanation for the rest of it!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 27, 2014, 08:37:24 pm
Confused Mr Men characters, back in the hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 28, 2014, 07:49:36 am
Confused Mr Men characters, back in the hole

I don't like the above clue, reads better as

Confused Mr Men back in the hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 29, 2014, 08:37:52 am
Noon's Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 29, 2014, 03:38:17 pm
Noon's Hole?

No, not Noons (how did you arrive at that by the way)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 29, 2014, 04:37:11 pm
Noon's Hole?

No, not Noons (how did you arrive at that by the way)

Mr No is a Mr Men character. Am I thinking on the right lines BTW?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 29, 2014, 04:46:49 pm
Noon's Hole?

No, not Noons (how did you arrive at that by the way)

Mr No is a Mr Men character. Am I thinking on the right lines BTW?

I like your thinking, but not on the right lines
(copd if that helps)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 29, 2014, 06:13:22 pm
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease doesn't help me.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 29, 2014, 06:41:42 pm
Not knowing quite why: Merlin's Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 30, 2014, 09:45:36 am
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease doesn't help me.

::) Caves of the Peak District

and no not Merlins
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 05, 2014, 05:55:31 pm

Confused Mr Men back in the hole


Cmon I think you are thinking too much about this one
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on July 05, 2014, 06:30:06 pm
I suspect it's actually quite the opposite...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 07, 2014, 08:09:45 pm

Confused Mr Men back in the hole


Cmon I think you are thinking too much about this one

Gis a clue - we're stuck.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 08, 2014, 12:11:04 am
Anagram
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 08, 2014, 08:29:33 am
Anagram

I'd assumed that - still can't do anything with it though.  :wall:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 08, 2014, 09:59:26 am
Been purposely holding back to give others a go, you've all had long enough;;

Holme Bank Chert Mine.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 08, 2014, 10:14:12 am
That probably qualifies you to wear the Anagram Solvers' jersey...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 08, 2014, 11:47:49 am
Been purposely holding back to give others a go, you've all had long enough;;

Holme Bank Chert Mine.

Nice one boggy
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 08, 2014, 12:26:45 pm
Like I said, its a question of wavelengths, I've known you for while Mark ;)

Something slightly different;--


"Any back right in Manchester United, rescue writer Lewis's initial exchange."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 09, 2014, 08:38:31 am
a lazy guess: Mulu ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 09, 2014, 11:25:48 am
a lazy guess: Mulu ?

Far too lazy Jason  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: TheBitterEnd on July 09, 2014, 01:34:36 pm
At risk of sounding a bit peevish or pedantic, it seems to me that Jason's answer fairly well fits the clue  (there is perhaps a bit more in the clue than the answer uses but it fits none-the-less) and this seems to have happened several times with answers. In a crossword the number of words and letters per word is known, also the clue would contain the type as well as the name of a thing (e.g. mine, pot, swallet, cave, region of the world, etc).

So to inject a bit more life into the thread, may be giving numbers of words and letters would help? It would at least allow people to rule out possible answers and avoid looking silly.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 09, 2014, 02:58:18 pm
O.K.;

"Any back right in Manchester United, rescue writer Lewis's initial exchange." (8, 4.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on July 09, 2014, 07:23:02 pm
At the risk of being accused of being a pendant I would point out that Mulu is not actually a cave but is a place...  :smartass:

There are a couple of caves in Mulu though...  :unsure:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 09, 2014, 09:54:54 pm
At risk of sounding a bit peevish or pedantic, it seems to me that Jason's answer fairly well fits the clue  (there is perhaps a bit more in the clue than the answer uses but it fits none-the-less) ....

to be fair to Bograt, I didn't think it fit all that well, but I couldn't be bothered to research the many writers called Lewis and thought I'd have a punt.

<wind-up alert>Anyway, it's probably some obscure hole in Derbyshire I've never heard of.....</wind-up alert>
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 10, 2014, 12:53:43 am
<wind-up alert>Anyway, it's probably some obscure hole in Derbyshire I've never heard of.....</wind-up alert>

 :lol: :lol: :lol: First clue Jason !!  :lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

(although recently mentioned on this site!)

I think the pendant ought to go to Les W.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 10, 2014, 08:13:28 am
I got the writer bit and how that fits into the last word. I just can't find an answer to the first word.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 10, 2014, 10:08:26 am
Manynaru Cave  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 10, 2014, 02:02:13 pm
Almost there Fulk. :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 10, 2014, 02:10:08 pm
Putting "any" back with an 'r' for 'right' in Manchester United could give "Myanaru"

"Save" with an exchange of the initials of CS Lewis gives "cave."

Not enough letters for the first word... (drat!)

Somewhere in Derbyshire??

Maynard's cave???
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 10, 2014, 02:15:01 pm
Try again!

What colour shirts do Man United wear?

Reds + yna + r + cave = Reynard's Cave in Dovedale...   
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 10, 2014, 02:17:33 pm
 :lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: all yours Roger.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 10, 2014, 02:55:25 pm
Yo' mus' be desperate to catch yo' frog.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 10, 2014, 05:25:52 pm
Dan Yr Ogof?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 10, 2014, 06:58:57 pm
That must have been too easy!

Over to you, Graham.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 11, 2014, 09:50:06 am
Thanks Roger - good to see one that was a bit easier.

This shouldn't be too hard:

"this crag is getting higher" (6, 4, 6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 11, 2014, 07:39:37 pm
Malham Cove Rising ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 12, 2014, 09:20:44 am
That's the one JasonC. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 12, 2014, 12:50:32 pm
Thanks Graham - I must admit that having lit on 'rising' I just searched various cave lists till I came to one with the right number of letters :)

Anyway, try this:

Party! Brew up a measure - young boy embraces US bum.

I'll add the letter count if no-one gets it by tomorrow

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 12, 2014, 01:31:07 pm
Hmm, "young boy" - Page?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 12, 2014, 01:50:21 pm
Dowbergill Passage
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 12, 2014, 03:52:52 pm
Top marks, Fulk !  :clap2: :clap2:

... and somewhat topical.

In case anyone needs an explanation, party=DO brew up=WBER, measure=GILL, US bum=ASS, contained in PAGE=young boy

all yours....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 12, 2014, 04:01:16 pm
Turns out we maids lack pace in Verna (7, 8, 7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 12, 2014, 04:30:13 pm
Turns out we maids lack pace in Verna (7, 8, 7)

Pikedaw Calamine Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 12, 2014, 05:25:17 pm
Huh; that didn't last long! Over to you, Mark.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 13, 2014, 09:27:25 am
Quote
Huh; that didn't last long! Over to you, Mark.

Oh dear; that sounds so churlish! Sorry  :(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 13, 2014, 12:21:23 pm
What I should have said is 'Well done for getting it so quickly'. :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 14, 2014, 08:27:41 pm
Drunk Dons roll sign, around battery terminal (6, 2, 3, 11)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 22, 2014, 01:15:15 pm
Perhaps time for a clue please Mark?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 22, 2014, 06:43:29 pm
Perhaps time for a clue please Mark?

More than one swallow
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: traff on July 23, 2014, 06:40:51 am
Sótano de las Golondrinas
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 23, 2014, 08:16:22 am
Sótano de las Golondrinas

Nice one traff
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 23, 2014, 08:26:27 am
Sótano de las Golondrinas

Yep, get all that - but I still can't find 5 letters (AASOT) in the anagram part? Or am I missing something?  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 23, 2014, 09:01:43 am
I parse it as an anagram of "dons roll signs" plus "anode" but then I'm left with SAT
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 23, 2014, 09:15:04 am
As far as I know, all the clues so far have been for caves of the UK. Are we now including world caves? If we are then an indicator of location might help reduce my aspirin intake.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on July 23, 2014, 10:26:25 am
perhaps:

drunk = sot
terminal = anode

then if you take battery = aa
and merge that into the anagram of "dons roll sign"

you can get "las golondrinas"

As far as I know, all the clues so far have been for caves of the UK. Are we now including world caves? If we are then an indicator of location might help reduce my aspirin intake.

I don't see an issue with spreading the net a little wider, especially if we're staying with relatively famous ones. SdlG is almost certainly more well known than some of the UK caves we've had in this thread. and yes, I know I've put at least one overly obscure UK cave up...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 23, 2014, 11:00:04 am
As far as I know, all the clues so far have been for caves of the UK. Are we now including world caves? If we are then an indicator of location might help reduce my aspirin intake.

A precedent has been set, see post 55, page 3.

Anyway, Traffs go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Alex on July 23, 2014, 03:04:55 pm
Manchester hole?

Traffs = Old Trafford?

Never any good at these.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 23, 2014, 03:19:22 pm
ftfagos pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 23, 2014, 03:22:23 pm
Anyway, Traffs go.

Er, don't that just mean that its Traff's turn to set the next clue, rather than actually BE a clue?  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 23, 2014, 03:46:31 pm
I think we're having a larf till the next clue comes along.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 23, 2014, 04:39:00 pm
Manchester hole?

Traffs = Old Trafford?

Never any good at these.

haha Alex, classic  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 23, 2014, 11:16:35 pm
I still don't 'get' Sótano de las Golondrinas' from the clue . . . would you care to explain, Mark?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: traff on July 24, 2014, 01:55:52 am
ok, Traff is my nick name.....short for Trafford.......and I'm only 38........not old.......

Anyway whilst I visit this forum daily (without login in I add), I've never read this thread previously, I only glanced at it as the crow/concreting arguments have dried up.

I was working on the 'anode' part and the hint was a total give away.

To be honest cryptic clues are not my forte. Please give me a day or two to think about it.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 24, 2014, 07:20:55 am
I still don't 'get' Sótano de las Golondrinas' from the clue . . . would you care to explain, Mark?


perhaps:

drunk = sot
terminal = anode

then if you take battery = aa
and merge that into the anagram of "dons roll sign"

you can get "las golondrinas"


 :)



Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 24, 2014, 08:04:08 am
Oh, I see, you're using 'drunk' to mean a) a sot and b) an anagram indicator . . . a bit dubious  ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 24, 2014, 11:50:27 am
No, 'around' is the anagram indicator, its on the end of sot anode.  :smartass:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 24, 2014, 01:05:35 pm
Mmmmmm - but isn't "AA" both the answer to a sub-clue ("battery") AND a part of the subsequent anagram ( AA DONS ROLL SIGN = LAS GOLONDRINAS)  ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 29, 2014, 07:58:00 pm
Its Traff's go really but hope no-one minds if I jump in under the "5 day rule". (Or is that for vegetables  :) ) So try this quicky to keep things rolling along...

"Electrical arc we novices constructed."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on July 30, 2014, 05:39:39 am
Water Icicle Close Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 30, 2014, 08:46:06 am
That's the one Bob G!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on July 30, 2014, 09:19:44 am
Not an anagram, but a bit crosswordy:

Many accidents here around winter-time in Paris.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Barny on July 30, 2014, 09:30:46 am
Black Shiver Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on July 30, 2014, 09:36:33 am
I didn't think that would last long!

All yours, Barny.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Barny on July 30, 2014, 10:59:13 am
No SW of France for this Spanish Cubist ought to make you doubly happy when doing this Derbyshire mine (6,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 30, 2014, 04:26:41 pm
Nicker Grove?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Barny on July 31, 2014, 02:31:26 pm
Not Nicker Grove

Is there somebody that can take custody of this if I give them the answer.

I had not considered the responsibility of answering the last one and am caving at the moment so will have very limited access to the internet after tomorrow.

Or just forget it and some one else start a new one.


Cheers

Barny
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 31, 2014, 03:00:06 pm
Hi Barny, If you PM me the answer I will take over for you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 03, 2014, 02:49:33 pm
No SW of France for this Spanish Cubist ought to make you doubly happy when doing this Derbyshire mine (6,5)

Barny has sent me the solution, time for a clue;
 
The main part of the clue is a double definition of the first word, the second word is implied by 'Derbyshire mine'.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 04, 2014, 08:18:33 am
Magpie Sough?

As in Magpie has the latin name Pica Pica, and PICASSO (the famous Spanish Cubist) without SW (which, in France, would be SO) makes for PICA.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 04, 2014, 08:30:05 am
Correct Andys (plus of course 'one for sorrow, two for joy' ---etc.)

All yours andys.  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 04, 2014, 08:54:11 am
Cheers, and here's one to have a go at....

Blows, and could be blown, before losing nerve in scam.  (7,4,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 04, 2014, 09:01:10 am
Magpie Pica Pica Sough!!!!!!! That is so convoluted   :confused:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mrs Trellis on August 04, 2014, 09:58:25 am
 :lol:

7,4,7

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on August 05, 2014, 05:17:14 pm
Windegg Mine Caverns
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 06, 2014, 09:04:21 am
That's the one !

"Blows" = WIND, "could be blown" = EGG, and the rest is an anagram of "nerve in scam".

Over to you Mark!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 10, 2014, 02:40:19 pm
Bump
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 10, 2014, 05:08:55 pm
Knock Fell Caverns?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2014, 06:51:05 pm
 :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 11, 2014, 03:19:16 pm
I was thinking more of Hillocks! :lol:, but Knock Fell I like! :thumbsup:

Anyone else want to jump in with a clue in the absence of Mark or Traff?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 11, 2014, 03:48:56 pm
The gas board have been digging up Shudehill again...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 11, 2014, 03:59:38 pm
The gas board have been digging up Shudehill again...

If that is a clue, "Boggarts Roaring Hole?"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 11, 2014, 04:28:43 pm
That's one way to describe the gas board, but not the right cave, I'm afraid.    :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 11, 2014, 05:32:29 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol:, Didn't think so, too many 'g's in the answer, no 'T' in the clue  :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 11, 2014, 06:16:18 pm
Clue:  it's not an anagram!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 11, 2014, 07:25:32 pm
Manchester Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 11, 2014, 07:40:14 pm
Correct!  Over to you, Graham!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 11, 2014, 07:53:21 pm
Thanks Roger.

"Neither pessimistic nor optimistic for 24 feet of cave"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 11, 2014, 08:16:25 pm
'Scuse me . . how does
Quote
The gas board have been digging up Shudehill again...
= Manchester Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 11, 2014, 08:19:20 pm
Hmmm . . . Is there a cave called Four Fathoms something or other? Maybe it's a mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 11, 2014, 08:20:40 pm
Fulk,

Shudehill is a well-known road in Manchester (or at least I thought it was - try Googling it).

So we've now got a hole in Manchester... 


 8)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Lazarus on August 11, 2014, 08:53:10 pm
Fulk,

Shudehill is a well-known road in Manchester (or at least I thought it was - try Googling it).
Probably better known for its tram/bus interchange these days.


As for the clue; Hope Level Four Fathom Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 11, 2014, 11:24:51 pm
Quote
Shudehill is a well-known road in Manchester
And I'm supposed to know that? :unsure:  :shrug:

And where does the gas board come in?

Thing is, a cryptic clue is supposed to tell you what it represents; so some road in a big city does not mean that big city.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on August 12, 2014, 01:51:19 am
Seems you're not happy there Fulk though it seems grahams knew Shudehill was Mancunian.  I got that bit, but I will admit I spent a while googling gas companies trying to find a anagram of hole that was an acronym of a gas company or soemthing like that.  Felt like when you get a answer in a crossword from the letters in the grid from other answers rather than solving the clue, not quite convinced it's right.

As for the current clue, I can see most things pointing to Lazarus having got it, that is if Hopeful is Hope full where full is level, which I think would be a rather good clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 12, 2014, 08:43:49 am
Seems you're not happy there Fulk though it seems grahams knew Shudehill was Mancunian.  I got that bit, but I will admit I spent a while googling gas companies trying to find a anagram of hole that was an acronym of a gas company or soemthing like that.  Felt like when you get a answer in a crossword from the letters in the grid from other answers rather than solving the clue, not quite convinced it's right.

As for the current clue, I can see most things pointing to Lazarus having got it, that is if Hopeful is Hope full where full is level, which I think would be a rather good clue.

Fulk was almost there but Lazarus has it.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Lazarus on August 12, 2014, 01:24:18 pm
I was passing by and Fulk had part guessed which made it easy for me to guess the remainder of it! So I nominate Fulk for a turn, if he doesn't want a go then it's open to anyone..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 12, 2014, 03:45:21 pm
Thank you, Lazarus:

Tough green relatives opt out (10, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 12, 2014, 05:04:28 pm
Hardrawkin pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on August 12, 2014, 05:33:56 pm
oh drat, I spent a good bit of time on that one and was totally wrong in the premise. 
I was thinking 'relative' meant an anagram of 'Tough Green'.
It's always so obvious when you see an answer that fits as that does  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 12, 2014, 05:38:39 pm
Yep, that's the one, Bograt.  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 12, 2014, 05:52:01 pm
Cheers Fulk :thumbsup: ;


" Personal smell unknown, 'tain't yours."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 12, 2014, 06:28:32 pm
Box Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 12, 2014, 07:58:54 pm
Yup!! :thumbsup:, all yours andys
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 13, 2014, 12:18:40 am
This probably won't take long....

Country - one of a pair - starts evacuation before booby-trapped tunnel explodes.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 18, 2014, 11:12:44 am
Its two words, 12,4 if that's any help!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 18, 2014, 01:30:43 pm
Hollandtwine mine.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 19, 2014, 12:20:27 am
That's the one Bograt - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 19, 2014, 12:24:48 pm
Thanks Andys; one a bit outside the usual stomping grounds---

" Dyke beside short barrier leads to hole in the ground."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 25, 2014, 12:08:52 pm
Gis a clue Bograt.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 25, 2014, 12:16:28 pm
OK, its a natural cave in England, but not in Mendip, The Peak District, The Dales, or Devon, although it may be in "Other areas" in one of the guide books, I've not checked.

(8, 4.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 26, 2014, 09:03:12 am
Don't know why but Creswell Crag (Caves)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 26, 2014, 11:57:17 am
Don't know why but Creswell Crag (Caves)?

Go South, young man ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on August 26, 2014, 01:54:59 pm
Milkwall Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 26, 2014, 07:27:40 pm
At risk of being accused of extreme obscurity - Walditch Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 26, 2014, 08:34:30 pm
At risk of being accused of extreme obscurity - Walditch Cave?


Thats the one Grahams, why obscure?---

" Dyke beside short barrier leads to hole in the ground."

Dyke (ditch) beside barrier (wall), short (wal), hole in ground; cave.


Your go :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on August 26, 2014, 10:37:24 pm
It's so easy with the answer haha!  Ditchwal Cave  ;)



Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 27, 2014, 08:43:58 am
At risk of being accused of extreme obscurity - Walditch Cave?


Thats the one Grahams, why obscure?---

" Dyke beside short barrier leads to hole in the ground."

Dyke (ditch) beside barrier (wall), short (wal), hole in ground; cave.


Your go :thumbsup:

Cheers Bograt. I suppose the cave is well-known to all those Dorset cavers, to whom I apologise if I've caused offence.

This should be easy:

"Sounds like a mindless person leaps" (4, 4, 7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on August 27, 2014, 05:02:13 pm

This should be easy:


 :-[

I hate seeing those words describing a clue I can't get!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on August 27, 2014, 07:49:33 pm
Aire Head Risings perchance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 28, 2014, 08:12:15 am
Aire Head Risings perchance?

Very good. Over to you Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 28, 2014, 08:44:00 am
Quote
Thats the one Grahams, why obscure?---

" Dyke beside short barrier leads to hole in the ground."

Dyke (ditch) beside barrier (wall), short (wal), hole in ground; cave.

And there was I thinking it must be 'Wal-lezzie Cave'.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 01, 2014, 10:48:10 am
Aire Head Risings perchance?

Very good. Over to you Andys.


Giz a clue andys. :unsure:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 02, 2014, 10:20:57 am
Apologies for the delay chaps - been away on a long weekend! Anyway, here's a quick one to get the ball rolling again...

"Attempt more? Gone wrong!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2014, 12:48:38 pm
Magnetometer Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 02, 2014, 12:58:56 pm
Spot on Mark - over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2014, 01:12:55 pm
Twisted thread starter, or ginger halo's combined

(8'7'4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on September 02, 2014, 01:22:49 pm
Boggarts Roaring Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2014, 01:34:51 pm
Boggarts Roaring Hole

Over to you Spike
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on September 02, 2014, 03:03:00 pm
Read all about it! Read all about it! Read all about it! Read all about it!
Read all about it! Read all about it! Read all about it! Read all about it!
Wells aborts war!
Read all about it!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 03, 2014, 12:20:34 am
Nine Barrows Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on September 03, 2014, 01:11:45 am
Yarp...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Honest John on September 03, 2014, 03:31:49 am
Are new arrival to ukCaving.  Have people excavated in or outside Cryptic for new discovery prospect?  With what success?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 03, 2014, 09:51:23 am
Are new arrival to ukCaving.  Have people excavated in or outside Cryptic for new discovery prospect?  With what success?

Not sure that this is the thread you think it is Honest John!  :)

But the clue is...

"Closed. Point put to one side before Craven mess it up."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on September 03, 2014, 04:23:56 pm
Shute Shelve Cavern
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on September 03, 2014, 04:51:11 pm
Assuming it's right, another good clue!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 03, 2014, 06:46:39 pm
Assuming it's right, another good clue!

Thankyee kindly Ian, and it is indeed right - so back over to Spike again!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on September 04, 2014, 06:42:57 pm
Though it comes before a fall, it's missing the point and leads to Dudley's contraction. Fortunately, the Reverend's clue is often under the kitchen window.

6,5,4
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 04, 2014, 08:16:42 pm
Priddy Green SInk?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on September 04, 2014, 08:22:23 pm
Apparently we're on the same wavelength - no offence!

Off you go...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on September 04, 2014, 11:14:46 pm
That was another great clue! 
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 04, 2014, 11:48:39 pm
Right then, here we go....

"Adjusts his route in strong winds."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 09, 2014, 10:42:25 am
No takers? Perhaps a further clue is needed then - its (8,4) COPD.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on September 09, 2014, 10:50:15 am
That would be Gautries Hole then ?

Not sure of the relevance to emphysema though.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 09, 2014, 05:39:38 pm
Gautries it is so over to you......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on September 09, 2014, 07:40:56 pm
ok, try this....

Unknown doctor with pointless thermos, fifty/fifty about average ?      (3,4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 14, 2014, 04:11:28 pm
  .....       
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on September 14, 2014, 07:46:58 pm
Too tough, eh?   It's in NC3, if that helps....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 15, 2014, 02:01:48 pm
ok, try this....

Unknown doctor with pointless thermos, fifty/fifty about average ?      (3,4,4)


Dry Gill Cave?

Although the Gi (pointless thermos) elludes me.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on September 15, 2014, 10:00:21 pm
 :clap2:  :clap2:  :clap2:

Well done, Bograt - it was a bit convoluted - For you, and anyone else who cares:

Unknown doctor = DR Y  (X is usually the 'unknown' in equations, but Y is just as valid)
Fifty/fifty = LL
About = C
Average = AVE

The missing GI is a bit naughty...
'thermos' is an anagram of MOTHERS, so could be described as 'mother's ruin' = GIN, and if pointless, becomes GI...

I'll get me coat....

All yours, Bograt  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 16, 2014, 11:11:52 am
Jason, for Pete's sake! You should banned from this thread! (I thought it musty be Drx Flak Cave, but I couldn't find it anywhere.) :tease:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 16, 2014, 01:40:10 pm
OK, try this;

'Vend bits of a roach' (4,4,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on September 16, 2014, 04:41:52 pm
Fulk - ah, well you have to be prepared to THITHEBOXNK ;)

PS, you may find a hint to the latest one on the trips list :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 16, 2014, 04:47:53 pm
Sell Gill Holes?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 16, 2014, 05:50:58 pm
Sell Gill Holes?


Aah, too straight forward methinks, goforit Fulk :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :)


As for 'mothers ruin', I like it, but perhaps I should'nt  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 17, 2014, 07:54:34 am
OK:

Clean pen before left without right (8, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 17, 2014, 02:01:15 pm
I like the 'left without right' :thumbsup: still got to work the rest out though :down:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 17, 2014, 05:57:12 pm
Washfold Pot perchance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 17, 2014, 07:35:21 pm
Washfold Pot it is. :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 17, 2014, 08:32:11 pm
Excellent, so how about we...

"Mend backup plan on a1 container."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 20, 2014, 12:59:36 pm
Is A1 container Top Pot? As in Scar Top Pot (though I can't make Scar fit with the rest of the clue).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 20, 2014, 01:25:50 pm
Nope! And for a bit of extra help its a (9,3) sort of answer!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 20, 2014, 02:45:08 pm
Darnbrook pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 20, 2014, 03:56:20 pm
That's the one Bograt - and I'll leave you to explain it  :) . Anyway, over to you......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on September 20, 2014, 05:16:58 pm
Mend is Darn

backup plan is plan B

in chess a rook sits on A1

Container = pot

???
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 20, 2014, 07:10:57 pm
That's it Ian. Now lets see what Bograt serves us up with.......................
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 21, 2014, 02:20:22 pm
Sorry about the delay folks, too kn*ckered last night, and couldn't get on the site this morning, here goes---


'Existed back on line in Oxford'
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 29, 2014, 01:48:04 pm
Gizza a clue, Bograt?!?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on September 29, 2014, 01:54:44 pm
Was waiting or the excitement of sunny Leek to subside.  :beer2:


  'Existed back on line in Oxford'  (6, 4)

This particular one is 'darn sarf'.


Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 01, 2014, 10:34:57 pm
Another clue;

 'Oxford' could be a 'Brogue'---- or a trainer, or a plimsoll, or a sandal-----FFS!!
 Or even a Sabot or Clog.

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 07, 2014, 05:40:26 pm
OK, another clue;

Quote - - -
"There is a small cave near Compton Bishop
****** ****
that is not gated
it may have what some people seek."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 07, 2014, 05:48:25 pm
Denny's Hole? But apart from the line (l) in Oxford (Shoe) I can't work out why?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on October 07, 2014, 06:25:51 pm
A little light googling (plus andys' *****'s hole) led to this Whitelackington post (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=5896.msg81327#msg81327) from 2008

Searching for Devil's Hole on the MCRA website reveals it's an alternative name for Sandy Cave, and the thread linked to also refers to a mine at Bathampton (referred to as Devil's Cave/Mine on the MCRA site.

Andys, take the next go - I can't be bothered you deserve it...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 07, 2014, 06:44:34 pm
Devils Hole it is;

'Existed' = 'lived' backwards -- get it ??

Looks like your go Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 08, 2014, 01:24:47 pm
...deserved, or otherwise  :) , here goes....

"Sounds like a repeat before full set of endless betrothals."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 12, 2014, 11:36:11 am
I can see Rat Hole, but thats ignoring most of the clue! :-[
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on October 12, 2014, 08:04:33 pm
Agen Allwedd?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 13, 2014, 08:33:20 am
Indeed, Aggy it is to over to you.......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on October 13, 2014, 12:59:09 pm
Arrive with extra leanness or so they say.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on October 13, 2014, 03:10:02 pm
Cwmorthin?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on October 13, 2014, 04:11:40 pm
Yup, all yours
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on October 13, 2014, 04:55:28 pm
This one sounds as if it could cost you to travel in Cumbria.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on October 26, 2014, 03:17:43 pm
This one sounds as if it could cost you to travel in Cumbria.

Time for a clue Roger, before you forget it?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Anonymous x on October 26, 2014, 10:45:30 pm
Ten Pound Gill?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on October 27, 2014, 09:21:20 am
Forgotten all about this one!

 What do you have to do if - say - you travel on the special congestion-free (?) bit of the M6 round Birmingham?

 What caves are there in Cumbria? (Google is your friend...)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 27, 2014, 01:09:15 pm
Pate Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on October 27, 2014, 03:36:14 pm
That's the one.   :clap2:

Over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 27, 2014, 05:26:51 pm
Great! good old wikipedia, eek, my go then.


Launder, don't up the ante, the kitty, it's big enough for a flock (8,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 27, 2014, 05:58:10 pm
Washfold Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 27, 2014, 11:51:23 pm
Only just lasted half an hour!   :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 28, 2014, 09:28:56 am
Offer bugger RE – effect a cure? (7,6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 28, 2014, 09:58:28 am
Gouffre Berger?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 28, 2014, 12:10:54 pm
Quote
Only just lasted half an hour!   :clap2:

So did this!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 28, 2014, 01:41:39 pm
Have a go at this one then: possibly also one you can do in less than half an hour!  :)

Suspend relaying of manholes.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 28, 2014, 04:27:30 pm
Hangman's Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 28, 2014, 05:59:31 pm
Thats the one - and 2 hours 45 mins too!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 28, 2014, 09:34:11 pm
I was only listening to Dave and Alan Brook talking about there this morning!
ok

Midday with the first of each gap (7,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on December 21, 2015, 09:52:26 am
Oops! I got this wrong, a quick look on Wikipedia shows the clue should be like this

Midday's  with the first of each   gap (5,4)

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 21, 2015, 10:58:31 am
Noon's Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 21, 2015, 10:58:53 am
I'm a bit puzzled by the spelling of this one - could it also be known as nobody's orifice?

edit - I think young Fulk jumped in while I was typing...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on December 21, 2015, 11:07:42 am
BH-- Revitalised after 14months!--- ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on December 21, 2015, 12:25:03 pm
Not being Northern Irish, I won't pretend to be up to speed but I thought the cave was known as Sumera until Dominic Noone was chucked down it and it was referred to as Noone Hole.  I thought it would be spelt after the man, so my clue was:

Midday = Noon
with the first of each = E
Gap = Hole

Noone Hole. 

I thought it was a rather easy clue, which it was, just for a cave that doesn't exist!  :-[

Apologies for stagnating the thread by being under researched!  Fulk I am sure will do better!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 21, 2015, 04:37:18 pm
Let's hit messy eagle round this cave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 21, 2015, 05:25:32 pm
it's (3,8,6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 21, 2015, 09:50:04 pm
The Easegill System!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 21, 2015, 10:45:10 pm
You got it, andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 22, 2015, 08:17:20 am
Thx Fulk. Try this one then...

"Family. Members - Apple, Rhubarb and Gooseberry." (3,8)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 22, 2015, 08:26:03 am
The Crumbles?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 22, 2015, 09:04:45 am
That's the one Grahams - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 22, 2015, 05:55:45 pm
Cheers Andys.

Have a go at this:

"freshwater fish to reverse"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 23, 2015, 10:14:14 am
Car Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 23, 2015, 03:09:00 pm
That's it Andys. Hope there's more than the two of us playing.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 23, 2015, 05:11:04 pm
Yep! Getting a bit like tennis - anyone else got the balls for this racket?

So try this one...

"Confused poets rant in small bed." (9,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on December 23, 2015, 05:30:12 pm
A bit of a guess, well a big guess.

Spectacle Pot?



Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on December 23, 2015, 05:49:21 pm
Casterton Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on December 23, 2015, 06:18:13 pm
Aaa, skills, that looks right to me  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 23, 2015, 07:59:06 pm
Casterton Pot it is - over to you Steviet.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on December 24, 2015, 09:26:08 am
hhmm, seems that getting the answer right is the easy part ...

this is an easy one (and borrows heavily from the last clue) - I may be off line for a few days so if you know you're right just carry on ...

'this time of year plays havoc with Mrs Ashpit and she often ends up in the crib'

Steve
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 24, 2015, 09:31:50 am
'Tis the season to be jolly, and all that, so its got to be Christmas Pot methinks?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on December 24, 2015, 10:02:52 am
Indeedy. Back to you Andys

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on December 24, 2015, 10:20:43 am
Nice clue Stevie, and well done Andy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 24, 2015, 11:44:15 am
Try this then...

"That's one evil shale collapse!"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 24, 2015, 01:47:36 pm
Aveline's hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Laurie on December 24, 2015, 03:07:42 pm
Too easy  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 24, 2015, 09:00:03 pm
Avelines it is - your go Roger!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 24, 2015, 10:38:58 pm
Try this one:  Owned by a brown-robed bird-tamer, captured by the Spaniards in 1591.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Speleotron on December 25, 2015, 12:51:00 am
Radaghast's revenge? OR Radaghast pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 25, 2015, 09:52:49 am
"Sink me the ship, Master Gunner - sink her, split her in twain!"

Radagast's Revenge it is.

Over to you, Speleotron.

And a very happy Christmas to all cryptic cavers while we're at it!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 25, 2015, 10:49:46 am
Hi Roger, I get (got, in fact) Revenge, but what's the other part of the clue?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 25, 2015, 11:12:43 am
Hi Roger, I get (got, in fact) Revenge, but what's the other part of the clue?

Brown robed wizard with a penchant for birds in JRR Tolkein's Middle Earth methinks.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 25, 2015, 11:45:00 am
Thank you, andys. Happy Christmas.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 06, 2016, 02:42:46 pm
Cummon Speleotron - use it or lose it!  :tease:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 12, 2016, 10:10:23 am
I'll take that as a "lost it" then! So have a go at this:

Sounds like thievery by gangsters with French extraction!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 12, 2016, 11:31:18 am
Robin Hood's Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 12, 2016, 11:47:33 am
That's the one Grahams - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 12, 2016, 02:51:13 pm
Cheers Andys.

Here's another -

"first-class washbasin"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 12, 2016, 02:54:22 pm
Top Sink - he suggests, wondering if we've taken to ping pong!  ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 12, 2016, 02:56:04 pm
top sink?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 12, 2016, 02:56:25 pm
 :wall: damnit too slow
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 12, 2016, 04:12:14 pm
Hard luck JoshW. Andys has it.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 13, 2016, 10:43:55 am
Thankee - and tough luck Josh! maybe you'll have better luck with this one....

"Rhymer loses direction after trebles composition gets into the charts."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 13, 2016, 04:21:50 pm
Marble Steps Pot? but I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 13, 2016, 04:38:28 pm
Dammit, I was nearly there...

Rhymer loses direction = Pot
trebles composition = anagram of trebles
gets into the = in the middle of
charts = Maps

Ma[rble ste]ps Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pegasus on January 13, 2016, 05:48:22 pm
Love it, please keep these going because one day I will get one - and award myself a flippin prize  ;D

Pegasus,(who thought she was good at cryptic crosswords but finds she isn't  :-[)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on January 13, 2016, 06:05:58 pm
I like a letter count, which may make it a bit easier.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 13, 2016, 06:10:23 pm
Thanks for the explanation Spike. Assume it's OK to carry on Andys:

"The boggart's wife might do this if she gets cross" (6, 3)

As an aside and nothing to do with the clue, how about extending the scope to include well known cave features - it's getting hard to think up new clues for pot, cave, sink etc.

Great idea - Pegasus
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 14, 2016, 04:47:07 pm
"The boggart's wife might do this if she gets cross" (6, 3)

OK no takers - time for a couple of clues.

It's a wordplay rather than anagram and is a way into a major Dales cave, accessible only to the select few.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 14, 2016, 05:10:48 pm
I have an idea, but only by Googling around the clues - kinda feels like cheating, so I'll hold off for now to see if anyone else is going to guess...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 15, 2016, 08:15:20 am
I have an idea, but only by Googling around the clues - kinda feels like cheating, so I'll hold off for now to see if anyone else is going to guess...

Go for it Spike. I would guess that you've come across the Dales folklore which provides the handle for this clue. I don't see that as cheating.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 15, 2016, 08:43:57 am
Alright then, Jingle Pot...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 15, 2016, 09:10:21 am
Alright then, Jingle Pot...

Very close but not correct - remember the boggart's wife is cross.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 15, 2016, 12:28:40 pm
Hurtle Pot?

I went with Jingle as Jinny seems to be the (Green) Boggart's wife's name, and the number of letters fit!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 15, 2016, 02:53:12 pm
That's the one Spike.

Good logic regarding Jingle Pot but it didn't quite fit the clue. I hadn't come across Jinny but had an ancient memory of the Hurtle Pot boggart, probably from Bill Mitchell's writings in the Dalesman in the 60's.

Anyway, over to you.

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 15, 2016, 03:45:53 pm
Spain's domain lies between this farm building and an unimportant railway line.

(6, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: menacer on January 15, 2016, 04:00:16 pm
Barnes Loop?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 15, 2016, 04:03:01 pm
Aye, thought it might be a bit on the easy side...  :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: menacer on January 15, 2016, 04:09:10 pm
Its actually quite tough thinking one up isnt it.

Girls toy with a french ending lets all the heat out.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 15, 2016, 04:24:00 pm
Dolly Tubs?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: menacer on January 15, 2016, 04:25:37 pm
No.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pegasus on January 15, 2016, 08:07:24 pm
Its actually quite tough thinking one up isnt it.

Girls toy with a french ending lets all the heat out.

Can we please have number of words & numbers??  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Elaine on January 15, 2016, 09:42:00 pm
Dollimore Series?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: tamarmole on January 15, 2016, 10:17:52 pm
Its actually quite tough thinking one up isnt it.

Girls toy with a french ending lets all the heat out.

Would I be right in thinking that it somewhere in Eastwater?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on January 15, 2016, 10:34:26 pm
Hmm;
         Girls toy - suggests 'Doll', but maybe not,
         A French ending - suggests 'un', 'une', or 'H'   
         Lets all the heat out - suggests 'sink' to me---

Anyone ???

Would be useful to know whether it is a cave, or part of a cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: tamarmole on January 15, 2016, 10:39:42 pm
Hmm;
         Girls toy - suggests 'Doll', but maybe not,
         A French ending - suggests 'un', 'une', or 'H'   
         Lets all the heat out - suggests 'sink' to me---

Anyone ???

girl's toy = doll
French ending = fin
lets all the heat out = chimn??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on January 15, 2016, 10:42:47 pm
Ahaah, didn't think of that as a French ending  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: tamarmole on January 15, 2016, 10:54:59 pm
Altogether now "Dolphin Chimney"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on January 15, 2016, 11:04:39 pm
Where is it??? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

(Besides, I don't agree that a chimney lets all the heat out ---- smoke- yes, heat, no-)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on January 16, 2016, 08:33:02 am
Where is it??? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:


GIYF.... https://davethecave.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/eastwater-dolphin-chimney-9th-may-2006/ (https://davethecave.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/eastwater-dolphin-chimney-9th-may-2006/)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: tamarmole on January 16, 2016, 09:57:29 am
My go?

Fourth doctor's mixed up gratuity immediately predates the carboniferous. (6,3)

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on January 16, 2016, 10:07:39 am
Baker's Pit?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: tamarmole on January 16, 2016, 10:21:00 am
Baker's Pit?

Got it in one  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on January 16, 2016, 12:37:25 pm
Fly West Mr Connery for example, become disarranged to make a stone church. (6, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on January 16, 2016, 03:50:04 pm
Eglwys Faen
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: menacer on January 16, 2016, 04:55:53 pm
Altogether now "Dolphin Chimney"
:clap2:

Sorry forgot to add numbers and part of cave :-( Doubly well done taramole.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on January 16, 2016, 05:03:07 pm
Correct Mr Ship-badger. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on January 18, 2016, 11:18:46 pm
Sounding warmer and complete, there's no end to either. (5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 19, 2016, 08:21:32 am
Otter Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on January 19, 2016, 08:54:36 am
Malc has it. Your go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on January 19, 2016, 10:04:23 am
Good clue! Didn't have the foggiest but with the answer it's all of a sudden obvious!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 19, 2016, 03:09:13 pm
An easy one.

The complete toper I hear. (9,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 19, 2016, 03:21:18 pm
drunkards hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 19, 2016, 06:59:32 pm
Good clue! Didn't have the foggiest but with the answer it's all of a sudden obvious!

Yes, excellent clue. Managed to get the (w)hole bit but not Otter's
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 19, 2016, 09:31:45 pm
drunkards hole?

Yes, over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 20, 2016, 09:47:22 am
managers moneykeeper involved in place shifting (3,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 20, 2016, 11:06:21 am
Bos Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 20, 2016, 11:19:04 am
correct  :thumbsup:

Managers: Boss'
moneykeeper: wallet
place shifting = space shifting: boss wallet = Bos Swallet
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 20, 2016, 11:39:13 am
Super! Have a go at this one, though the letter count here would be a bit of a giveaway methinks, so how about we try without it first?  :) Though this is a cave and not a feature.

"Every other solo event is a beefcake in opt-out deal."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on January 20, 2016, 12:26:19 pm
Sleets Beck pot.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: RichardB1983 on January 20, 2016, 12:35:13 pm
Sleets Beck pot.

Should it not be "Out Sleets Beck Pot"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 20, 2016, 12:42:14 pm
'Tis indeed Out Sleets Beck Pot.

So should I give it to Bograt, who broke the back of it, or to RichardB, who added the finesse?

Well I think it should be RichardB as I don't think he's had a go before, so I hope Bograt forgives me!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 20, 2016, 12:45:30 pm
I still can't work it out and I've got the answer in front of me    :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 20, 2016, 12:58:25 pm
I still can't work it out and I've got the answer in front of me    :shrug:
"Every other solo event is a beefcake in opt-out deal."

In this case "every other" means "select every other letter from", and  from "s o l o e v e n t i s a b e e f c a k e" you get "sleetsbeck". And "deal" means to rearrange, and when you rearrange "opt out" you get "outpot". And finally "in" means put the first in the second, so you'd get "outsleetsbeckpot". Now its just a case of splitting out the words. Savvy?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: RichardB1983 on January 20, 2016, 01:00:43 pm
Well I think it should be RichardB as I don't think he's had a go before, so I hope Bograt forgives me!

Hopefully this will be ok...

Sombre chasm maybe part of a cave (4,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 20, 2016, 01:16:23 pm
well that is frankly genius.  :beer2: :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 20, 2016, 01:42:12 pm
Well I think it should be RichardB as I don't think he's had a go before, so I hope Bograt forgives me!

Hopefully this will be ok...

Sombre chasm maybe part of a cave (4,7)

Moss Chamber?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: RichardB1983 on January 20, 2016, 01:50:41 pm
Sombre chasm maybe part of a cave (4,7)
Moss Chamber?

Correct:

"Part of a cave": the definition.
"Maybe": indicator word for an anagram
"Sombre chasm" - anagram of "Moss Chamber"

Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 20, 2016, 03:55:36 pm
Dismal grime is strewn around here. 6,5
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 20, 2016, 06:48:13 pm
Gimli's Dream?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 20, 2016, 06:54:01 pm
Yes. I'm going to have to make these clues harder
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 21, 2016, 07:59:10 am
Thanks crickleymal.

"tough uncooked relatives after a mug (10, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 21, 2016, 09:16:07 am
Hardrawkin Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 21, 2016, 09:43:18 am
That's it Fulk. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 21, 2016, 12:05:19 pm
Aromatic tree with an awful gap (7, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 12:08:03 pm
Juniper Gulf
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 21, 2016, 12:35:22 pm
I didn't think that would be too difficult. Over to you, Alex.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 12:37:30 pm
Tunesmiths minus Jerry, change you to oh ” In the summer time”,  with half a half.  (5,4)


Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 21, 2016, 12:45:07 pm
mongo gill?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 12:47:58 pm
yes, Mongo Gill, it is your turn now JoshW

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 21, 2016, 12:53:39 pm
shuffled roman cloth worships in a cavity (10,6)

I think that works anyway!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 01:05:44 pm
Goatchurch Cavern
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 21, 2016, 01:07:46 pm
nailed it! over to you
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pegasus on January 21, 2016, 01:10:18 pm
Goatchurch Cavern


This thread is driving me nuts - please explain why Goatchurch Cavern  :blink:

Thanks, Pegasus
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 01:10:32 pm
Stop dancing on the ceiling and start digging (7? 4)


if I ask if an apostrophe counts as a character it will probably give you a clue, if it does (8 4).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 01:12:50 pm
 Toga=goat Worship =church cavity=cavern
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pegasus on January 21, 2016, 01:21:09 pm
Toga=goat Worship =church cavity=cavern

Thank you  :thumbsup:

Toga=goat, OK got it.  First trip I ever did btw  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 21, 2016, 01:31:30 pm
Stop dancing on the ceiling and start digging
Lionel's Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 01:34:52 pm
Spike, well done Sir  :clap2: your turn.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 21, 2016, 01:50:26 pm
Thank you

Shouting, I jumped from the bath and ran straight down the road to the intersection (6, 8)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 01:54:05 pm
Eurika Junction
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 21, 2016, 02:17:22 pm
that's a great clue! ALEXW on a roll today, absolutely dominating
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 21, 2016, 02:23:04 pm
Eurika Junction

Aye, though I'd probably spell it with two Es  :smartass: Good job it's not in a proper crossword!

Over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 02:30:03 pm
Its my last one of the day I really need to get some work done, a nice easy one...


A tan emphasizes the site of an old wound, I’m on my way to see the homes of troglodytes.  (5 4 5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 21, 2016, 02:33:36 pm
White Scar Caves?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 21, 2016, 02:53:34 pm
That it well done, computer is going off now before I get sacked :clap2: :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 21, 2016, 05:02:37 pm
A human clan goin' in here?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 22, 2016, 08:33:15 am
How many letters ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 22, 2016, 09:20:46 am
Sorry about that!

4 3 9,

or maybe 4 3 5 4

which should really give it away...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2016, 09:40:06 am
Allt Nan Uamh?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 22, 2016, 09:57:01 am
Uamh Nan Claig-Ionn?     
 :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 22, 2016, 10:48:15 am
Alex has it.  Too easy?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 22, 2016, 10:54:33 am
It was not easy at all, It gave me a headache until Graham's answer suggested Scotland. It is Scotland's deepest cave.  Graham you did most of the work will you set the next challenge?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Alex on January 22, 2016, 11:41:09 am
Would not have gotten that in a million years!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 22, 2016, 12:01:22 pm
I'd twigged it weren't English, discounted Wales (not enough L's or W's!) - but sailed to the land of guinness and leprechauns. And got nowhere!  :-[
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 22, 2016, 12:31:08 pm
Just to keep things moving have a go at this.

 In an open valley, with Nick and Bad Seeds a cleric used this to bring a meeting to order.
(10 5 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2016, 12:57:09 pm
Well done ALEXW - my answer was only partly there.

To answer your clue: Bishopdale Gavel Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 22, 2016, 01:01:15 pm
Well done, now it really is your turn to set one. :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2016, 01:39:48 pm
Cheers ALEXW.

Here's another:

"Sounds as if it should be small but is very deep (5)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 22, 2016, 01:43:55 pm
Titan (tight 'un)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2016, 01:59:27 pm
Titan (tight 'un)?

That was quick. Over to you Roger.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 22, 2016, 03:20:18 pm
Oh 'eck, it's hard work thinking them up...

Did the Kangxi emperor take his beer mug with him to his last resting place?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 22, 2016, 03:24:28 pm
4 3 ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 22, 2016, 03:57:48 pm
Sorry, no.  Keep forgetting those numbers!

8 3
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2016, 05:05:10 pm
Google he say Jingling Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 22, 2016, 05:32:53 pm
Google he your friend!

Jingling is the tomb where ol' Kangxi is buried, in the Eastern Qing Tombs east of Beijing.

Your go, grahams!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2016, 07:34:40 pm
Ah so Roger, thanks. Try this:

"An witch with gravity and a quarter pint cup (4, 4, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 22, 2016, 08:02:35 pm
Hagg Gill Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2016, 08:06:18 pm
Nice one Alexw. Your go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 22, 2016, 08:12:43 pm
It was a guess, how did gravity fit? I almost put Foss Gill Pot on account of a foss being a waterfall..gravity.

let me think of one   Back soon.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 22, 2016, 08:21:33 pm
It is bad that I spend time at work doing this, it is very bad that I now do it at home, anyway have a go at this...

A fishy sounding source of an antiseptic astringent itch inhibitor, measureless to man   7  8  7
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on January 22, 2016, 09:37:42 pm
pikedaw calamine caverns
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on January 22, 2016, 09:40:08 pm
Correct  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on January 22, 2016, 11:32:19 pm
Start of a town full of old books coupled with an aromatic mountain herb is complete. (7,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Emsy on January 22, 2016, 11:48:44 pm
Haytime Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on January 23, 2016, 12:02:12 am
Good stuff Emsy.

Your go
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on January 23, 2016, 08:54:40 am
Alex, gravity (g) giving the second g
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 23, 2016, 10:20:11 am
Alex, gravity (g) giving the second g

That's right Ian. Araucaria (the Guardian's crossword setter) used common abbreviations and SI/Imperial units to add or remove letters from words. He also used many other techniques such as hidden words, homophones and well-known literary references.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Emsy on January 23, 2016, 08:01:45 pm
pig heads into hillside with deceased relative (7,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on January 23, 2016, 08:41:57 pm
boreham cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Emsy on January 23, 2016, 08:48:18 pm
too easy...........................
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on January 23, 2016, 09:58:11 pm
Where this magpie might keep property   (7,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 24, 2016, 10:04:41 am
Robber's Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on January 24, 2016, 07:39:21 pm
No,  not a human
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 25, 2016, 12:08:41 pm
There used to be a coal mine at Chorley...?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 25, 2016, 12:26:49 pm
where this magpie might keep his property: geordie hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 25, 2016, 12:46:06 pm
Following JoshW's suggestion - a quick Google turned up Jingling Geordie's Hole, a sea cave near Tynemouth.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on January 25, 2016, 01:59:49 pm
oh there is actually a cave called geordie hole? I just went off the football team connection..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 25, 2016, 03:39:18 pm
where this magpie might keep his property: geordie hole?
No,  not a human

Ah the secret is out! Nether foyyballer's nor Geordies are human!  :ang: :spank:

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 25, 2016, 07:14:48 pm
Cuckoo's Nest?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on January 25, 2016, 08:43:39 pm
So where did these apostrophes and extra letters come from?

What sort of bird is a Magpie?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 25, 2016, 10:48:52 pm
Cuckoo's Nest – 7, 4 – and you didn't say anything about apostrophes – they don't count. And I guess a magpie is a thieving bastard, but that's 8 letters (The Thieving Magpie, huh?).


'appen I was tho king of Cuckoo Cleves  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on January 25, 2016, 11:08:27 pm

What sort of bird is a Magpie?

A corvid. Pica pica.  So ?  Is it the well-known Corvids Safe cave ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on January 25, 2016, 11:22:33 pm
So, where is cuckoo's nest? (apart from 'fallout', which I can't see you being a fan of)

The cave I had in mind is in Northern Caves.

Perhaps I'm being too obscure....what other corvids (which share criminal tendencies) are there?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on January 26, 2016, 12:15:34 am
..what other corvids (which share criminal tendencies) are there?

Jackdaw?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 26, 2016, 07:54:54 am
Quote
'appen I was tho king of Cuckoo Cleves

Blasted spell checker; it should have read ''appen I was thinking of Cuckoo Cleves'
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 26, 2016, 12:21:48 pm
Quote
'appen I was tho king of Cuckoo Cleves

Blasted spell checker; it should have read ''appen I was thinking of Cuckoo Cleves'

Can't get a grip on this one Fulk. Any chance of no. of letters?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 26, 2016, 01:21:50 pm
It's not a clue, it's a complaint; I suspect bograt got it with Jackdaw [Hole]
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 26, 2016, 04:41:41 pm
Ha ha - I know. I was going to suggest 'erron pot but couldn't make it fit.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on January 26, 2016, 08:15:23 pm
Yes,
Bograt has it with Jackdaw (Hole), though he did seem a bit uncertain...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on January 26, 2016, 11:39:43 pm
Uncertain mainly because a Jackdaw ain't a magpie, although I suppose a magpie could stash his loot in a jackdaws hole  :-\ :'(

Try this--

Back Lone Rangers horse with Uranium, has a go on the golf course.  (8,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 27, 2016, 08:31:56 am
Uncertain mainly because a Jackdaw ain't a magpie, although I suppose a magpie could stash his loot in a jackdaws hole  :-\ :'(

Try this--

Back Lone Rangers horse with Uranium, has a go on the golf course.  (8,4)

Gautries Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on January 27, 2016, 10:55:28 am
Over to you Crickleymal  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 27, 2016, 12:55:42 pm
Noddy's boys meet Ms Shields we hear for dodgy dig for lions. 5,5,5,6
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 27, 2016, 02:37:33 pm
Slaid Mhore Flood Risings? (OK, I made that one up! :-) )
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 27, 2016, 03:09:40 pm
Slade Brook ***** Rising, but I can't find another word...

EDIT: Ah-ha, Slade Brook Flood Rising (wherever that may be...)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 27, 2016, 03:41:35 pm
I got the Flood Rising bit, but what on Earth are Noddy's boys and Ms Shields? (I thought it might be River Cover Flood Rising, Cover sounds like shield? But obviously not, and it wouldn't explain Noddy's boys anyway.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 27, 2016, 03:55:39 pm
Blimey that was quick. Slade Brook Flood Rising it is, minor FoD cave near St Briavels.

Noddy's boys = Slade as Noddy Holder was the "singer", Brooke Shields and an anagram (dodgy) of dig for lions. OK Spike it's over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 27, 2016, 04:16:32 pm
Well, I'm none the wiser for that explanation (apart from the anagram)!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 27, 2016, 04:21:31 pm
This is a cave feature in Wales, and you can stick it under the wee ninth hoss by arrangement

(5, 3, 3, 4, 5) and there is an apostrophe...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 27, 2016, 08:20:19 pm
Well, I'm none the wiser for that explanation (apart from the anagram)!

Surely you've heard of the actress Brooke Shields and the pop group Slade (So Here it is Merry Christmas )?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 27, 2016, 10:54:06 pm
No.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 28, 2016, 08:33:40 am
Where have you been, down a hole in the gro....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 28, 2016, 04:21:41 pm
This is a cave feature in Wales, and you can stick it under the wee ninth hoss by arrangement

(5, 3, 3, 4, 5) and there is an apostrophe...

Time for a clue then - it's in a cave on the Llangattock escarpment...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on January 28, 2016, 09:43:37 pm
This is a cave feature in Wales, and you can stick it under the wee ninth hoss by arrangement

(5, 3, 3, 4, 5) and there is an apostrophe...

Time for a clue then - it's in a cave on the Llangattock escarpment...

Well, "Price's Old Dig Ogof Cnwc" almost fits including an apostrophe but Price's has 6 letters...
I can't make it fit the clue though.  :down:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 29, 2016, 06:00:52 am
This is a cave feature in Wales, and you can stick it under the wee ninth hoss by arrangement

(5, 3, 3, 4, 5) and there is an apostrophe...

Time for a clue then - it's in a cave on the Llangattock escarpment...

Well, "Price's Old Dig Ogof Cnwc" almost fits including an apostrophe but Price's has 6 letters...
I can't make it fit the clue though.  :down:
Right system...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 29, 2016, 02:09:45 pm
This is a cave feature in Wales, and you can stick it under the wee ninth hoss by arrangement

(5, 3, 3, 4, 5) and there is an apostrophe...

Time for a clue then - it's in a cave on the Llangattock escarpment...
Clue 2: Could equally describe an arctic winter...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on January 29, 2016, 02:33:36 pm
Where The Sun Don't Shine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on January 29, 2016, 04:37:31 pm
Bingo...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on January 29, 2016, 06:17:15 pm
Near to where the rum captain lives, disturb Mr Williams, the crag saver.

(6, 5, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on January 29, 2016, 10:13:32 pm
Lesser Garth Cave?

Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on January 29, 2016, 10:33:36 pm
Correct Maj. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on January 29, 2016, 10:41:11 pm

Shorten trousers before dealing with the black.

(4,3)


Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 29, 2016, 11:46:22 pm
Pant (Mawr) Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on January 30, 2016, 07:04:48 am

Nope.



Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 30, 2016, 11:03:25 am
Jean Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on January 30, 2016, 05:25:37 pm
That's the one.

Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 30, 2016, 07:52:20 pm
Thanks Maj.

Here's another:

"Poseidon's favourite theme park ride? (3, 10) a feature in (4, 3, 4)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 31, 2016, 07:39:50 pm
The Waterslide, Allt Nan Uamh?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 31, 2016, 07:43:49 pm
Good one Andys - I was wondering whether The Waterslide might be a bit too hard being out of the usual areas although I thought Roger might get it.

Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 31, 2016, 08:14:11 pm
Thankee kindly, Graham.

Have a go at this.....

"Heaven's control room, duplicated for resilience?" (4,6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 02, 2016, 08:28:02 am
No guesses?

Perhaps I've overdone this one then, so a further clue..... this is a whole cave rather than a feature, and the "duplicated" bit refers to the fact that there is more than one cave with this name or something close.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 02, 2016, 10:05:33 am
All I could  think of for 'Heaven's control room' was 'Pearly Gates' . . . but it didn't fit.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 02, 2016, 10:14:16 am
I thought Gods Bridge but that didn't fit either.  :furious:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on February 02, 2016, 10:26:36 am
I thought Gods Bridge but that didn't fit either.  :furious:

Err--(4,6) --??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 02, 2016, 10:50:51 am
God's Bridge Cave.??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 02, 2016, 11:22:24 am
It is indeed God's Bridge, so over to you ALEXW!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 02, 2016, 11:31:25 am
Good clue Andys. What's the problem for those that didn't like the answer?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 02, 2016, 12:05:19 pm
A run without ball touching bat, well done Mr O Dowd, were you helped by that “herbal tobacco”?

3 6 3
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 02, 2016, 12:06:59 pm
Bye George Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 02, 2016, 12:10:35 pm
Blinkin' eck that was quick.

Well done :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 02, 2016, 01:24:20 pm
Yearn for family's player's vessel (4,3,4,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 02, 2016, 01:35:10 pm
Long Kin West Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 02, 2016, 02:42:49 pm
Not quite
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 02, 2016, 02:45:20 pm
Long Kin East Pot then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 02, 2016, 02:46:20 pm
Yes, I was wearing my pedants hat there for a minute. Either fitted the clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 02, 2016, 03:19:40 pm
Nothing wrong with a pedant's hat - I've got two! But here we go...

"Eccentric old bloke encapsulates anti-pr0no movement in the Dales." (10,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 03, 2016, 08:13:08 pm
Have I fallen foul of an automated "posting tweaker"? 'Cos I'm sure that what I wrote - and what the clue needs - should read " p o r n o " !
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 04, 2016, 08:50:54 am
Have I fallen foul of an automated "posting tweaker"? 'Cos I'm sure that what I wrote - and what the clue needs - should read " p o r n o " !

Googling 'pr0no' could take you to some divorce inducing links too, should you click on them. Anyway, I can't get a handle on this one. Might need a bit of help.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 04, 2016, 09:43:14 am
I was going with Longford Pot but then realised I cannot count and it doesn't exist on Google, so I will go with Langcliffe Pot for no particular reason then the numbers fit.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on February 04, 2016, 10:18:57 am
Coronation Pot

Eccentric old bloke - coot
movement = anagram of antipo rno

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 04, 2016, 01:17:52 pm
Spike has it! Over to you......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on February 04, 2016, 02:15:49 pm
Norma leads to dissapointment (5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on February 05, 2016, 12:16:45 pm
Mr Cooder is lost in Italy's second city...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 05, 2016, 12:25:20 pm
It all points to Marilyn, except for the fact that the number of letters do not fit.  :shrug: :shrug:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 05, 2016, 12:31:58 pm
I'm confused, do both of Spike's clues refer to the same cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on February 05, 2016, 12:32:12 pm
(http://i.giphy.com/3xz2BLBOt13X9AgjEA.gif)

Over to you Alex...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 05, 2016, 12:35:59 pm
I had a headache trying to sort it yesterday,  :wall: today's clues reinforced my original idea.

Give me  a few minutes to think of one
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on February 05, 2016, 12:40:59 pm
I'm confused, do both of Spike's clues refer to the same cave?
So, aside from the fact that Marilyn has 7 letters...
The first clue is simply that Norma is Marilyn Monroe's real name, and the Marilyn entrance leads into the Disappointment Pot route to GG
The second is n anagram of Ry (Mr Cooder) and Milan (Italy's second city)

I'm going to go and crawl into a hole now... (I wish)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 05, 2016, 12:47:03 pm
A nice easy one, its lunch time soon and I only think of clues in works time...

The look of an immature, lascivious quadrupedal ruminant.

4  4

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 05, 2016, 01:32:40 pm
A nice easy one, its lunch time soon and I only think of clues in works time...

The look of an immature, lascivious quadrupedal ruminant.

4  4

I've had a quick google and I should add "Measureless to man". making the answer

4 4 6
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 05, 2016, 02:00:58 pm
Lamb Leer (Caverns)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ALEXW on February 05, 2016, 02:02:45 pm
That is correct, Lamb Leer Cavern  :clap2: :clap2:

now it is your turn :o :o
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 05, 2016, 02:09:03 pm
Try this 'un then:

Jack accommodates lead characters in A Tale Of Two Cities.   (6,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 06, 2016, 10:34:08 am
Katnot Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 06, 2016, 11:59:49 am
Spot on GrahamS - so over to you.

For those wondering how come.....

"Jack" in this case is a "KNAVE"
"accommodates" means the above letters include the following ones
and the "lead characters in" A Tale Of Two Cities are the initials thereof, so "A T O T and C"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 06, 2016, 04:12:18 pm
Another good clue!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 06, 2016, 08:20:32 pm
Thanks andys.

"Behind Her Majesty with containers" (10).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 06, 2016, 11:43:10 pm
Erbuckets  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 07, 2016, 12:13:36 am
Got to be Dollytubs" - apart from the fact that the letter count is wrong and that no-one would call Mrs Windsor "Dolly"!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 07, 2016, 09:09:58 am
Not quite but you have the right idea Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 07, 2016, 11:38:38 am
Ahah! -  Buttertubs!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 07, 2016, 06:25:23 pm
Correct Andys. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 07, 2016, 06:51:43 pm
Excellent - so have a go at this one:

"Bet birdwatcher re-modeled the way in." (8,6,6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 08, 2016, 04:20:53 pm
It looks like :

Wretched Rabbit Entrance,

Except, of course, that there are 8 letters in Entrance  :doubt:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 08, 2016, 04:55:28 pm
Whoops! Sorry about that chaps - it can't have helped. But yes, Fulk, you're right so its your go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 08, 2016, 05:09:09 pm
So:

Sing note about left French article with exercises incorporating love (11, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 09, 2016, 09:58:22 am
Chanterelle Pot perchance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 09, 2016, 10:01:33 am
It is indeed, Trogger, Chanterelle Pot.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 13, 2016, 10:45:18 am
Wake up Trogger - your go!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 13, 2016, 03:12:59 pm
If you insist; this one should be easy:
"A Mammoth one in the States is just this."
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 13, 2016, 04:31:30 pm
Large Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 13, 2016, 06:32:13 pm
Sounds plausible - but wrong I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: cavemanmike on February 13, 2016, 07:05:58 pm
If you insist; this one should be easy:
"A Mammoth one in the States is just this."

numbers please trogger  :spank:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on February 13, 2016, 07:25:58 pm
Possibly (7 5) if it's not too obvious...?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 14, 2016, 10:51:19 am
Sorry, thought it was so easy you wouldn't need more clues! Anyway it's (8,4).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 14, 2016, 04:50:20 pm
Elephant Hole ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 14, 2016, 07:40:19 pm
No, not Elephant Hole.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on February 14, 2016, 08:34:26 pm
Phreatic Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 14, 2016, 08:59:49 pm
No, not Phreatic Cave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 15, 2016, 08:38:08 pm
Election Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: alastairgott on February 15, 2016, 08:41:13 pm
Roaring Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 15, 2016, 08:50:31 pm
Sorry chaps, neither Election Hole nor Roaring Hole.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 15, 2016, 08:51:58 pm
... and Roaring has only 7 letters...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: alastairgott on February 15, 2016, 11:12:18 pm
Rumbling Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 15, 2016, 11:45:24 pm
Not Rumbling Hole either.
Think you all need to refer back to the original clue
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 16, 2016, 08:21:52 am
Mastodon Cave/Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 16, 2016, 08:24:35 am
Colossal Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 16, 2016, 08:37:51 am
It should be Frozen Deep given that much of the US is currently deep frozen and the Frozen Deep is Big - but not enough letters. Cannae get a handle on this clue. Pass the aspirins.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 16, 2016, 08:50:26 am
Sorry folks - not even a Colossal Frozen Mastodon!  You need to 'think outside the box' (of aspirins if necessary).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: alastairgott on February 16, 2016, 05:18:51 pm
I know it's (9,4) but I can't resist a go on Paracetam 'ole.

seriously now, Hangover Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 16, 2016, 07:43:37 pm
Not Hangover Hole. Nor anything to do with aspirins or Paracetamol! It's all in the original clue, but you're not homing in on the correct part of the clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on February 16, 2016, 08:56:37 pm
National Park.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 16, 2016, 09:53:22 pm
No, not National Park...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 17, 2016, 01:28:39 pm
Well, you've got the best brains on here (well, this thread at least  :) and not my own clearly!) thoroughly stumped, so another clue perhaps? eg any of : cave or feature, which bit of the country, which guide book etc etc
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 17, 2016, 03:50:08 pm
OK a few extra clues - geographical, historical, mathematical:

In the Dales but has an American name.
Was extended by a Derbyshire club - the cheek of it!
Is approx. 0.0069039% as long as its big brother in the States (given as 651.8 km Jan 2016 figure in Wikipaedia).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 17, 2016, 04:48:32 pm
Congress Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 17, 2016, 06:59:47 pm
Not Congress Cave! - at 280m long it doesn't satisfy the mathematical clue anyway.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Elaine on February 17, 2016, 08:22:14 pm
Meregill Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on February 17, 2016, 08:28:18 pm
Kentucky Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 17, 2016, 08:31:22 pm
Kentucky Cave?

Beat me by one minute!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on February 17, 2016, 08:36:15 pm
Kentucky Cave?
Beat me by one minute!  :)
;) if it is the right answer then I'll hand it to you, I've not got time to think of a decent clue and then keep checking answers.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 17, 2016, 08:50:46 pm
Spot on Inferus !!  Kentucky Cave - which ties in with the original clue "A Mammoth one in the States is just this."  Everyone was concentrating on 'Mammoth' when it was 'States' that was the key.  So if Inferus is too busy I'll pass this over to andys because I'm sure he's just itching to have a go!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 17, 2016, 09:06:02 pm
Thankee kindly Inferus and Trogger (good clue by the way!) so have a go at this:

"T-spoon arrangement takes on new-fangled beer style"   (8,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 17, 2016, 09:14:15 pm
Pontoons Pot?  (If it is I've never heard of it).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 17, 2016, 11:38:24 pm
Not Pontoons - or anything else made up!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 18, 2016, 04:38:15 pm
Peterson Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 18, 2016, 05:22:05 pm
Nope. not Peterson.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 19, 2016, 02:35:11 pm
If I can't have Pontoons Pot can I have Spontoon Pot?!  (there IS such a word as spontoon!). Otherwise no other anagrams have emerged - if indeed there is an anagram?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on February 19, 2016, 02:46:27 pm
Craftman's Pot ?  From the "beer style", though I can't see the T-Spoon connection...  and it's really Craftsman's Pot so the letter count is wrong.  Apart from that, how can it be anything else  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 19, 2016, 02:54:16 pm
If I can't have Pontoons Pot can I have Spontoon Pot?!  (there IS such a word as spontoon!). Otherwise no other anagrams have emerged - if indeed there is an anagram?

Not Spontoon Pot - probably because I suspect it doesn't exist! Though there is such a thing as a spontoon: it a medieval pole weapon.  :smartass:

Craftman's Pot ?  From the "beer style", though I can't see the T-Spoon connection...  and it's really Craftsman's Pot so the letter count is wrong.  Apart from that, how can it be anything else  ;D

And not Craftsmans either - and despite previous c*ck ups, I did check the letter counts this time!  :ang:

But between you, you are getting quite warm!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 19, 2016, 03:02:04 pm
Robinson Pot? - I know it should have 's on the end but the name is sometimes misquoted.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on February 19, 2016, 03:33:02 pm
Scrafton Pot.

Anagram of craft (beer) and T-spoon (arranged).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 19, 2016, 03:47:41 pm
Scrafton Pot.

Anagram of craft (beer) and T-spoon (arranged).

That's the one, back over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 19, 2016, 04:18:19 pm
I was under the impression that the letters of anagrams in cryptic crossword clues were supposed to be there in the actual clue, not in the answer to a 'mini-clue', as it were, contained in the overall clue – as is the case here.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 19, 2016, 04:46:52 pm
I was under the impression that the letters of anagrams in cryptic crossword clues were supposed to be there in the actual clue, not in the answer to a 'mini-clue', as it were, contained in the overall clue – as is the case here.

That's my understanding too although I've never seen the rules of crossword composition written down.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 19, 2016, 05:22:26 pm
I was under the impression that the letters of anagrams in cryptic crossword clues were supposed to be there in the actual clue, not in the answer to a 'mini-clue', as it were, contained in the overall clue – as is the case here.

Fully concur with that - but the letters of "CRAFT" weren't part of the anagram at all, they were included "en-bloc" within (indicator phrase : "takes on") the anagram of "TSPOON" (indicator word: "arrangement"). So I think that fits the bill of a properly formed clue!  ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on February 19, 2016, 07:54:56 pm
I agree with Andys, the 'craft' is a complete word set within an anagram, there is no indicator to suggest it is part of the whole anagram.( Although 'new fangled' could be interpreted so)

Your go Inferus ----
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on February 25, 2016, 06:08:03 am
Apologies for the delay, tried to think of a decent clue, failed, wandered off and forgot about it!
I'll admit I'm not good at concocting clues so this may be wrongly worded, naff or really easy...

Short argument gains something potent, confusingly. (6,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 25, 2016, 07:07:59 am
Can only be Rowten Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 25, 2016, 08:08:26 am
Apologies for the delay, tried to think of a decent clue, failed, wandered off and forgot about it!
I'll admit I'm not good at concocting clues so this may be wrongly worded, naff or really easy...

Short argument gains something potent, confusingly. (6,3)

No problem. I guess most of us are in the same boat.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 25, 2016, 10:15:30 am
I can see why that is Rowten! nice clue  :clap2:

Usually I haven't a clue!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on February 25, 2016, 11:57:52 am
It is Rowten Pot.  Over to Trogger. ..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 29, 2016, 07:22:22 pm
Classy stone kitchen item? It's a tough proposition!  (6,4).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pegasus on February 29, 2016, 08:07:43 pm
Marble Sink?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 29, 2016, 09:52:56 pm
Spot on Pegasus!  Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pegasus on February 29, 2016, 11:23:44 pm
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Flo and Basil were on it

3, 5, 10
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on February 29, 2016, 11:30:05 pm
er.... the magic roundabout

Surely?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pegasus on March 01, 2016, 07:46:19 am
Yup!  Over to you, Chris..... :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on March 01, 2016, 09:31:23 am
Bronte's SRT route
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on March 01, 2016, 10:02:22 am
Wuthering Heights?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on March 01, 2016, 10:26:06 am
Fart oo ee Z.

Yep. Your go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on March 01, 2016, 11:20:48 am
Wild swan in climbing aid (8,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 01, 2016, 01:08:42 pm
Footnaws Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on March 01, 2016, 02:12:29 pm
Yep, 'tis Footnaws Hole, andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 01, 2016, 02:59:06 pm
Ha! Here's an easy one - if you're a chemist!

KAl(SO4)2.12H2O.C21H30O2    (4,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on March 01, 2016, 03:08:09 pm
alum pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 01, 2016, 03:58:29 pm
Footnaws Hole??  Owd on a minute - I thought the climbing aid was a footholD - which would give Footnaws Hold...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on March 01, 2016, 04:40:00 pm
No, it's a hole into which you put your foot, as in the entrance to Illusion Pot.  :tease:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 01, 2016, 05:37:12 pm
alum pot?

That's the one Josh - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 01, 2016, 07:38:43 pm
Mm, never heard them called 'foot holes' but I'll bow to your greater wisdom Fulk !
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on March 02, 2016, 10:00:37 am
the man who went to mow's dog outside the kitchen floor (5,3)

(I'm shite at these so let me know if the clue doesn't technically work)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pie Muncher on March 02, 2016, 10:21:41 am
Stile Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on March 02, 2016, 10:33:01 am
A good un there, Josh!

I'd have been able to get that if P.M. hadn't beaten me to it!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JoshW on March 02, 2016, 10:51:47 am
yay!  :beer2: well done Pie Muncher, over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 02, 2016, 11:26:42 am
Stile Pot

I was just about to google Slino Pot ....   
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pie Muncher on March 02, 2016, 11:33:30 am
A quick one to keep it moving.

Demins lost Jar (4,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on March 02, 2016, 12:34:01 pm
Jean Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pie Muncher on March 02, 2016, 12:55:36 pm
Said it was easy, well done Jean Pot is was.
Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on March 02, 2016, 01:14:28 pm
The end of hard american grey food in a blender.  (4, 2, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 02, 2016, 02:10:11 pm
Ogof yr Ardd? - though not completely certain why!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on March 02, 2016, 03:49:23 pm
Ogof yr Ardd? - though not completely certain why!

Correct. The end of hard is RD and American grey is GRAY. Add FOOD and put it in a blender so it's an anagram.

Over to andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 02, 2016, 04:08:24 pm
Cheers then, so have a try at this one....

"Dales site charts ice movement in surge." (5,4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 03, 2016, 12:53:10 pm
More to keep this thread going than in hope it being correct - Churn Milk Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 03, 2016, 01:10:32 pm
Not Churn Milk Hole!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Dropper on March 03, 2016, 07:35:56 pm
White scar cave??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 04, 2016, 02:10:36 pm
White Scar it is - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Dropper on March 05, 2016, 09:19:58 pm
Lutrinae perforation (5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Cap'n Chris on March 05, 2016, 09:22:14 pm
Beaver Abyss?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Dropper on March 05, 2016, 10:11:52 pm
Nope!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 06, 2016, 07:12:56 am
Otter Hole, no doubt.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Dropper on March 06, 2016, 06:55:34 pm
Quite correct Sir. Carry on
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 09, 2016, 09:07:10 am
Ping! Wake up Trogger!!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 09, 2016, 12:46:32 pm
To maintain momentum, how about a three day rule - a free go if a new clue is not posted?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 09, 2016, 01:06:18 pm
Gets my vote - off you go then Grahams!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 09, 2016, 01:18:05 pm
If you have anything andys go for it, otherwise I'll try to get something together later today.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 09, 2016, 01:29:14 pm
Okey-dokey, let's keep things going with this one then:

Attempt Mere and go on excitedly! (12,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 09, 2016, 01:39:35 pm
Magnetometer Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on March 09, 2016, 01:39:56 pm
Magnetometer Pot?

I'm too slow!  ha
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 09, 2016, 01:47:59 pm
Over to you then Jason!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 09, 2016, 07:44:57 pm
Yay!  Got one at last....  Good clue btw, Andy (and I like your 'sig', reminds of the saying about the pointlessness of stamp collecting).

But anyway, try this:

Was back at start of summer, smiling when German replaced Norwegian factory  (6, 8, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 10, 2016, 08:54:31 am
Devil's Grinding Mill has the correct sized words if you ignore the apostrophe..?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 10, 2016, 09:12:26 am
PS - Can see the 'was' = lived backwards, 's' as start of summer, smiling as 'grin', and the factory is mill. It's the 'ding' bit I can't work out.  N(orse) in 'dig' ??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 10, 2016, 07:29:26 pm
Well done Trogger, that's it  :thumbsup:
If there were no offers, I was going to give out the word count as 5'1,8,4 by way of a clue.

The idea was 'smiling' = GRINNING, with D (German) replacing one of the Ns (Norwegian) - you've got the rest of it  :clap2:

Over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 10, 2016, 09:41:59 pm
Watching the clock? This feature is to be found in a pot, so it should be easy (but not the pot).
(3,7,2,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 11, 2016, 08:03:11 am
The Passage of Time?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 11, 2016, 09:35:26 am
Correct sir! - The Passage of Time in Strans Gill Pot.  Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 11, 2016, 03:45:18 pm
Cheers Trogger.

Have a go at this - a well known feature of a Dales pot :

"Jumble of sea gaps" (7, 7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 13, 2016, 05:56:44 pm
Time for a clue - the feature is in GG.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 13, 2016, 07:50:10 pm
Must be Anagram Passage !
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 14, 2016, 08:41:44 am
That's the one Trogger - was beginning to think that the clue might be too obscure.

Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 14, 2016, 11:02:54 pm
This may be too easy:  Tap, tumbled and measureless to man. (5,4,7).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on March 14, 2016, 11:29:34 pm
Knock Fell Caverns ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on March 15, 2016, 07:44:49 am
Quite correct - and took less than 27 minutes!  All yours...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on March 15, 2016, 10:46:07 am
One I could get!

OK - another easy-peasy one.

Hollow insides?  Not I!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on March 15, 2016, 01:32:46 pm
Nes?

How many letters did you say it was?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on March 15, 2016, 01:45:11 pm
Sorry!  Keep forgetting...   :-[ 

     8, 4.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 15, 2016, 05:11:04 pm
Swildons Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on March 15, 2016, 05:19:57 pm
Swildons Hole?

That's the one!  :beer2:

Wundows 8 seems to have inserted a beer icon all by itself!  Not inappropriate, I suppose!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 21, 2016, 07:40:36 pm
Your go Grahams!  :bounce:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 21, 2016, 07:59:41 pm
Sorry for the delay Andys. Will dream summat up by tomorrow am.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 22, 2016, 08:54:03 am
This should be easy - location in a major Dales cave:

"A rock and a hard place on the high road" (6, 3, 9)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 22, 2016, 11:58:25 am
Scylla and Charybdis?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 22, 2016, 03:42:16 pm
That didn't last long. Over to you Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 22, 2016, 05:01:09 pm
It was over two hours! Anyway, have a go at this one:

Banish every other blown-up bolt in Cumbrian cave.  (6,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on March 23, 2016, 05:48:49 pm
Barbon Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 24, 2016, 09:16:07 am
Spot on - Barbon Pot it it, so over to you Droid!  :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on March 24, 2016, 03:36:00 pm
Text 'pate' and it sounds like you've got it!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on March 24, 2016, 04:43:08 pm
P8

Maj
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on March 24, 2016, 04:44:03 pm
Got it, Dave.....lol
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 24, 2016, 06:30:19 pm
Is it OK if I groan?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on March 24, 2016, 06:58:11 pm
Feel free......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on March 24, 2016, 07:19:38 pm
Cheers Droid, and I'm not even a young-un.

Okay, try this one.

When in a muddle, he felt sore.

Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on March 24, 2016, 09:06:37 pm
Fester Hole.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on March 24, 2016, 09:09:12 pm
Otherwise known as Tween Twins?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Maj on March 24, 2016, 09:42:26 pm
Yep that's the one.
Didn't think it would last long, since it's been in the caving news.

Maj.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on March 25, 2016, 11:13:51 am
Yes - that did somewhat give it away.

It's a hell of a place for Andrex, though.

(4, 6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 25, 2016, 12:01:04 pm
That's just got to be "Devils Arse", except for the letter counts being reversed"!  :tease:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on March 25, 2016, 12:17:37 pm
Use the more polite name and the numbers come right...

Over to you, I suppose.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 25, 2016, 03:03:32 pm
I never was one for the polite reply! But here you go....

Comedy channel hosts small chili recipe. (6,4,4)

But I'm off for the weekend and whoever gets it correct can just carry right on!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 25, 2016, 05:24:40 pm
That would be Dismal Hill Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on March 25, 2016, 07:39:22 pm
Seems to fit.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 25, 2016, 07:41:08 pm
Yes, DAVE around (SMALL CHILI)*  One of my favourite trips, too.

ok, I'd better set a new one:

"Laurel surrounds rustic losing his head over drugs cabinet"

3 words.  No word-count to make it more interesting, but if no-one gets it I'll put it up later
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 27, 2016, 08:16:09 am
It's 5,4,7
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 28, 2016, 12:44:34 pm
So I guess that's Stoke Lane Slocker?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 28, 2016, 10:09:49 pm
You guess right  :clap2:

Back to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 29, 2016, 09:16:49 am
Wrap a drink cocktail in the warmth? (10,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 29, 2016, 07:56:27 pm
(back over the net....)

Hardrawkin Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 29, 2016, 08:02:51 pm
Excellent return shot sir! Your go!  :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 30, 2016, 09:01:06 am
Thankyou...

"Only BA gear"   (8,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on March 30, 2016, 11:37:37 am
Meregill Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on March 30, 2016, 01:11:19 pm
(back over the net....)

Hardrawkin Pot

Can't see that one  :-[
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on March 30, 2016, 01:50:45 pm
(back over the net....)

Hardrawkin Pot

Can't see that one  :-[

Anagram (indicated by "cocktail") of "WRAP A DRINK" in "H....OT" (ie warmth).

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 30, 2016, 02:05:56 pm
Meregill Hole?

Close....  but no cigar ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on March 30, 2016, 02:09:49 pm
Meregill Skit?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on March 30, 2016, 03:58:47 pm
Bingo !  :clap2:

Only = MERE
BA = Breathing Apparatus = GILLS
gear = KIT

ok, I don't suppose anyone ever goes down it, but it is in Northern Caves...

Your turn, Fulk
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on March 30, 2016, 04:17:55 pm
 :lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: , The BA=Gills had me baffled!!  :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on March 30, 2016, 04:53:02 pm
Board's drinking vessel? (9, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 30, 2016, 06:37:06 pm
Committee Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on March 30, 2016, 09:18:51 pm
Yep, Committee Pot – just got back from there.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on March 30, 2016, 09:56:41 pm
(back over the net....)
Hardrawkin Pot
Can't see that one  :-[

Anagram (indicated by "cocktail") of "WRAP A DRINK" in "H....OT" (ie warmth).

Skills
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on March 31, 2016, 07:33:40 pm
Yep, Committee Pot – just got back from there.

Cheers Fulk.

A famous Dales limestone feature:

"Out then in in good health" (6, 3, 7, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on April 02, 2016, 05:40:28 pm
This won't be right, but I've no better ideas, and at least it fits the letter count...

"Malham and Gordale Scar"

- no doubt someone can do better....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on April 02, 2016, 06:09:39 pm
Sorry Jasonc, that's not the one. Here's a couple of pointers:

It could be a generation thing. The location was well known when I was a lad and used to get a lot of mentions in Dales travel literature as a curiosity. Today, it doesn't get anything like the same amount of attention. It is on a main route through the Dales, now bypassed.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on April 02, 2016, 06:23:57 pm
(the) Ebbing and Flowing Well?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on April 02, 2016, 06:27:10 pm
That's it Fulk. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on April 02, 2016, 06:54:38 pm
Pub game's writing material (4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 02, 2016, 09:22:51 pm
Pool Sink perchance? He says from sunny(ish) Gran Canaria!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on April 02, 2016, 10:49:19 pm
Got it in one, andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 03, 2016, 08:59:01 am
Bit short of inspiration (a.k.a. guidebooks!) here, but have a go at this one which I hope is the correct name & spelling!

"Got that, Captain! Apparently, Wes knits!"  (5,4,4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on April 03, 2016, 12:38:24 pm
Would that be Roger Kirk West Sink, by any chance ?  :)

(there is only one Captain, obviously....)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 03, 2016, 06:24:16 pm
Indeed it is - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on April 03, 2016, 11:08:54 pm
"Leap year - no point demolishing Post Office Tower to start with"  (8,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on April 06, 2016, 09:40:11 am
Really?  You need a clue?   It's in NC3....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on April 06, 2016, 10:34:47 am
Could it be Boundary Pot by any chance. Bound = leap, ary = no point (i.e. E) in year and no point (i.e. S) = Post.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on April 06, 2016, 01:06:12 pm
 :clap2:
Indeed it is.  Boundary was just as you said, Pot was just the first letters of Post Office Tower, but anyway - take it away dcrtuk ! :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on April 06, 2016, 01:27:46 pm
How about this?

All mixed up North Eleanor hunted animals within typo too. (8, 6, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 06, 2016, 08:53:53 pm
Could that be Llanelly Quarry Pot perchance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on April 06, 2016, 10:08:55 pm
Could that be Llanelly Quarry Pot perchance?
That it is. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 07, 2016, 10:10:27 pm
Way hay!

Have a go at this one then...

"Morse and Lewis arrange meeting with Professor of Theology to begin with."  (14,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: aricooperdavis on April 07, 2016, 10:35:17 pm
Disappointment pot?  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 07, 2016, 10:47:46 pm
Well that lasted all of 25 mins! And correct so over to you!

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on April 07, 2016, 11:22:21 pm
Still – nice clue, andys!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: aricooperdavis on April 07, 2016, 11:34:06 pm
Yeah, a very satisfying one! It's surprisingly hard to think of good clues isn't it...  :-\ how about:

"Irrational born before perennial plant" (8,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: aricooperdavis on April 10, 2016, 12:42:37 pm
I hope I've not stagnated it with too difficult a clue?!

To give you a hint a slight play on the clue would be: Greek irrational was born "perennial plant" (8,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on April 10, 2016, 01:50:54 pm
Washfold Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: aricooperdavis on April 10, 2016, 02:02:34 pm
Washfold Pot

Not washfold; that's about 200 miles too far North...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 10, 2016, 02:51:45 pm
Well I'm stuck! I'm sort of supposing that the "Greek irrational" is PI and "born" is B - but can't think of any cave name starting thus - though Mendip (for I am assuming that's the area) ain't that familiar!  :doubt:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on April 10, 2016, 02:53:33 pm
Pinetree pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: aricooperdavis on April 10, 2016, 04:49:16 pm
Pinetree pot

That's the one - it's all yours! ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: aricooperdavis on April 10, 2016, 04:51:04 pm
Well I'm stuck! I'm sort of supposing that the "Greek irrational" is PI and "born" is B - but can't think of any cave name starting thus - though Mendip (for I am assuming that's the area) ain't that familiar!  :doubt:

Ah sorry, I managed to miss this post. You were very much on the right tracks; greek irrational was pi, born was "ne" (sorry, that's a bit of a tough one), and tree was the perennial plant :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 15, 2016, 07:48:58 am
Pinetree pot

That's the one - it's all yours! ;D

Wakey wakey Droid!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on April 19, 2016, 07:43:14 pm
Sorry Andy. I'm crap at clues. You or ari have a go....you are pretty good at them....lol
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on April 20, 2016, 12:31:31 am
Rock drop (6, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on April 20, 2016, 08:23:45 am
Cradle Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on April 20, 2016, 08:52:37 am
Nope, though it's actually a better clue if it was Cradle hole  :(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on April 21, 2016, 12:02:09 am
Clue improvement needed I fear.

Rock drop on posh kitchen  (6,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on April 21, 2016, 06:30:28 am
If this is Marble Sink we had it a few weeks ago!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on April 21, 2016, 08:44:12 am
 :clap2:

go for it Trogger
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on April 22, 2016, 09:07:58 am
Busy at moment ianball11 - so why don't you have another go?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on April 22, 2016, 10:24:11 am
Because the last go was really worth it haha!  Love to though, I can never guess them so it's only chances like these that I can sneak in!

Ok


Drab spouse portal (4 4 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on April 22, 2016, 10:27:10 am
Grey Wife Hole?

Never got one before!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pegasus on April 22, 2016, 10:27:34 am
Grey Wife Hole!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Pegasus on April 22, 2016, 10:28:53 am
Noooooo - I get one and am beaten to it.  Having evil thoughts of using Admin powers to cheat  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on April 22, 2016, 11:45:48 am
haha, bad luck Pegasus :-) and well done Kevlar!

ib


Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on April 22, 2016, 04:08:29 pm
Sorry Pegasus!! Seconds in it too!

Try this:

Add the French to the man in black's rock cover, top in a roundabout way.

6,3
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on April 22, 2016, 04:25:10 pm
Hurtle Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on April 23, 2016, 12:30:55 pm
That'll be it.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on April 23, 2016, 06:43:38 pm
Cheers Kevlar. Try this -

"home for a useless mouse (3, 6)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 23, 2016, 06:50:49 pm
The Mohole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on April 24, 2016, 08:13:13 am
That's it Andys in all of 7 minutes.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 24, 2016, 11:01:55 am
"BOOM! Attacked! Vow they will be put to flight!"    (11,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on April 24, 2016, 11:08:03 am
Dowkerbottom Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 25, 2016, 07:46:14 am
That's the one Bograt - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on April 25, 2016, 09:55:27 am
Cheers  :beer2:


A barman may fill one from the other.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on April 25, 2016, 03:05:42 pm
Pippikin Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on April 25, 2016, 04:01:13 pm
Nice answer Roger but unfortunately incorrect, I'll leave it a few more goes before I make it too easy with the letter count.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on April 25, 2016, 04:20:25 pm
Tankard pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on April 25, 2016, 04:57:31 pm
Not Tankard.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 25, 2016, 06:59:10 pm
Could this be Littondale's Beer Can Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on April 25, 2016, 07:02:29 pm
Close, but no cigar ---
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on April 25, 2016, 07:45:31 pm
Bar Pot ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on April 25, 2016, 10:41:56 pm
Not Bar.

Letters; 6, 3.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 26, 2016, 10:23:37 am
Bottle Pot perhaps then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on April 26, 2016, 10:26:52 am
Barrel Pot (if there is any such place).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on April 26, 2016, 11:40:57 am
andys has it :thumbsup:  :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 26, 2016, 11:57:50 am
Ta, so have a try at this one...

"Impudent person takes on Chapter members in the Dales."    (8,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on April 27, 2016, 08:51:36 am
Peterson Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 27, 2016, 10:07:37 am
Not Peterson....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on April 27, 2016, 11:16:30 am
It would have been a good clue for Peterson ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 27, 2016, 11:55:26 am
It would have been a good clue for Peterson ;D

.... take it you're not nuts about KP then!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on April 27, 2016, 04:38:51 pm
Well, with a cunning regular expression, I've found 16 Dales caves with a 8,3 wordcount, and I can't see that any of them fit the clue, so either

a) it's not in the Dales
b) it is, but it's really obscure
c) the wordplay is too clever for me 

(it's probably c)
 :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 27, 2016, 06:49:35 pm
Well, with a cunning regular expression, I've found 16 Dales caves with a 8,3 wordcount, and I can't see that any of them fit the clue, so either

a) it's not in the Dales
b) it is, but it's really obscure
c) the wordplay is too clever for me 

(it's probably c)
 :-\

Or... d) its not 8,3!

But it is!
Perhaps you've got gaps in your database? Or your regex is flawed?
'Cos its in NC1 and and is a 3-pitch grade III!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on April 27, 2016, 08:43:16 pm
Could it be Scrafton Pot?
Crafts - masonic chapters. Not sure about the rest.

BTW KP?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on April 27, 2016, 11:24:32 pm
I think that's the only one on my list that's in NC1, so I guess it must be.

We await enlightenment from Andy S .........
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on April 27, 2016, 11:50:07 pm
I was thinking chapter members might be hells angels or possibly monks or ku klux klan. I think we need an explanation.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 28, 2016, 07:03:03 am
Not Scrafton I'm afraid.

And clue time then  - the "members" of "chapter" are its letters c, h, a... etc.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on April 28, 2016, 09:57:44 am
Snatcher Pot?

Snot + Chapter
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on April 28, 2016, 10:35:47 am
Snatcher Pot?

Snot + Chapter

Bingo! Over to you!  :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on April 28, 2016, 10:39:10 am
Phew! That took tenacity to make another one!

(numbers later)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on April 29, 2016, 12:26:38 pm
Yockenthwaite Pot ?

- which I think is an anagram of 'Phew took tenacity'  (nice !), but not sure where the rest of it comes in....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on May 03, 2016, 08:27:48 pm
I'm sure you have it Jason - I should jump in if Kevlar is still asleep!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 04, 2016, 03:15:36 pm
Seconded. Good anag Kevlar.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 04, 2016, 08:42:20 pm
ok - I'd almost forgotten about it.

Try this...

"Graduate's older woman - her weed"

I'll give the word count if no-one gets it, but I don't think it will last that long
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on May 04, 2016, 09:11:29 pm
Robinson's Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 04, 2016, 10:15:42 pm
Yup, that's it  :clap2:

under half an hour, thought it wouldn't take long!

Take it away, Harden...


PS.  In case anyone was wondering, the reference is to Mrs Robinson in "The Graduate" starring Dustin Hoffman
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on May 04, 2016, 11:19:52 pm
Ingredient for Beer Street's counterpart makes a wide gap.      7, 4
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 05, 2016, 08:13:08 am
Juniper Gulf?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on May 05, 2016, 07:10:20 pm
Yep,
as per Hogarth's Gin Lane
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 06, 2016, 12:19:21 pm
Thanks HardenClimber3.

"Somewhere to breed cod?" (8, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on May 18, 2016, 09:41:37 am
Methinks we need a further clue grahams!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 18, 2016, 10:13:46 am
For a moment I thought I'd forgotten the answer - I seem to remember that someone did that a few months ago.

Think fish families and Kingsdale.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on May 18, 2016, 10:42:34 am
Turbary Pot?

Nope

I can't count!

Got to be Growling Hole?

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 18, 2016, 10:51:50 am
That's the one Ian.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 18, 2016, 11:25:55 am
Growling?? Fish?? I don't get it.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Laurie on May 18, 2016, 11:30:30 am
Grow ling ( a relative of the cod family)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 18, 2016, 12:43:02 pm
Thank you, Laurie.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on May 18, 2016, 01:56:42 pm
Great clue I think!  It's blatant once you know the answer.

I'm concerned this will be wrong on cryptic crossword conventions, so forgive me if it is misleading.

Didn't let go of the burrow?  (5, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on May 18, 2016, 03:04:50 pm
 'Eldon Hole ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on May 18, 2016, 04:27:44 pm
 :clap2:

I was concerned that it would be too difficult, but got it in one!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 18, 2016, 05:42:50 pm
Nothing wrong with that one Ian - good clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on May 18, 2016, 05:48:39 pm
Nothing wrong with that one Ian - good clue.
:)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 18, 2016, 06:10:38 pm
OK, pendant hat: Technically, I think there should have been some indication that there was an 'h' missing from the answer – say: 'e didn't let go   ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 18, 2016, 06:30:55 pm
OK, pendant hat: Technically, I think there should have been some indication that there was an 'h' missing from the answer – say: 'e didn't let go   ?

Although Fulk is technically correct (especially from someone who does not know how to 'grow a Ling' ;D), this is a game of fun and not a crossword competition which requires Ximean conventions, I consider it a good clue :thumbsup:, over to you Trogger.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 18, 2016, 06:43:03 pm
OK, fair comment.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on May 18, 2016, 07:47:44 pm
Initially, and in no uncertain terms, certain Yorkshire academics are not welcome in this hole!  1.1.1.1. 3
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 18, 2016, 08:11:29 pm
Looks like A, I, N. U. CYA.

(Just playing silly buggers now ---)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on May 18, 2016, 08:32:48 pm
ANUS Pot.....lol
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on May 18, 2016, 09:12:47 pm
Sorry chaps - this is Cryptic Caves not Craptic ones!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on May 18, 2016, 09:14:31 pm
Foul pot?

Back to the previous clue, what does a question mark on a clue indicate? I thought it was something quirky as in slang or dialect?

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on May 18, 2016, 09:24:57 pm
Back to the previous clue, what does a question mark on a clue indicate? I thought it was something quirky as in slang or dialect?

My take is that it means whatever the clue-setter meant it to mean - so it could be quirky or it could be just a plain old red herring! Punctuation is sometimes used to "break" a pair of words in, perhaps, an attempt to disguise their meaning. But, hey, we're no professionals and its really all just for fun, methinks!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on May 18, 2016, 09:35:16 pm
ianball11 almost has it - with a bit of adjustment to the punctuation...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on May 18, 2016, 09:40:36 pm
F.O.U.L Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on May 18, 2016, 09:53:37 pm
Correct !!  For anyone not in the know, it was based on a remark made to cavers from University of Leeds.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on May 18, 2016, 10:03:49 pm
Slice of Eric's Theen Sloper Ingleborough round trip ? (8 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on May 18, 2016, 11:57:56 pm
With some imagination  :) ....... Hensler's Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on May 19, 2016, 08:49:32 am
That's it!

Slice of Erics is S

Then with 'then sloper' is an anagram, (indicated by round) which gives Eric's Ingleborough trip.

Helps if you put the right number of Es in the anagram though  :-[

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on May 19, 2016, 10:00:03 am
Excellent! Have a go at this one then:

Hot Welsh girl and Al get hitched! (10,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 19, 2016, 04:23:04 pm
Swarthgill Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on May 19, 2016, 11:30:08 pm
Indeed, grahams, that is correct so over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 20, 2016, 08:37:29 am
Thanks Andys. Here we go again:

"Pray badly in flatfish (7, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 20, 2016, 10:50:43 am
Sounds like Turbary Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 20, 2016, 11:23:13 am
Spot on Roger W. Fish n chips for you tonight.

Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 20, 2016, 11:50:55 am
Oh, gosh, my brain's not working at the moment...

Reformed Welsh coinage

5
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 21, 2016, 02:33:16 pm
All quiet...  try a re-phrasing?

Doesn't need to be coinage - any sort of cash will do.  So:

Welsh money re-arranged... 

Still  5.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on May 21, 2016, 03:24:23 pm
OGOF ARIAN CAVE ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 21, 2016, 03:27:34 pm
Sorry, no.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on May 21, 2016, 06:46:47 pm
Riana
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 21, 2016, 09:38:55 pm
Sorry, no.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 23, 2016, 08:23:26 am
Without much hope - Aggie?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 23, 2016, 09:01:23 am
This one is gated, and has been for a few hundred years.

No good approaching CCC or even Mr Fellows - even Cadw can't get you in here.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 26, 2016, 08:49:16 am
I think you've got us with this one Roger. Been interesting reading about Cadw but I for one need another hint.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 26, 2016, 05:09:44 pm
Castell Penfro...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on May 26, 2016, 05:45:28 pm
Wogan
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 26, 2016, 07:15:23 pm
Yayy!

Over to you, Droid.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on May 26, 2016, 08:02:15 pm
Bagel. Not inexperienced and not yours!

4,4
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 26, 2016, 08:27:22 pm
Bage Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on May 26, 2016, 08:31:38 pm
Over to you, Graham....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on May 26, 2016, 10:04:37 pm
Could you explain why Wogan is correct, Roger?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on May 27, 2016, 12:24:20 am
Could you explain why Wogan is correct, Roger?

Yes please. I don't get it either.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 27, 2016, 07:53:00 am
Thanks Droid.

"Sounds like the sort of hole 'oudini might be tied up in (8, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 27, 2016, 11:05:55 am
"Wonga" = money.

Reformed wonga = Wogan.

Wogan is a cavern under Pembroke Castle in Wales - therefore Welsh.

It was used as a storeroom and possibly as a boathouse, and has been gated since medieval times.

Access is via the castle, which is privately owned.  Hence Cadw - who provide access to many of the castles of Wales - are unable to get you in. 
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 27, 2016, 08:01:48 pm

"Sounds like the sort of hole 'oudini might be tied up in (8, 3)"

Notts Pot ?   (and you can't count....)  :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on May 27, 2016, 08:14:35 pm
Minihout dig?  (Never heard of it, but it fits...)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 28, 2016, 08:58:59 am

"Sounds like the sort of hole 'oudini might be tied up in (8, 3)"

Notts Pot ?   (and you can't count....)  :lol:

Interesting answer JasonC. I have been known to have brainfails when counting but this one's OK. Incorrect I'm afraid.
Clues - You're in the right bit of the Dales and it isn't an anag.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 30, 2016, 08:33:08 am
Ah..  :idea:

- would it be Boundary Pot ?  (bound 'arry) - very clever, even if no-one pronounces boundary like that!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 30, 2016, 09:34:31 am
That's the one JasonC.

I've lived up and down the country over the years including Dorset and Yorkshire, so I have to admit that my pronunciation of some words might be a bit uncoventional. I seem to remember that in Lancs it's 'boundary' rather than 'boundry' but I might be wrong - haven't been for many years.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 30, 2016, 12:52:35 pm
No criticism intended - it was a good clue and I can imagine a Dorset rendition coming out as Bound-arry :)

Try this, not a great clue, but the best I can do in 5 mins...

"1500 in real deal, following 1001, before a hundred give greetings to Caesar"   (8,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 30, 2016, 02:44:12 pm
That'd be Kirkdale Cave then. ----
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on May 30, 2016, 06:01:38 pm
Indeed it would!  Over to you, Bograt...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on May 30, 2016, 06:27:06 pm
No criticism intended - it was a good clue and I can imagine a Dorset rendition coming out as Bound-arry :)

Thanks for the comment and keep those clues coming :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 30, 2016, 07:33:18 pm
Cheers Jason;

"Top honcho is running substandard trashy leads to this residence." (6, 5.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on May 31, 2016, 08:49:56 pm
Jason
I kept looking at MD and MI. How did you arrive at KD and KI? I use things such as this a lot in exercises, so I'd like to know where it come from, so I can use it.
I had a lot of fun trying to make things like Mirmdale Cave. DOH.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on May 31, 2016, 11:15:45 pm
1000 can be represented by the Roman M, or the scientific K (Kilo ---).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 01, 2016, 07:48:27 pm
Just so.  Cheating a bit to mix Roman numerals and K(ilo)=1000, but cruciverbalists will be familiar with Thou = K = M = Grand = G.
Then there's 100 = C = ton, and probably others I've forgotten...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 01, 2016, 08:12:28 pm

"Top honcho is running substandard trashy leads to this residence." (6, 5.)


Thirst House
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 01, 2016, 08:38:40 pm
All yours Mark  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 08, 2016, 05:37:28 pm
Wakey wakey Mark!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 08, 2016, 09:33:59 pm
Sorry forgot

Stinking german soldier's, with disney character at junction.

(4-7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 11, 2016, 07:07:30 pm
Ilam Risings?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on June 11, 2016, 11:09:06 pm
Ilam Risings?

Out of interest, how did you think that related to the clue?  Or was it just the only cave with that word count ?

and no, I haven't any better ideas :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 12, 2016, 06:07:44 am
No not Ilam Risings
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 12, 2016, 07:51:31 am
Ilam Risings?

Out of interest, how did you think that related to the clue?  Or was it just the only cave with that word count ?

and no, I haven't any better ideas :)

I started with the word count and then tried to "engineer" a fit to the clue! Its got "m...ing" in it, which could be "stinking", and "s...s" which could be "german soldiers", but "Disney character" and "junction" - not unsurprisingly - I couldn't work out!   :wall:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on June 12, 2016, 11:16:24 am
Not wishing to appear a pedantic prat, but does the word count 4-7 mean it's hyphenated? Or should it be 4,7  i.e. two individual words?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 12, 2016, 11:30:38 am
4,7 - Two words
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 12, 2016, 03:03:05 pm
SS for german soldiers is good Andy
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 12, 2016, 03:40:38 pm
As it has the right letters and contains 'ss' but without much hope:
Lost Caverns (of Grassington Moor)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 12, 2016, 04:43:05 pm
Nope

Clue - Mendip
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 12, 2016, 06:43:34 pm
Well as far as I can make out, the onlt Mendip offerings with those letter counts are Bath Swallet, Pang Slocker and Slim Slocker. But I'll be b**ered if I can make any of those fit the clue. Unless the final word has been omitted (as was done recently with Thirst House Cave) in which cae Twin Titties would also fit. But I can't make that work either!  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 12, 2016, 11:18:48 pm
Final word is definitely included.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 13, 2016, 08:37:03 am
Is there something missing from the clue – Stinking german soldier's ?what?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 13, 2016, 10:06:29 am
Is there something missing from the clue – Stinking german soldier's ?what?

Or is it a feature rather than a whole cave perhaps?  :-\

Or ss there a "Poo's Swallet" that ain't in the book?  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 13, 2016, 01:01:14 pm
Whole cave - Burrington
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 13, 2016, 01:09:44 pm
Perchance is it meant to be Bos(s) Swallet with an errant extra S?

Stinking - BO
german soldier's - SS's
disney character - WALL-E
at junction - T junction
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on June 13, 2016, 02:05:45 pm
Thats about the gist of it Spike,

I didn't really check the spelling, I entered it as Boss Swallet in my log book from the 70s
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 13, 2016, 04:21:17 pm
New trouble, yarp? What a mix-up!

5,6,3
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 13, 2016, 06:32:15 pm
 Ubley Warren Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 13, 2016, 06:42:32 pm
What's a yarp?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on June 13, 2016, 10:59:05 pm
What's a yarp?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yarp (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yarp)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 13, 2016, 11:01:17 pm
Ubley Warren Pot?
Bingo...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 14, 2016, 08:38:40 am
Cheers Spike. Here's a quickie -

"Vamoose at 186,000mps (4, 4)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 14, 2016, 09:21:24 am
Is there a cave called 'Let's piss off at the speed of light'? Oh, sorry, it doesn't fit. (By the way, thank you Les for enlightening me as to the meaning of yarp.) (Mind you, the spell-checker didn't like it – tried to change it to harp.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 14, 2016, 10:59:51 am
Smoo Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 14, 2016, 04:41:45 pm
That's the one Spike - didn't think it would last long.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 14, 2016, 05:52:17 pm
Beyond the heart of England in the bounds of Oxford, I'm at home to George.

3,3
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 14, 2016, 06:00:11 pm
Old Ing
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Spike on June 14, 2016, 10:34:52 pm
Aye...

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Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 14, 2016, 11:01:13 pm
Quote
Cheers Spike. Here's a quickie -

"Vamoose at 186,000mps (4, 4)"

Well, I’ve already been taken to task for nit-picking pedantry with regards to these clues, so I’m going to risk it again:

I was under the impression that if the clue is an anagram (as seems to be the case here), then there should be some indication of it.

But in the above clue there is no indication that it is an anagram.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 15, 2016, 09:01:04 am
Quote
Cheers Spike. Here's a quickie -

"Vamoose at 186,000mps (4, 4)"

Well, I’ve already been taken to task for nit-picking pedantry with regards to these clues, so I’m going to risk it again:

I was under the impression that if the clue is an anagram (as seems to be the case here), then there should be some indication of it.

But in the above clue there is no indication that it is an anagram.

Hi Fulk. I have to admit, you've got me bang to rights. The clue should have been 'Vamoose at 186mps mangled' or similar. In this case I thought that the clue would have been too easy as you can see 'smoo' (a unique name) in 'vamoose'.

People are getting the right answers without too much extra help from the setters which would indicate that the clues are of good quality.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 15, 2016, 09:26:13 am
People are getting the right answers without too much extra help from the setters which would indicate that the clues are of good quality.

Wholeheartedly agree - however frustrating, we do generally get there in the end!

But a real pedant - like me!  :halo: - would also add that its better to avoid "clues to clues" too if we can. In grahams 's clue, we had first to decipher 186000mps to get "C" and THEN (i.e. a clue to a clue) include it in an anagram. But with a relatively small set of possible answers - and most of them having Pot, Cavern, Hole, Swallet, Cave etc etc as the final word - I don't think we should get too precious!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on June 15, 2016, 09:32:10 am
OK, fair comments – I'll have to be more 'creative', perhaps? (or 'imaginative') – in my approach to these clues.  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 15, 2016, 08:19:18 pm
Gold alloy measured by tailor's belongs to me

3,4,4.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 16, 2016, 12:02:22 am
Could this be Dun Fell Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 16, 2016, 06:18:58 am
Nope.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on June 16, 2016, 08:17:17 am
old gang mine
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 16, 2016, 05:55:29 pm
Close, but no cigar.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 17, 2016, 04:24:52 am
Clue.

I'm a member of WMRG
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 17, 2016, 08:16:34 am
Old Gell Mine then perhaps? (But isn't it really Old Gell's Mine  :unsure:)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on June 17, 2016, 09:14:50 am
Old Gell Mine then perhaps? (But isn't it really Old Gell's Mine  :unsure:)
That's why I didn't put it as an answer.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on June 17, 2016, 06:52:35 pm
Old Gell's Mine it is.

That's why there was an 's after tailor....


Andy and Mal can hash out who goes next.....lol
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 17, 2016, 08:33:34 pm
Quicky then (I win!)

Streetlamps bop all over the place!   (6,5,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 19, 2016, 08:52:10 am
Marble Steps Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 19, 2016, 03:43:55 pm
That's the badger: over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 20, 2016, 01:10:52 pm
Thanks Andys.

"Rhode Island earthenware (10, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 20, 2016, 01:59:26 pm
Providence Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on June 20, 2016, 02:53:04 pm
That didn't last long. Over to you Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 20, 2016, 03:31:20 pm
Thankee, kindly. Try this

All round Captain has elevation followed by depression.   (5,4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 27, 2016, 08:22:37 am
Time for a clue perhaps? Its in the Mendips.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 30, 2016, 01:02:17 pm
Still no takers?

Possibly time for another clue then - for "All round...." read "Circumnavigating..." ......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 30, 2016, 01:41:26 pm
cooks hill hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 30, 2016, 02:12:21 pm
Hooray - over to you Bograt!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on June 30, 2016, 04:17:28 pm
So obvious when you see the answer grrr   :lol:

Good clue  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on June 30, 2016, 05:31:58 pm
Agreed!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on June 30, 2016, 10:51:09 pm
So obvious when you see the answer grrr   :lol:
Good clue  :clap2:
Agreed!

Thankee kindly chaps! :bow:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on June 30, 2016, 11:23:43 pm
Cheers Andy  :thumbsup: ;

Take home the French guzzunder. (6, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 01, 2016, 09:45:41 am
Nettle Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 01, 2016, 11:47:54 am
Well done that man  :thumbsup:, Nettle Pot it is  ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 01, 2016, 02:09:13 pm
I don't want to sound like a party pooper but there seems to be an extra 't' in the answer, or am I missing summat?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 01, 2016, 03:19:57 pm
I'm assuming nett as opposed to gross rather than net.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 01, 2016, 08:24:26 pm
I'm assuming nett as opposed to gross rather than net.

Quite right my man  :) :) :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 03, 2016, 06:41:46 pm
Here's one then...

"Pale red takes syringed red cocktail."   (6,5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 04, 2016, 09:30:37 am
Priddy Green Sink?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 04, 2016, 10:54:33 am
Thats the one Grahams - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 05, 2016, 10:26:56 am
Priddy good anag there Andys.

"Good for skimming made by throwing (10, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 05, 2016, 11:32:47 am
Flatstones Pot (SD713770) ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 05, 2016, 03:21:22 pm
That's the one RogerW.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 05, 2016, 04:33:58 pm
Reportedly, public toilets were built in Hull to help fill this container.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 05, 2016, 04:39:00 pm
?,3 presumably?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 05, 2016, 06:59:06 pm
Aiyah!  Forgot again!  4,3.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 06, 2016, 08:06:19 am
Lose Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 06, 2016, 09:41:38 am
Nope.

A knowledge of the Yorkshire coast is useful for this one...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on July 06, 2016, 09:43:19 am
Pretty sure it is Alum Pot, but I don't have time to sort out another clue so if I'm right then somebody else should have a go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 06, 2016, 10:44:06 am
It is indeed, Les.

Over to whoever...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 06, 2016, 11:16:48 am
OK, try this;

'Endless Norman backs hotel danger, beware!' (6, 5, 4 )
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on July 06, 2016, 12:58:16 pm
My cryptic mojo has left me, why Alum Pot. I get the pot bit.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on July 06, 2016, 01:31:37 pm
Alum was processed on the E. Yorkshire coast using human urine, presumably obtained from the nearest metropolis: Hull.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 06, 2016, 02:54:43 pm
http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/yorkshire-coast/features/how-alum-shaped-the-yorkshire-coast (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/yorkshire-coast/features/how-alum-shaped-the-yorkshire-coast)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on July 06, 2016, 05:19:39 pm
OK, try this;

'Endless Norman backs hotel danger, beware!' (6, 5, 4 )

Ibbeth Peril Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on July 06, 2016, 05:50:39 pm
That looks promising...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 06, 2016, 07:09:24 pm
Droid has it  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on July 06, 2016, 08:14:37 pm
Have another go, Bograt.
That was a bloody excellent clue: I had the answer, then had to work out how it fitted.....lol
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 07, 2016, 08:43:29 am
Have another go, Bograt.
That was a bloody excellent clue: I had the answer, then had to work out how it fitted.....lol

Thanks Droid, glad you liked it  ;), bear with, got to have a couple of coffees to get brain in gear ...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 07, 2016, 09:43:21 am
O.K.;

'Babycham legend, about the 8th of May' (9, 4. )
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: yrammy on July 07, 2016, 12:46:47 pm
Perryfoot Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 07, 2016, 12:58:23 pm
All yours Yrammy  :clap2: :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 13, 2016, 10:07:14 am
Wake up yrammy, your go..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: yrammy on July 13, 2016, 12:20:54 pm
OK. Just woken up. Sorting one out now 
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: yrammy on July 13, 2016, 12:53:47 pm
Fish on corvid end, easing chicken pox.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 13, 2016, 02:26:49 pm
Pikedaw Calamine Cavern?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: yrammy on July 13, 2016, 03:22:35 pm
Correct. It was too easy. Over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 13, 2016, 03:28:08 pm
Defunct retail outlet round north with some part of Icelandic avens (5,4,4).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 13, 2016, 08:07:29 pm
Lante Shop Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 13, 2016, 09:11:39 pm
Lante Shop Cave it is.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 16, 2016, 09:06:08 am
Thanks Fulk.

"Change direction and confer a knighthood (4, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 16, 2016, 09:15:29 am
Turn Dub?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 16, 2016, 09:26:29 am
That's correct - lasted about 8 minutes.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 16, 2016, 10:31:15 am
Higher extended butter-making session? (5,4,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 16, 2016, 10:41:04 am
Upper Long Churn
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 16, 2016, 10:49:04 am
Yep . . . too easy, huh? Lasted about 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 16, 2016, 02:23:48 pm
What the bloke in Sherwood Forest said about his arrow? (6, 5, 4 )
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 16, 2016, 05:18:35 pm
Robin's Shaft Mine?????
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 16, 2016, 05:23:13 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol:, its all about wavelengths-- well done Fulk  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 16, 2016, 05:50:32 pm
Cheers, bograt; how about:

Private school rabbit hole distantly encountered round southern boundary (12,6,4,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andychapm on July 16, 2016, 07:22:26 pm
Charterhouse Warren farm swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 16, 2016, 08:09:57 pm
Couldn't really be much else, could it andy (given the letters)?  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andychapm on July 16, 2016, 09:04:44 pm
Beginning to open the door (8, 6, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 16, 2016, 11:11:43 pm
Starting Handle Pot?

PS bograt – I didn't get your comment about wavelengths . . . care to elucidate?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andychapm on July 17, 2016, 08:16:37 am
Yep, back to you, fulk :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 17, 2016, 09:37:13 am
Call oversight shattered this underground scenario.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 17, 2016, 10:52:52 am
Short Gill Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 17, 2016, 11:48:51 am
Short Gill Cave it is.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 17, 2016, 02:57:42 pm
Starting Handle Pot?

PS bograt – I didn't get your comment about wavelengths . . . care to elucidate?

Just that we appear to think along the same lines, i.e. on the same wavelength.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 17, 2016, 06:51:13 pm
Cheers Fulk.

"Removing a second transforms an overheated marine gearbox into a hole in the ground (6, 5)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 19, 2016, 10:10:18 am
As there's no takers, I think the original clue is a bit too obscure. This change should make the original clue a bit clearer.
Sorry for messing people about.

"Removing a second transforms an illegal activity into a hole in the ground (6, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 19, 2016, 10:45:25 am
And has the answer changed from (6,5) to (6,3) in the process?  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 19, 2016, 12:36:49 pm
That's correct Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 20, 2016, 09:57:49 am
Has "Moking Hurth" become "Moking Pot" perchance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 20, 2016, 12:29:06 pm
It has Andys. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 20, 2016, 01:36:01 pm
Ha - try this....

"Evolved ha? No! Lyon manufactured!" (5,6,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 20, 2016, 05:18:55 pm
Navvy Noodle Hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 20, 2016, 06:06:28 pm
Indeed it is - over to you Mark!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 21, 2016, 08:43:14 am
A top cream ale, shouldn't give you much of a head ache

(9-3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: mat on July 21, 2016, 10:01:40 am
Paracetam Ole.
 
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on July 21, 2016, 11:18:44 am
Nice one Mat
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: mat on July 21, 2016, 11:27:01 am
I'll pass the baton on to someone else as I'm useless at these
Mat
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 21, 2016, 03:31:18 pm
Could be back to me then? So rty

"Vacate PR cock-up after just one season."  (6,4,4)

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 21, 2016, 03:40:01 pm
Spring Trap Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 21, 2016, 06:08:57 pm
That's the one Fulk........
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 21, 2016, 06:25:44 pm
How about:

The heavenly messenger’s waste-water disposal system? (3,6,9).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 21, 2016, 07:51:13 pm
The Angels Drainpipe?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 21, 2016, 08:28:10 pm
That's the one!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on July 22, 2016, 07:43:33 am
Super - so try this though I'm away for the weekend so if it gets solved you'll have to either agree amongst yourselves or wait till Sunday evening!

"Force Tory reshuffle in attempt to cover the cracks."  (9,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 22, 2016, 09:40:58 am
Perryfoot Cave?


If I'm right (or not, as the case may be), here's one to keep the ball rolling:

District Commissioner, with the backing of Eva, surrounds beer and farm building (4,4,4).

(By the way, I liked your topical clue, andys.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 22, 2016, 10:01:11 am
Dale Head Barn?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 22, 2016, 10:02:56 am
Nice try, ianball, but you need to work on it.  ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2016, 10:34:39 am
Dalebarn Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 22, 2016, 10:42:33 am
Dale Barn Cave it is, so fight it out, ianball and bograt.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2016, 11:31:06 am
Ianball did most of the work, over to you Ian....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 22, 2016, 12:59:46 pm
Apart from the fact I got it wrong haha!  I'm not too proud to not accept the offer though :-)

Carl Clerck's moth in a hollow place in the ground (6, 8, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 22, 2016, 02:51:40 pm
Mother Shipton's Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on July 22, 2016, 03:42:50 pm
 :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 22, 2016, 04:03:57 pm
Tall wet prince tells all – explosive! (6,8,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 22, 2016, 08:03:39 pm
Little Cranwell Pallets ?

when you've finished laughing - why on Earth was Ian's Mother Shipton's ?   (and I'm not even sure if it qualifies as a cave!!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2016, 08:17:37 pm
More likely to be 'Little Crapnell Swallet', Same as you, I hold no hope but baffled by the previous answer ( and I thought it was a 'parlour' anyway---), -- must be 'wavelengths'--- :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 22, 2016, 09:14:38 pm
Ho hum, I Googled 'Carl Clerck's moth' and it came up with the fact that an 18th century entomologist called Carl Clerck had named a particular moth as Mother Shipton's Moth. Hence MS's cave.

And it is Little Crapnell Swallet – nice try, but hard luck Jason . . .  are you coming to the Copper Mines on Sunday?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 22, 2016, 09:33:20 pm
I got the 'little --- swallet' , jasonc just allowed me to tidy up the rest of the anagram---- over to you Jason...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 24, 2016, 09:20:16 am
Fulk: alas, no

Bograt: Well, an undeserved offer, but I won't turn it down...

Very soft fur wrapped in lettuce after scam is hundred (8,11)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on July 24, 2016, 03:47:45 pm
Coniston Coppermines I'd say?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 24, 2016, 03:55:56 pm
What a loverly clue  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on July 24, 2016, 05:00:01 pm
Trogger: you'd say rightly - over to you  :thumbsup:

Bograt: why thank you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 24, 2016, 05:34:09 pm
Jason – so you'd rather faff around inventing clues for the Copper Mines instead of visiting them for real?   :tease:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on July 24, 2016, 07:01:02 pm
OK. This one shouldn't last long:  Childish item with watery sound, found in Dales Cave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 24, 2016, 08:48:43 pm
Toyland?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on July 24, 2016, 10:27:25 pm
No, sorry my fault, forgot to add numbers. Clue should have read: "Childish item with watery sound, found in Dales Cave"  (6,3,7).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 25, 2016, 03:09:00 pm
Gi'us a clue, Trogger; is it a feature in a cave rather than the name of a cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on July 26, 2016, 06:45:44 pm
It's a feature in a cave - a mined section in fact.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 29, 2016, 05:49:02 pm
Quote
OK. This one shouldn't last long:
    :(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 29, 2016, 07:16:45 pm
Rattle and Sploosh
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 29, 2016, 07:21:28 pm
I like it, bograt  :clap2:  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 29, 2016, 09:17:31 pm
Just waiting for an aye or nay from Trogger---

BTW, remember hearing about it, but where is it??  :-[
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on July 29, 2016, 11:51:09 pm
Spot on bograt - all yours now!  It's in Dow Cave beyond Hobson's Choice, and was surveyed by the CPC.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on July 30, 2016, 08:47:43 am
Well, well, I thought you'd made it up, bograt!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 30, 2016, 09:46:09 am
Cheers Trogger;

Modern and Neanderthal residences at the oasis?. (6, 5, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on July 30, 2016, 03:53:49 pm
Thirst House Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on July 30, 2016, 04:01:40 pm
Well done grahams, over to you..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 01, 2016, 09:18:46 am
Cheers Bograt.

"A big hole found under seat j1 for example (6, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 01, 2016, 11:05:32 am
Pewter pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 01, 2016, 11:20:21 am
Rowten pot.

( Just got it, seat j---, row ten  :wall: :wall:)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 04, 2016, 07:34:05 am
Bump for grahams, is this the correct answer?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 04, 2016, 08:46:55 am
Sorry for the delay Bograt.

Yes that's the place.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 04, 2016, 09:57:39 am
Thanks graham;

Praise the script! complete without the heading. (8,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 06, 2016, 05:17:35 pm
Have we hit another hiatus?, do you want a clue?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 07, 2016, 09:41:13 am
I do!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 07, 2016, 11:36:06 am
OK, lets narrow it down, not NC, not COPD...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 07, 2016, 04:09:34 pm
Avelines Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 07, 2016, 05:35:11 pm
That's the one crickleymal  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 07, 2016, 08:11:05 pm
OK I'm sure this won't last long
Parched, not completely after half take a short look (4,2,6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 08, 2016, 09:30:48 pm
Hint needed?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 09, 2016, 08:48:12 am
Mainly because it fits the letter count: Ogof yr Esgyrn.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 09, 2016, 10:12:08 am
Nope, it's a feature.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2016, 10:50:23 am
Hall of thirty?.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 09, 2016, 10:59:23 am
That's the badger. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2016, 01:53:35 pm
Cheers Malc. ;


No mist reversed investigation in skill. (4, 2, 6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 09, 2016, 03:10:02 pm
Mainly because it fits the letter count: Ogof yr Esgyrn.   ;D :ang:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2016, 05:46:10 pm
Mainly because it fits the letter count: Ogof yr Esgyrn.   ;D :ang:


 :lol:, Close, but no cigar  :lol:......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 09, 2016, 06:20:40 pm
I thought Crickleymal might throw us a bone if I made a stab at the answer.
Gotta say I'm impressed by your crosswording skills Bograt - would never have found that answer myself.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2016, 06:46:03 pm
I thought Crickleymal might throw us a bone if I made a stab at the answer.
Gotta say I'm impressed by your crosswording skills Bograt - would never have found that answer myself.


Thanks for that Graham, have a stab at the new one-----
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 09, 2016, 08:05:32 pm
Ogof ap Robert, methinks... which I'd never heard of until I looked at http://www.ogof.org.uk/ (http://www.ogof.org.uk/)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2016, 08:16:38 pm
Go For it JasonC, all yours  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 09, 2016, 11:12:41 pm
D     ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 09, 2016, 11:29:39 pm
Dalehead??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2016, 10:09:02 am
Or Deathshead (as in Pratchett)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 10, 2016, 12:32:54 pm
Death's Head was what I had in mind, though I realise I was being a bit cheeky in not giving the letter count.
So Dale Head would also fit the bill...

Well done to both of you, Bograt and Graham - take it away, whoever gets in first :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 10, 2016, 01:42:11 pm
Go for it graham :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2016, 02:19:13 pm
Thanks, although Bograt did a lot of the work there.

As we're into slightly unusual clues, here's one for a well
trodden Dales cave feature:

"As the manager of the Performance sits before the curtain on the
boards and looks into the Fair, a feeling of profound melancholy
comes over him in his survey of the bustling place. There is a great
quantity of eating and drinking, making love and jilting, laughing ..... " (10, 7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 10, 2016, 04:37:33 pm
Thackeray's Passage?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2016, 04:45:21 pm
That's it Fulk. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 10, 2016, 05:00:23 pm
Retail a nocturnal excursion? – well, that's what it sounds like! (8,7) [A feature in a cave).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 10, 2016, 05:38:41 pm
Selenite Passage?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 10, 2016, 05:41:01 pm
Yep; too easy huh?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 11, 2016, 08:57:19 am
Cheers Fulk - good wordplay.

Here's aother:

Inside every smarty-boot per'aps there's a (8, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 12, 2016, 11:30:50 pm
Apparently there is some caving event happening during the next week ?? there may be some delay to responses -----
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 13, 2016, 09:22:39 am
Apparently there is some caving event happening during the next week ?? there may be some delay to responses -----

Meanwhile, here's a pointer to the answer - it's one of those irritating punning homophones for which I apologise.
The handle for the clue is the content of one's boot.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 13, 2016, 10:43:04 am
Stinking foot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 13, 2016, 03:06:06 pm
Hunter's Hole ?  (Hunter Sole   :unsure:)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 13, 2016, 04:47:36 pm
Hunter's Hole is a great answer but doesn't quite fit with the clue. Stinking Foot also has something going for it, though I've never heard of the place.
To narrow it down a bit, we're in the Dales.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 13, 2016, 06:46:39 pm
Stinking Foot also has something going for it, though I've never heard of the place.
I made it up to fit with the clue and the hint.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 13, 2016, 07:58:56 pm
The next time I discover a cave, I will name it Stinking Foot :D

- and I can't quite explain how I thought 'Hunters' had 8 letters  :thumbsdown:

Nearest I can get in the Dales is Hangman's Hole, but that doesn't work either....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on August 13, 2016, 08:47:50 pm
Footnaw's Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: bograt on August 13, 2016, 08:59:14 pm
Hmm, I think "smarty" may be significant??
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 14, 2016, 08:24:25 am
Footnaw's Hole?

That's the one Inferus. :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 14, 2016, 08:31:59 am
The next time I discover a cave, I will name it Stinking Foot :D
That could be my caving legacy :clap2:

OK I get the foot and the hole parts of the answer, but where does the naws come from?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on August 14, 2016, 09:13:37 am
The next time I discover a cave, I will name it Stinking Foot :D
That could be my caving legacy :clap2:

OK I get the foot and the hole parts of the answer, but where does the naws come from?

Inside every smarty-boot per'aps there's a - explanation.

'Smarty-boot' is slang for know-all - similar to 'clever clogs'. 'per'aps' implies unsounded 'h'.

Footnaws Hole is homophone of 'foot knows all'.

Sorry for the dodgy clue - I'm off to crawl away down the nearest hole.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 14, 2016, 05:59:31 pm

Footnaws Hole is homophone of 'foot knows all'.


is it ?  knows fook all .... 


(sorry :))
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on August 14, 2016, 09:04:42 pm
Having seen the explanation I kind of understand it, although previous replies with foot and "..s hole" coupled with in the Dales gave me enough clues to think of Footnaws.. I was actually thinking Foot na Sole spoke in some random dialect. I'm not great at creating clues so I'm more than happy to throw it open - first come first served and all that  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 14, 2016, 10:56:04 pm
Here's an easy one then, to keep things going...

Make love to a small aperture on Mendip  (6,4).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 14, 2016, 10:59:53 pm
Wookey Hole  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on August 15, 2016, 09:04:41 am
That's the one, Jason!  Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 15, 2016, 11:01:43 am
Make love? Isn't that Nooky Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 15, 2016, 09:09:58 pm
Woo = make love like an owl...

anyway, try this:

Working giant in place of trouble  (5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on August 24, 2016, 08:01:20 am
Dunno, give us a clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 24, 2016, 02:25:59 pm
it's in NC1, if that's any help...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 25, 2016, 07:36:06 pm
ok then, think about where there's always trooble, oop north....



(didn't think it would be this hard!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on August 29, 2016, 05:28:01 pm
I seem to have killed this thread, so here's the answer: MONGO GILL

Place of trouble is MILL (as in "trouble at t'mill"), which contains ON ('working') and GOG ('giant', as in Gog and Magog)

The floor is open to anyone else who wants a go ...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on August 29, 2016, 05:51:01 pm
Got the 'mill' bit, considered the 'gog' bit, totally missed the 'on' bit.

Nice clue, Jason.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 29, 2016, 06:21:20 pm
Yeah, got the mill bit; I was thinking on the lines of Ringle Mill, though.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 30, 2016, 05:47:17 pm
Here's one to keep the ball rolling:

Around mast in Reeth for a feature in the Easegill System (3,8)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on August 30, 2016, 06:25:36 pm
The Minarets
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on August 30, 2016, 08:14:37 pm
Spot on, Droid  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on September 02, 2016, 07:22:46 pm
Wakey wakey Droid
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on September 02, 2016, 07:45:46 pm
Aaaargh.....done it again.

You have a go, Mal. My brain is fried.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on September 03, 2016, 12:37:38 am
Oh bugger. Ummmm

Remote veining would be problematic here. 6,3,4
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 03, 2016, 11:50:00 am
Geevor Tin Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on September 03, 2016, 12:32:17 pm
Yes, obviously too simple.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 03, 2016, 02:05:31 pm
What about:

Wrath near ferocious caving suit in international nuclear research facility (5, 4, 6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on September 03, 2016, 02:18:56 pm
Ireby Fell Cavern.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 03, 2016, 02:29:18 pm
Bugger; that didn't last long!!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on September 03, 2016, 04:53:35 pm
Have another go, mate....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 03, 2016, 05:25:32 pm
OK:

Organize street lamp mantle after loss of the French for this cave feature (8,6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on September 03, 2016, 05:50:11 pm
Tratman's Temple
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 03, 2016, 06:01:09 pm
Hooray – moved on from Droid  :tease:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on September 03, 2016, 06:14:24 pm
Confused, he depart tasting food (4, 9, 6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 04, 2016, 12:00:53 pm
Ogof Tarddiant Hepste?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on September 04, 2016, 12:33:53 pm
That's it!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 04, 2016, 02:01:43 pm
OK – an easy one:

Fond of funny dog around this cave (4,7,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on September 04, 2016, 04:28:55 pm
That'll be Ogof Ffynnon Ddu
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 04, 2016, 06:13:49 pm
It certainly is.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on September 04, 2016, 07:20:01 pm
Disturbed great vein can be found in recent answer. (5, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 05, 2016, 12:48:00 pm
Tiger Aven?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on September 05, 2016, 12:55:45 pm
That's correct. Your turn I believe.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 05, 2016, 01:37:47 pm
Try this then:

Pound held Carls at sixes and sevens."  (9,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 07, 2016, 07:56:41 am
Sorry guys - you won't get that 'cos I've just spotted a typo! It should read:

"Pound held Carrs at sixes and sevens." (9,4).

Sorry 'bout that!  :spank:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 10, 2016, 02:35:29 pm
Time for a further clue perchance? Its in Mendip!

And if no-one gets it today then you can decide amongst yourselves 'cos I'm off and out of touch for a fortnight!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Elaine on September 16, 2016, 08:36:30 am
If it is Mendip, it can be Drunkards Hole, Reservoir Hole or Hillwithy/Withyhill.
I can get any of those to fit the clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 16, 2016, 09:07:20 am
I think that you should keep the ball rolling and give us a clue, Elaine.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on September 16, 2016, 09:59:24 am
If it is Mendip, it can be Drunkards Hole, Reservoir Hole or Hillwithy/Withyhill.
I can get any of those to fit the clue.

You're doing better than me. How do those fit?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Elaine on September 20, 2016, 07:34:24 am
They are the only ones I could think of that fitted the 9, 4,
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 20, 2016, 10:04:22 am
Quote
And if no-one gets it today then you can decide amongst yourselves

So here goes:

Satan's lacking left orifice, came round with vines (5,4,4,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on September 20, 2016, 11:00:46 am
Devis Hole Mine Caves  - I'd say.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on September 20, 2016, 11:04:58 am
Spot on, Trogger
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on September 25, 2016, 10:15:09 pm

"Pound held Carrs at sixes and sevens." (9,4).

Time for a further clue perchance? Its in Mendip!

And if no-one gets it today then you can decide amongst yourselves 'cos I'm off and out of touch for a fortnight!

'Twas Quiddlers Arch....... but carry on anyway Trogger!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on September 26, 2016, 03:57:13 pm
good clue  :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on September 26, 2016, 06:50:11 pm
An article definitely behind and beloved by the surfer (but not by most other folk)  (3,11)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on October 01, 2016, 04:08:49 pm
Five days and no suggestions? Thought it was fairly easy - the clue that is! - it's an awkward contortion.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 01, 2016, 10:43:19 pm
Although not uncommon, Ive no idea.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on October 01, 2016, 11:02:41 pm
I'm pretty confident the first word is THE, and would hazard a guess the second ends in TUBE, if that helps anyone....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 01, 2016, 11:14:14 pm
The Bigwavecave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on October 01, 2016, 11:49:18 pm
Ah-ha - the definite article is indeed correct... 3 down, 11 to go!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 02, 2016, 01:58:39 am
The ????breaker . . .
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on October 02, 2016, 08:23:53 am
The Arsebreaker?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 02, 2016, 09:57:05 am
Doesn't quite fit the clue but - the Backbreaker, Bye George Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on October 02, 2016, 12:07:15 pm
Quite right grahams, over to you! The Backbreaker in Bye George, an offshoot of Pippikin. Thought the clue was OK: An article definitely (ie definite article) = THE;  behind = BACK;  and beloved by the surfer = BREAKER. Then later mention of a contortion and not loved by most folk. Simpler clue than many I've seen!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 02, 2016, 04:44:59 pm
Well, Trogger, I suspect that the reason it took so long for your clue to be cracked has nothing to do with the 'quality' of the clue, but rather to the fact that the answer wasn't a (well-know) cave but a somewhat obscure section of a cave that's not exactly a bog-standard tourist trip.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on October 02, 2016, 05:29:22 pm
Fulk: Obscure? Just wait for the new NC3!  Bye George has been around for over 20 years and has its own entrance. Pete Hall wrote a detailed account in Caves and Caving, Spring 1996. Mistral to Cigalere is a popular trip as far as the Grand Cascade. It starts above this waterfall and emerges onto the fellside via some (admittedly) non-bog-standard caving, including The Backbreaker squeeze.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 02, 2016, 06:09:49 pm
Quite right grahams, over to you! The Backbreaker in Bye George, an offshoot of Pippikin. Thought the clue was OK: An article definitely (ie definite article) = THE;  behind = BACK;  and beloved by the surfer = BREAKER. Then later mention of a contortion and not loved by most folk. Simpler clue than many I've seen!

Ah I see. Good clue Trogger though I had a lot of help getting the answer.

This should be a quickie:

"Burn carts for a pleasant trip (9, 4)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on October 02, 2016, 06:46:44 pm
Bruntscar Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 02, 2016, 06:57:27 pm
I didn't say 'obscure cave' but
Quote
obscure section of a cave
.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 03, 2016, 09:06:45 am
That's the one Steviet. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on October 03, 2016, 11:56:30 am
OK - try this

It was an understandably wasteful year said Lord Cyan's wife but take a deep breath and dream (4,5,10,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 03, 2016, 11:59:46 am
Lady Blue's Underwater Fantasy?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on October 03, 2016, 12:09:25 pm
Indeed (you probably could have guessed it by the numbers alone!)

Over to you Fulk...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 03, 2016, 12:17:33 pm
Article followed by morsels of bread trapping French article leads to this cave (3,8).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 03, 2016, 04:02:29 pm
Got to be "The Crumbles"?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 03, 2016, 05:33:17 pm
It certainly has, andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 03, 2016, 06:15:27 pm
 Cheers. Have a go at this one then.....

"No ban upon a quarterly production." (5,5,6,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 03, 2016, 08:03:10 pm
Blaen Onneu Quarry Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 03, 2016, 11:19:34 pm
Thats it in one Graham  - over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 04, 2016, 05:57:16 pm
Cheers Andys - impressive 19 letter anag.

Here's another:

"Recycles exhaust gas after a bad party (7, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on October 04, 2016, 07:56:29 pm
That sounds as if it could be Turbary Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: steviet_scg on October 04, 2016, 10:26:11 pm
Cheers Andys - impressive 19 letter anag.



pah ... 26 is the one to beat  :smartass: ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 05, 2016, 08:46:33 am
That sounds as if it could be Turbary Pot

It is indeed Roger. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Alex on October 05, 2016, 10:59:40 am
I really wish you would post your workings. I do not understand how you so easily solve these.

Recycles exhaust gas - I would have thought that was a catalyic converter, so cat
A bad party - flop? so catflop and as its after then post which would put after the flop

So I would come up with Floppostcat pot. How the heck did you get Turbury?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 05, 2016, 11:28:05 am
Turbochargers (usually shortened to turbo) work by using an engine's exhaust gas to force more air/fuel into the combustion chamber i.e. the exhaust gas is recycled. The rest of the clue is an anagram of 'party' as indicated by the word 'bad'.

Cats convert most of the nasties in exhaust gas to less harmful compounds but do not recycle the gas for extra power as does a turbo.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on October 05, 2016, 11:52:53 am
Sometimes I think composing these things can be harder than solving them...   See if this works:

  Hen racing?  Nowt to do with that!  But which pullet has the best foot all twisted up?  (4 3 2 3 7)

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on October 05, 2016, 01:48:37 pm
Bull Pot of the Witches? Mainly because it fits the letter count.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 05, 2016, 01:49:59 pm
BPotW = which pullet best foot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on October 05, 2016, 02:09:24 pm
That didn't last long!

Crickleymal has proved that he knows his caves and can count, but Andy has identified the anagram.    :smartass:

Over to whoever..    :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on October 05, 2016, 07:29:19 pm
OK try this
Shoveller has flair and online security around the south. 5,4,7
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 05, 2016, 08:48:59 pm
Thrupe Lane Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 05, 2016, 11:48:17 pm
Or maybe Stoke Lane Swallet? 
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 05, 2016, 11:52:30 pm
Last try - Stoke Lane Slocker.  I was getting my e-wallets and e-lockers mixed up.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on October 06, 2016, 07:03:29 am
Last try - Stoke Lane Slocker.  I was getting my e-wallets and e-lockers mixed up.
That's it.
Shoveller =stoker, flair =elan and online security = e lock around S for south.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 06, 2016, 12:52:02 pm
For the lengthy anagram lovers,
Beer merchant threatening beach, scramble to Welsh cave feature (3,3,7,4,3,8)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 06, 2016, 01:34:46 pm
The Big Chamber near the Entrance
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 06, 2016, 02:26:31 pm
That's it - maybe the easier ones are longer if the word count is given.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 06, 2016, 02:31:42 pm
Alien follows extensive forest, southern boundary, to this Mendip cave (8, 7).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on October 06, 2016, 04:04:44 pm
Longwood Swallet?

Long Wood, S(outh) Wall ET?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 06, 2016, 04:34:12 pm
Yep, Kevlar, Longwood Swallet it is.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on October 07, 2016, 12:40:48 pm
According to legend we'd find this one either in the rock or underwater.
(9)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 07, 2016, 01:04:00 pm
Excalibur
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on October 07, 2016, 01:24:14 pm
Too easy! :D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 07, 2016, 06:44:09 pm
Hotter hound trips around right in this Mendip cave route (3,5,5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on October 07, 2016, 10:12:43 pm
The Short Round Trip.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 07, 2016, 10:38:39 pm
The Short Round Trip, indeed!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on October 08, 2016, 02:03:28 pm
Confounded entrapment with entire male deer and bird. Here be caves. (10, 11)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 09, 2016, 04:41:58 pm
Llangattock Escarpment? (but ain't that 11,10 not 10,11?)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on October 09, 2016, 09:11:38 pm
Oops sorry - got the numbers the wrong way round. You are correct.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 10, 2016, 09:10:09 am
 :spank:

However....

"Snap my light in kneeling position 'cos I can only get in here when its dry. (9,4,4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on October 10, 2016, 07:19:11 pm
Penyghent Gill Main Sink ?

I'd never heard of this, but I found a survey for it on Cave Maps... aren't crosswords educational?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 10, 2016, 07:39:04 pm
That's the one Jason so over to you - and, yes, they are educational!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on October 10, 2016, 09:51:57 pm
"Caddish belly, reportedly"

Letter count to be provided if no takers....

PS Nice anagram, Andy btw :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 11, 2016, 09:39:24 am
Boundary Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 11, 2016, 10:43:07 am
Groan.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on October 11, 2016, 07:18:27 pm
Boundary Pot?

That's the one, Graham  :thumbsup:

Fulk: I thought it was quite good actually....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 11, 2016, 07:25:51 pm
Thanks JasonC. It was a groaner and a good clue. Here's another:

"Dane needs a WC for an occasional outpouring (6, 5)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 12, 2016, 07:30:47 pm
To keep this going here's a bit of help and a modification to the original clue:

"Dane needs WC for an occasional outpouring (6, 5)"

Yorkshire Dales' feature of considerable speleological significance.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on October 12, 2016, 08:13:58 pm
Cawden Burst
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 13, 2016, 09:13:40 am
Cawden Burst it is. Over to you Inferus.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on October 13, 2016, 03:11:57 pm
Bah, should refrain from guessing as it means creating a clue! Hope this works...

Perhaps in pain because of this digit, which requires a vessel. (6, 6, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 13, 2016, 03:33:00 pm
I know what you mean. Anyway, more pain:

Broken Finger Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on October 13, 2016, 07:46:39 pm
That's the one...back to you grahams..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 14, 2016, 11:39:54 am
What's the Cawden Burst?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 14, 2016, 01:01:48 pm
What's the Cawden Burst?

If I've got it right, its a sporadic flood rising near Malham - thought to "burst" into action when the water sinking in the Watlowes Valley overruns its normal sinks. But I'm sure someone will correct me!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 14, 2016, 03:28:05 pm
Thank you, andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 14, 2016, 04:38:04 pm
What's the Cawden Burst?

If I've got it right, its a sporadic flood rising near Malham - thought to "burst" into action when the water sinking in the Watlowes Valley overruns its normal sinks. But I'm sure someone will correct me!

That's right Andys. Cawden Burst issues a spectacular amount of water in wet weather from a scree slope just above the Malham - Gordale road. Mining through the scree would be needed to get at the resurgence, which has huge potential. Ref. Ch 25 Caves and Karst of the Yorkshire Dales.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 14, 2016, 05:36:25 pm
Thanks Inferus. Here's another:

"Lighthouses in Lancaster? (3, 8)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 14, 2016, 05:58:32 pm
The Minarets???
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 14, 2016, 06:19:45 pm
That didn't last long. It's yours Fulk.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 15, 2016, 09:59:36 am
Explosive 'do' in the Dales (7,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 16, 2016, 11:41:05 am
We'll, a day's gone by with only a deathly hush; is everybody out caving?

Anyway, here's a clue to the clue: What goes bang in NC 1?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 16, 2016, 05:42:58 pm
Not sure how "do" fits but Grenade Shaft?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 16, 2016, 05:57:38 pm
Correct, grahams; 'do' as in 'do someone over', hence 'shaft'!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 16, 2016, 06:21:15 pm
Ah, very good.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 18, 2016, 09:20:56 am
Final resting place of the butterwoman's horse? (4, 6, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 18, 2016, 10:48:55 am
Dead Dobbin Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Alex on October 18, 2016, 01:28:41 pm
That's not a cave though is it, its  only part of a cave and is called the dead bobbin series?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Les W on October 18, 2016, 01:45:50 pm
Looks like a cave according to Cavemaps.org
http://cavemaps.org/cavePages/Leck%20Fell__Dead%20Dobbin%20Pot.htm (http://cavemaps.org/cavePages/Leck%20Fell__Dead%20Dobbin%20Pot.htm)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 18, 2016, 01:46:37 pm
It's a hole in its own right (see NC 3 / p. 90).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 18, 2016, 04:30:54 pm
"For Friday last lean Dobbin went to pot" - a terrible poem, worthy of the great William McGonagall (though it's by Francis Fawkes).

Over to you Fulk.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 18, 2016, 06:40:34 pm
Shy dandy calls one crab out to guard the depths (6, 3, 9) (And it's not the name of a cave, so there Alex :tease:)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 18, 2016, 07:04:52 pm
Scylla and Charybdis?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 18, 2016, 07:50:20 pm
Quick as a flash, andys, you got it.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 19, 2016, 08:41:42 am
Wonderful, so try this 'un.....

"Grohl and Cameron both take on evil scheme I concocted."  (5,4,4,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 19, 2016, 09:13:11 am
Devis Hole Mine Caves?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 19, 2016, 10:08:41 am
Here's the clue I posted about a month ago to the same cave (assuming the answer is correct):


Satan's lacking left orifice, came round with vines (5,4,4,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 19, 2016, 10:41:05 am
Yes Devis it is - and apologies for the "repeat", I must have missed the last one whilst over in Spain!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on October 19, 2016, 11:28:00 am
No problem (or implied criticism) – I was merely pointing out how different are two clues to the same place!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 19, 2016, 05:11:18 pm
Thanks Andys.

"Show killing leads to Hanging Death (7, 4)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on October 19, 2016, 05:50:18 pm
Obvious...  Howkins Gill   :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 19, 2016, 06:15:13 pm
Sorry JasonC but no.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 19, 2016, 06:15:51 pm
So close I suspect! How about Howgill Sink?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 19, 2016, 06:26:44 pm
That's the one Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 19, 2016, 07:00:27 pm
Here's one then:

"Smack, for example, woven lilac vest without any pity."   (5,4,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 23, 2016, 10:49:05 am
Time for a further clue then perhaps?

They're in Northern Caves but off the beaten track.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 23, 2016, 03:35:03 pm
Not sure why but Lover Gill Caves?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on October 23, 2016, 05:06:22 pm
Or Dover Gill Caves... don't know why either!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 23, 2016, 06:10:37 pm
Both close - but no cigar!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on October 23, 2016, 07:45:49 pm
I'll try Skell Gill Caves, but no idea how it works, if it's right...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 23, 2016, 11:22:36 pm
Nope! Still no cigar! And wrong volume!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Mark on October 24, 2016, 07:45:33 am
Trudge Gill Caves?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 24, 2016, 09:38:44 am
Never heard of 'em - and its (5,4,5)!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 24, 2016, 02:08:21 pm
"Smack, for example, woven lilac vest without any pity."   (5,4,5)


Lower Kirk Caves?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 24, 2016, 03:16:47 pm
My thinking goes along these lines.

Smack is a kick

woven is anagram indicator for woven lilac vest, and also indicates the 'smack' is in the middle of the answer. without any pity drops nil and t

W O V E N  L  I L A C  V E S T

L O W E r kirk C A V E S

I'm ignoring the 'c' of kick being an 'r' in Kirk and no 'r' in 'woven lilac vest' for Lower
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on October 24, 2016, 03:39:09 pm
Slape Gill Caves?

I  arrived at that by this logic:
Smack = slap
Example = eg
Lilac vest (woven=anag) = ill caves (minus t, which I couldn't work out, something to do with pity..)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 24, 2016, 03:45:13 pm
Slape Gill is the one!

You're quite correct with the first three bits ("Smack" = S L A P, "for example" = E G, "lilac" becomes  I L L C A) and the last bit is the letters of V E S T, but minus the T 'cos that's in "pity".

Well done and over to you......  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on October 24, 2016, 04:04:28 pm
Ahh, cheers, I'll get my head round it all one day!

This possibly won't last long:

Miserable and mixed up internet scabbard has no memory card. (8, 6, 8 )
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 24, 2016, 04:05:59 pm
Got to love a trier  :(

Good clue Andys!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 24, 2016, 06:39:28 pm
Wretched Rabbit Entrance?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on October 24, 2016, 09:28:45 pm
I much prefer the challenge of working out than creating my own - I said it wouldn't last long, so it's back to you andys....  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 24, 2016, 11:47:48 pm
Try this one then..........

Much of the North esteems our synthetic fudge!  (5, 8, 6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 25, 2016, 07:03:56 pm
Three Counties System?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on October 25, 2016, 07:53:34 pm
Good anagram  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 26, 2016, 12:12:11 am
Spot on - over to you Graham.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 26, 2016, 10:14:37 am
Thanks Andys.

"Are we in Yorkshire yet? I want to go underground. (9, 4, 4)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 28, 2016, 09:22:50 am
Time for a clue - CaKotYD Chapter 22.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Inferus on October 31, 2016, 08:17:03 am
Yorkshire Yeti Cave.
Not got the book/pdf to hand to check though..if it is then throw it open..
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on October 31, 2016, 08:34:35 am
That's it Inferus - hidden word clue. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 31, 2016, 11:16:47 am
....... then throw it open..

Methinks Inferus is meaning ...... anyone else want a go at crafting and posting a clue?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 31, 2016, 12:08:13 pm
Tub after North of King's Lynn bend  (8,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 31, 2016, 01:02:29 pm
Washfold Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on October 31, 2016, 01:10:39 pm
 :clap2:

Ace, although it's nice for a clue to be a bit difficult, it's better than it needs no clues or explanantion haha!


Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 31, 2016, 01:21:12 pm
Well lets see how this one goes then.....

"Makes legs work at tor in Derbyshire." (7,6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 31, 2016, 08:19:02 pm
Walkers Grotto
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 31, 2016, 09:21:56 pm
Bingo! The stage is yours...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 31, 2016, 10:32:45 pm
Mendip butcher calls the wurst t'best.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on October 31, 2016, 11:32:41 pm
St Cuthberts Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on October 31, 2016, 11:57:29 pm
Quite right - I thought it would be too easy if I gave the letter count.  Carry on . . .
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 01, 2016, 06:40:12 am
"My place - its not so far, and sounds like it's complete!"  (4,5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 01, 2016, 08:02:41 am
"My place - its not so far, and sounds like it's complete!"  (4,5,4)
At a guess Home Close Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 01, 2016, 06:03:42 pm
That's the one  :) - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 01, 2016, 08:12:59 pm
Where Mr Lennon might keep his stew.

I'll give the word length if it proves to be less than obvious
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on November 01, 2016, 08:15:49 pm
Illusion Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 01, 2016, 11:27:51 pm
Nope
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 02, 2016, 11:32:41 am
Lost John's Pot would seem to fit, except that it's Lost John's Cave I believe...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 02, 2016, 12:06:59 pm
Nope. the letter count is 6,3
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 02, 2016, 12:34:25 pm
Quarry Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 02, 2016, 12:49:23 pm
Nope. Caves of North Wales
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 02, 2016, 01:22:32 pm
Scouse Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 02, 2016, 01:31:02 pm
That's the one.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 02, 2016, 03:30:16 pm
Excellent! Have a go at this one....

"Back every other stroppy set at round." (5,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 02, 2016, 03:39:37 pm
Notts Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 02, 2016, 04:33:46 pm
That's the one so back to you Malc............
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 02, 2016, 05:33:01 pm
Reforge pony reforge. 4,3,4
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 02, 2016, 10:53:49 pm
Ogof Pen Eryr

- I wouldn't have known these were even words, let alone a cave, but apparently it is: http://www.ogof.org.uk/ogof-pen-eryr.html (http://www.ogof.org.uk/ogof-pen-eryr.html) :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 03, 2016, 07:07:32 am
Over to you
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 03, 2016, 08:23:06 pm
"Around winter in Paris, it's bad for roses"   (5,6,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 03, 2016, 09:25:00 pm
Black Shiver Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 03, 2016, 10:56:20 pm
 :clap2: that's the one! - take it away, Fulk!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 04, 2016, 11:55:54 am
Swan with unknown Belgian town to get it in the hole (9,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 04, 2016, 12:39:16 pm
Penyghent Pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 04, 2016, 01:58:19 pm
Penyghent Pot it is, crickleymal.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 04, 2016, 03:31:59 pm
Ok try this
Lenin's home rented containing the French going there and back around four cardinals.
8,4,7
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 04, 2016, 05:19:23 pm
Redhouse Lane Swallet (a fine clue, by the way . . . the 4 cardinals really threw me for a bit, and I had trouble trying to fit Gorki (Mansion) in).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 05, 2016, 08:37:44 am
Well done. I thought it would last longer than that.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 05, 2016, 10:55:51 am
Thank you (Lenin's home – Redhouse . . . a bit cheeky, huh?).  :)  Try this:

Object with canine entrance seen in a Yorkshire pot (3,4,5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 05, 2016, 05:56:16 pm
The Dog's Front Door?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 06, 2016, 09:27:26 am
That's right, grahams; I did wonder about this, as it doesn't appear in the description in NC 2 – you'd have to have read Underground Adventure to get it.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 07, 2016, 09:26:01 am
Thanks Fulk. I couldn't remember where I'd seen the phrase. For some reason I thought it referred to the connecting crawl to the Birks Fell 70's extensions but of course it's the great UA.

Here's another:

"Another 4 inches and this could have been called LP (6, 5, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 07, 2016, 09:37:47 am
In case anyone’s wondering the ‘The Dog’s Front Door’ refers to the start of the crawl below the second pitch in Little Hull Pot, where the original explores declared that the crawl ‘was like a dog’s front door, but half full of water’.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 08, 2016, 04:49:32 pm
Time for a clue - it's an EP which would have been an LP, given a bit more depth.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 08, 2016, 05:23:23 pm
I was trying to think along the lines of EPs and LPs, and given that an LP was 12 inches in diameter, all I could come up with was 'Eight Inch Pot' (which neither fits nor exists!).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 08, 2016, 06:07:23 pm
Think speed of rotation and PU.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 08, 2016, 06:52:24 pm
Well, 'Thirty three rpm' fits   ;D
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 08, 2016, 07:13:15 pm
Near - Mr. Thornber will help.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 09, 2016, 12:50:28 pm
Thirty Three Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 09, 2016, 03:51:48 pm
That's so close Crickleymal that it's hard to think of another hint but to move things along - we're in Kingsdale.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 09, 2016, 04:03:41 pm
Ha! Double Three Pot then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 09, 2016, 04:36:16 pm
That's the one Andys, the only cave the I know of that is named after its depth.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 09, 2016, 04:40:11 pm
Have a go at this then....

"Rigged tackle in, e.g., rectum!" (5,7,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 11, 2016, 10:45:32 am
Wot, not guesses! Further clue then - its in Derbyshire.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 11, 2016, 11:01:01 am
Is it a mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 11, 2016, 11:57:21 am
Is it a mine?

Yes, with some natural. But it has an alternative name which is the one more generally used nowadays - though this clue is to the name used in COD.
 though
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 11, 2016, 01:10:02 pm
Great Ectluck Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 11, 2016, 01:24:06 pm
Oh so close! But no cigar.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 11, 2016, 01:42:02 pm
Great Cucklet Mine (aka nickergrove)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 11, 2016, 03:10:45 pm
That's the one Graham - over to you.  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 11, 2016, 04:34:44 pm
Great Cucklet Mine?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 11, 2016, 04:40:45 pm
Funny - Grahams' answer and your reply didn't show up until I'd jumped in...  that's what comes of routing your internet via China, I suppose.   :(

Ah well - saves me having to rack my brains thinking up another clue of the required standard.   :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 11, 2016, 04:52:57 pm
I had no idea what the answer was but by a process of anagramming I arrive at Great Clucket Mine, not a million miles out.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 11, 2016, 04:54:55 pm
Funny - Grahams' answer and your reply didn't show up until I'd jumped in...  that's what comes of routing your internet via China, I suppose.   :(

Ah well - saves me having to rack my brains thinking up another clue of the required standard.   :)

I'm currently routed via the Netherlands.

Any road, try this:

"LA champ changes and gets to the sump (7, 7, 3)"

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 15, 2016, 10:28:46 am
Hint - solve the 7 letter anagram - the rest is easy.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 15, 2016, 09:22:48 pm
Funnily enough, I tried to anagramize (is that a word?) LA champ, but didn't get it . . . then the penny dropped:

                 Clapham Bottoms Pot

(PS – nice clue)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 15, 2016, 10:59:31 pm
How I missed that anagram beggars belief - I even live in Clapham!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 16, 2016, 08:45:50 am
Cheers Andys. Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 16, 2016, 09:00:57 am
or Fulk, huh?

Anyway, here's an easy one:

                                                    A posh place to wash the dishes?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 16, 2016, 09:03:13 am
Marble Sink?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 16, 2016, 09:49:14 am
Sorry Fulk - I have my daft head on today.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on November 16, 2016, 10:31:48 am
Correct, andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 16, 2016, 04:53:47 pm
Way hey! Try this one then...

"Old article about orange and calvados cocktail without Angelo."  (6,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 16, 2016, 05:01:57 pm
Looks as if it could be Yordas Cave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 16, 2016, 05:51:32 pm
8 mins - an excellent effort so over to you Roger!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 16, 2016, 07:02:48 pm
Good clue neatly contrived, that was.   :)

Now...

Sounds like a quick look to watch out for the Senior Service (4, 6)

See if that manages to last out for 8 minutes!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 16, 2016, 07:14:49 pm
Peak Cavern
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 16, 2016, 07:16:28 pm
Pah - beat me to it.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 16, 2016, 07:30:03 pm
By a minute and a half by the looks of it, Grahams!   :lol:

Over to you, Crickleymal!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 16, 2016, 08:33:32 pm
Bugger, free for all mixed up. 7,6
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on November 16, 2016, 08:48:03 pm
Gouffre Berger
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on November 16, 2016, 09:34:40 pm
It's all yours.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on November 16, 2016, 09:59:16 pm
Lengthy underground complex causes the teen scouts misery (5, 8, 6)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on November 16, 2016, 10:01:01 pm
Three Counties System
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on November 16, 2016, 10:37:36 pm
2 minutes - that's impressive.  Carry on . . .
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on November 16, 2016, 10:47:06 pm
Disorderly Glyn’s pony floats without steamship. (4, 4, 1, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 17, 2016, 12:04:28 am
Ogof Pant Y Llyn?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Caver Keith on November 17, 2016, 07:37:47 am
Yeah.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 17, 2016, 09:05:34 am
Have a go at this then..

"Named vertical stage skews awkwardly."  (4,9,6,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on November 19, 2016, 01:22:29 am
West Kingsdale Master Cave.

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 19, 2016, 09:16:48 am
That's the one Andy - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on November 19, 2016, 11:40:31 am
Try this little one -
Go backwards, not on Teutonic interjection (4, 4).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 19, 2016, 01:00:48 pm
Ogof Fach? (Is there one?)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on November 19, 2016, 02:21:18 pm
Ogof Fach it is.  That's the old (correct) name for what is commonly called Ogof Fechan.  The name was changed around 1970, under the mistaken impression that Fechan was the feminine form of Fach!

Over to you, Andy S.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 19, 2016, 03:22:53 pm
You learn something every day with this don't you? Anyway, have a go at....

"Ethnics resonate wildly in Munster" (2,10,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 21, 2016, 10:59:33 am
Further clue then?...

Self awareness is the way forward!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on November 21, 2016, 01:30:07 pm
Well, it's St Catherines One, but I thought I'd give someone else a chance . . .
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 21, 2016, 03:37:33 pm
Sure is - over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on November 21, 2016, 04:08:17 pm
The forest sprite makes an alternate entrance (12,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 21, 2016, 06:25:22 pm
Ha! Good un' - Fisherstreet Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andybrooks on November 21, 2016, 06:45:49 pm
You got it!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 21, 2016, 07:09:17 pm
Try this one then..

"Vicious kids pit laws about property rental." (6,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 23, 2016, 12:49:13 pm
..... its in Mendip!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 23, 2016, 06:52:33 pm
Sidcot Swallet?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 28, 2016, 04:43:48 pm
That's the one grahams - apologies for the delay!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 29, 2016, 08:42:34 am
Thanks Andys.

Here's another -

Steels back after poor gravity (6,4, cave)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 29, 2016, 09:24:13 am
Sleets gill?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on November 29, 2016, 09:57:06 am
That didn't last long. It's yours Roger.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 29, 2016, 05:01:59 pm
It can take longer to think'em up than to solve 'em!

Try:

Virginian analgesic loses easterly aspect (4, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 30, 2016, 02:50:20 pm
Odin Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on November 30, 2016, 04:07:47 pm
Got it, Andys!

Codeine was the stuff to ease the pain...

Over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 30, 2016, 04:31:28 pm
Here's another then.....

"Untidy coves use Whitewalls!"  (6,5,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 30, 2016, 05:21:45 pm
I think this must be Swevic House Swallet, of which I regret to say I have spent my entire life in ignorance!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on November 30, 2016, 06:02:50 pm
Spot on Jason - over to you. (And I don't know anything about the place either!)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 30, 2016, 07:14:46 pm
ok, try this - letter count will follow if no-one gets it in about 15 minutes....

Burrow of the Oomagooli bird ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on November 30, 2016, 09:30:52 pm
Knacker Trapper hole
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on November 30, 2016, 10:54:54 pm
Yes indeed !  :thumbsup:

I know it doesn't really work as a clue, and it's basically a terrible old joke, but I'd got bored with the anagrams...

Take it away, Harden
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 01, 2016, 07:15:37 am
Pinch THC
4,3
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 01, 2016, 07:51:52 am
Nick Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 01, 2016, 07:32:01 pm
 :)
That's the one.

Obviously too easy!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 01, 2016, 07:40:53 pm
Ta. Here's another -

Ask about commanding officers for the hole (6, 4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on December 01, 2016, 08:13:38 pm
Scoska cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 02, 2016, 08:21:42 am
That's the one Droid.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: droid on December 02, 2016, 06:56:04 pm
Have another go then, Graham. Brain is fried at the moment.....lol
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 02, 2016, 07:36:03 pm
I know that feeling. As I have nothing at present, the foor is open.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 03, 2016, 10:27:48 am
OK, here's an easy one to keep the ball rolling:

Old man is feeling good? (5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 04, 2016, 01:22:55 pm
Moses Well?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 04, 2016, 04:34:39 pm
Yes andys, Moses Well it is.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 04, 2016, 05:57:02 pm
Right then, have a go at this... shouldn't take long!

"Revealed - Aviva gang secrets!"    (6,5,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 04, 2016, 06:46:25 pm
Giant's Grave Caves ?


Another one that's new to me!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 05, 2016, 08:51:05 am
Indeed Jasonc - at the top end of Penyghent Gill. Over to you......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 05, 2016, 11:02:24 pm
Boat fastener's little girl-friend is a pretty feature  (8,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 06, 2016, 08:40:05 am
Painter's Pallete?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 06, 2016, 07:46:33 pm
Too easy huh?

Well done Graham, take it away :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 07, 2016, 12:09:21 pm
Luck rather than skill on my part, For some reason, out of all the thousands of UK's cave features, Painter's Pallete popped straight into my head.

Here's another -

"The descent of this might bring you face-to-face with bloodthirsty creatures (7, 4)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on December 07, 2016, 12:19:48 pm
At a complete guess Vampire Cave or Vampire Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 07, 2016, 01:11:04 pm
Slightly more subtle than that - this Dales cave is well known but little visited.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 07, 2016, 05:20:20 pm
Slasher Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 07, 2016, 06:41:51 pm
Good answer but not correct I'm afraid. It's hard to give a further clue wthout giving it away but think literary refs., of which there are two.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 08, 2016, 06:35:20 pm
OK, another clue - The Descent
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 09, 2016, 12:44:41 pm
All I can come up with is Crawleyside Pot - but the letters don't fit and its not exactly a "well known Dales cave"!  :-\
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 09, 2016, 12:54:29 pm
I think everyone is focussed on the bloodthirsty creatures. The literary refs to Descent (both the film and the current issue of the magazine) is the key.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 09, 2016, 02:47:16 pm
Boreham Cave? As in the film being a total bore!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 09, 2016, 03:24:58 pm
That's right :clap2: though for the wrong reason. The cave the girls were supposed to descend in the film was called Boreham Cave (one of those little thihgs that I seem to notice and retain in my weird head). Also, Boreham features in this month's Descent magazine. I thought the two refs made for a neat clue.

On second thoughts, you're quite right - The Descent was boring. I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 09, 2016, 04:55:03 pm
Ha! Good 'un. So see what you make of this....

"Lake district lake with a small amount of water - its a bit of a joke!"  (7,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on December 11, 2016, 02:17:04 pm
Assuming the letter count is 8, 4, Meregill Skit ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 11, 2016, 03:36:45 pm
That's it  - spot on despite my giving the wrong letter counts!  :spank:

Over to you......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on December 12, 2016, 12:05:47 am
Extended family on the map at 3 o'clock?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 12, 2016, 12:20:20 am
Got to be Long Kin East surely?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Bob G on December 12, 2016, 01:23:37 am
Thats the one. Back to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 12, 2016, 10:06:58 am
Here's another then...

"Crazy CE, however, ate cat!"  (11,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on December 12, 2016, 10:20:30 am
Extended family on the map at 3 o'clock?

I like that one.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: A_Northerner on December 12, 2016, 10:53:23 pm
Weathercote Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 12, 2016, 11:16:01 pm
Weathercote it is - over to you....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: A_Northerner on December 12, 2016, 11:52:29 pm
I'll give it a go - never written a cryptic clue before, I'll see if I can get the difficulty right!

"Become prostrate beside a bard without energy" (3-2,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 13, 2016, 08:42:55 am
Well, A_Northerner, I think you've cracked the cryptic bit; all I've got to do now is solve it!

(I like your 'bard without energy' for a new take on an old theme.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 13, 2016, 09:05:03 am
Lay-by Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 13, 2016, 09:10:55 am
Good clue ANortherner.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: A_Northerner on December 13, 2016, 02:12:12 pm
Lay-by Pot?

Correct! Over to yourself.

Good clue ANortherner.

Thanks very much grahams, I quite enjoyed it - hope I get another go!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 13, 2016, 02:39:59 pm
Note backward bog with beam and a funny side for a passage in a Dales cave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 13, 2016, 03:39:27 pm
Sorry – forgot the letter count; it's 5,8.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 14, 2016, 09:41:23 am
Maybe the clue's a bit convoluted, so here's a clue to the clue: The note is a musical note, and the bog's not the marshy variety.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 14, 2016, 10:38:27 am
Fool's Paradise?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 14, 2016, 11:21:52 am
Yep, grahams, Fools' Paradise it is.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 15, 2016, 08:37:42 am
Here's another -

Provided student with a variable resistor (5, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 15, 2016, 09:36:14 am
Gavel pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 15, 2016, 04:41:57 pm
That's it Roger - almost lasted an hour.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 15, 2016, 08:02:03 pm
Ooh!  Thinking time!

Might this weed be flagged up as pirated? (5, 4, 3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 17, 2016, 06:26:05 pm
Hi Roger W, two days and no attempts at solving your clue . . . time for a clue? (I had thought on the lines 'Roger something' [as in, e.g Roger Kirk Cave] on the ground that the Jolly Roger is the pirate flag, but I couldn't make anything fit.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 17, 2016, 06:37:40 pm
Hi Roger W, two days and no attempts at solving your clue . . . time for a clue? (I had thought on the lines 'Roger something' [as in, e.g Roger Kirk Cave] on the ground that the Jolly Roger is the pirate flag, but I couldn't make anything fit.)

Same here.  :smartass:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 17, 2016, 07:32:54 pm
It was men like Ned Teach who fought under the flag
Whose design marked them out as men to avoid.
But 'twas John who got lost and is linked to the (w)hole,
And under Leck Fell you may search for the void...

'Cos yes, looking it up, the place is also known as a hole... 

Aiyah!  Have also discovered I can't count!    :-[   :spank:  :chair:

It should be 6 4 3 or 6 4 4.

That should make it much easier!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 17, 2016, 08:48:46 pm
Death's Head Hole

Not so obscure.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 17, 2016, 09:01:14 pm
Correct!

Must remember to take my mittens off next time I count up the letters!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 17, 2016, 11:17:59 pm
Death's Head Hole

Not so obscure…..

Yeah . . . . when you've got the correct letter count. ;)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 18, 2016, 08:55:20 am
Letter count for this  feature will be precise, have better than ± 15% accuracy and be reproducible...  ;)

Strike all of it complete without tungsten.   4,4

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 19, 2016, 11:57:44 pm
Echo Hole? - Though not very convinced as to where the Echo bit comes from?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 20, 2016, 09:45:58 am
Your right not to be convinced about Echo.
It is a well known feature.

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 20, 2016, 02:21:49 pm
Blow Hole then?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 20, 2016, 06:14:10 pm
That's it.

Away you go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 20, 2016, 06:42:53 pm
Better see if I can get the letter counts right this time then!

"Regatta ploughs into chaos without us." (4,5,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 20, 2016, 07:06:18 pm
Gale Garth Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 21, 2016, 12:24:29 am
That's the badger - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 21, 2016, 08:53:13 am
Thanks.

"Herdwick origami?" (9, Cave)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 21, 2016, 09:45:07 am
I tried for a while to rearrange "Herdwick" to get 9 letters, but without success...

There is a Sheepfold Cave at SD 6760 8060.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 21, 2016, 09:57:24 am
Sheepfold it is - ewe are correct Roger.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 21, 2016, 10:27:15 am
Sheepfold Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 21, 2016, 08:09:16 pm
Sheepfold cave -

 "SHEEPFOLD CAVE NGR SD 6760 8060  Alt 319m  Length 40m

Situated at the back of the prominent sheepfold upstream of and on the opposite bank of SWINDON HOLE . A dry crawl to the stream in a 1.2m high passage to a junction. Right is sideways going for 18m to a shingle choke. To the left is an inlet, which is an awkward struggle to a small waterfall where it was possible to emerge beneath a huge boulder at the sink higher up the fell (Now blocked)."

http://www.rrcpc.org.uk/easegill/text/minor.htm (http://www.rrcpc.org.uk/easegill/text/minor.htm)

It's been a hard day putting up Christmas decorations for when the grandchildren arrive  -  but:

"runs naked to the grass"  (7, 3)

That shouldn't last longer than half an hour... if that!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on December 22, 2016, 06:55:46 am
Ooh, one I can guess at. Streaks Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on December 22, 2016, 12:20:45 pm
Yea, well guessed!

Your turn now,with all appropriate greetings for the festive season.

Happy Christmas, everyone.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on December 22, 2016, 12:42:40 pm
Adolf's crew's mood changes when they see it. (5,2,8)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 22, 2016, 01:36:50 pm
Sword of Damocles?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on December 22, 2016, 01:41:44 pm
Yup
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 22, 2016, 02:11:43 pm
A submariner, with what sounds like a not very heavy Welsh dish around right, identifies this feature of a northern pot (9 (95% CI, 7–8), 5 (95% CI, 4–6)).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 22, 2016, 03:37:39 pm
Presumably most people miscount / misspell the answer....?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 22, 2016, 04:06:23 pm
No, HardenClimber3, I'm just taking the piss. (No offence meant, Roger : ) )
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 22, 2016, 04:14:42 pm
amphibian crawl then 
(I did wonder if it might be spelt amfibian, but not even Americans would do that)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 22, 2016, 04:16:28 pm
Nice try, but not good enough.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 22, 2016, 10:50:38 pm
And if you need another clue, it's vaguely seasonal!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 23, 2016, 10:45:39 am
Booth-Parson's Crawl?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 23, 2016, 10:53:24 am
Not B-P Crawl.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 23, 2016, 11:57:11 am
Anemolite Crawl?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 23, 2016, 12:09:01 pm
Anemolite Crawl it is, andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 23, 2016, 12:40:12 pm
I managed to think of 'Nemo' for the submariner (are there others??)  but was stymied by my total ignorance of Anemolite crawl...

Still, googling it led to a good trip report: http://www.shefcavers.org.uk/2016/12/05/grange-rigg-to-christmas-pot-a-report-from-behind-enemy-lines/ (http://www.shefcavers.org.uk/2016/12/05/grange-rigg-to-christmas-pot-a-report-from-behind-enemy-lines/) so that's fine :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 23, 2016, 12:56:20 pm
Here we go then.....

"One-off evening service to Pontefract Tanshelf station."  (6,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 23, 2016, 02:10:02 pm
vesper pot
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 23, 2016, 05:16:40 pm
Thats the one - over to you! :-)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 23, 2016, 06:20:58 pm
OK, andys, I 'get' the 'evening service' – but what on Earth has it got to do with 'Pontefract Tanshelf station'? (I even duckduckgo'ed (or should that be duckduckwent?) it in search of enlightenment, but failed in my quest – though I was intrigued to see that a relatively small town has 3 railway stations.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 23, 2016, 07:26:15 pm
OK, andys, I 'get' the 'evening service' – but what on Earth has it got to do with 'Pontefract Tanshelf station'? (I even duckduckgo'ed (or should that be duckduckwent?) it in search of enlightenment, but failed in my quest – though I was intrigued to see that a relatively small town has 3 railway stations.)

.. the station code for Pontefract Tanshelf is POT - and I'd run out of other ideas for how to cryptificate such a frequent word in the answers!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 23, 2016, 09:13:35 pm
Part of a Yorkshire cave:
Advertising carbonated drinks before beer, then a jug without the Queen.  5,5
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 23, 2016, 11:55:51 pm
Shale Pitch (as in Birks Fell)?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 24, 2016, 10:49:32 am
That's the one.

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 24, 2016, 11:40:21 am
Festive one then....

"Wow! Santa, berries and all - but Ada ignored in the arrangements."   (4,7,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 24, 2016, 12:16:04 pm
Nine Barrows Swallet.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 24, 2016, 12:31:25 pm
Too easy then! Looks like the Xmas Cryptic is over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 24, 2016, 01:17:15 pm
Throwing round the French's large hirsute right features in a Mendip cave (7,5,5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 25, 2016, 08:25:20 am
No takers yet? Well, think of a word for 'throwing' and try wrapping its letter round the rest of the clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 26, 2016, 04:57:11 pm
Castles Great Hairy Ring (presumably, not suitable for minors!!!) ?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 26, 2016, 10:49:34 pm
Correct, andys
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 27, 2016, 08:26:54 am
Ok then, try -

"Could be that he hands out judgements in rhyme in a Dales cave."  (6,7)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 27, 2016, 09:02:07 am
Poetic Justice?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 27, 2016, 11:16:28 am
That's the one!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 27, 2016, 04:18:35 pm
Thanks. Here's another -

"These sound like they will help your digestion to cope will too much Christmas spirit (3, 10)"

(Well known feature of a Dales cave).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 27, 2016, 04:45:21 pm
Ha! The colon aids! aka The Colonades?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: HardenClimber3 on December 27, 2016, 04:46:15 pm
The Colon n ades
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 27, 2016, 05:31:18 pm
Indeed it is Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 28, 2016, 09:22:02 am
"Realignment of all ravage accepted alternative name for well known Dales cave."  (8,5,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 28, 2016, 01:00:30 pm
Clapdale Great Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on December 28, 2016, 03:07:15 pm
That's the one - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 28, 2016, 04:15:39 pm
Thanks.

"Snicker not at this place (4, 3, 3, 8, 6)" - a famous Dales cave location.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 28, 2016, 08:42:11 pm
Would that be "Near and far marathon crawls" ?  Just been reading about Mossdale in the RRCPC journal....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 29, 2016, 08:29:58 am
That's the place JasonC - over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 29, 2016, 04:29:35 pm
ok...

Sounds like a contender for a MOBO award under Chapel-le-Dale  (5,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 29, 2016, 11:16:57 pm
What's a MOBO?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Laurie on December 29, 2016, 11:54:36 pm
A racist award.... ::)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 30, 2016, 09:19:49 am
What's a MOBO?

Duck Duck Go is your friend.....  ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOBO_Awards (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOBO_Awards)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 30, 2016, 04:46:39 pm
I was blissfully unaware of the existence of Mobo but Raven Way, Tatham Wife Hole is the only cave or feature that fits the word count that I can find so a bit of a guess I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 30, 2016, 05:00:59 pm
I thought that the Raven Way was in Black Shiver Pot.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 30, 2016, 07:58:25 pm
Not Raven Way - a little less tangential (IMO) - but Fulk is warm....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on December 30, 2016, 09:17:15 pm
Blood Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 30, 2016, 11:26:49 pm
Hot, hot, hot.... but not there yet
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on December 31, 2016, 09:22:00 am
Black Dub? (dub being a musical style).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: JasonC on December 31, 2016, 10:52:22 am
 :clap2:  :clap2:
That's the one Graham - Dub being a derivative of reggae, I always thought "Black Dub" sounded like it could be sub-genre and thus eligible for a Music Of Black Origin award.  But I guess it's a bit of a tautology, presumably most Dubbists (if that's a word) are black.

Anyway... take it away !
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 01, 2017, 08:58:51 am
Thanks JasonC.
Happy new year to all the Cryptic Caves players.


"Dead hinds resurrecting (4, 5, 7)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 04, 2017, 06:25:32 pm
Time for a clue - there are two of these in the eastern Dales NW and SE.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 04, 2017, 06:49:15 pm
Nidd heads risings?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 04, 2017, 07:26:22 pm
They're the ones Crickleymal.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 05, 2017, 10:44:38 am
Sounds like he disapproves when complete. 7,4
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: CavingPig on January 05, 2017, 11:18:06 am
Is it Haytime Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 05, 2017, 03:12:04 pm
Is it Haytime Hole?

Nope
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 06, 2017, 03:05:08 pm
This is an aural clue
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 07, 2017, 03:04:20 pm
Another clue, what do you say if you disapprove of something?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 07, 2017, 04:36:09 pm
Another clue, what do you say if you disapprove of something?

...depends if its the Mrs or someone more interesting!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on January 07, 2017, 07:34:39 pm
Hissing Hole? - if there is such a place!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 08, 2017, 10:25:46 am
Nope. CNCC lists it
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 08, 2017, 11:01:12 am
A well-wisher* sent my wife a message saying: 'Tell Fulk it must be Tutman's Hole'. So, here we go:

Tutman's Hole?

*Maybe he could be arced to hunk up the next clue ;).

Bloody spell-checker – I tried to write 'Maybe he couldn't be arsed to think up the next clue' and it comes out as 'Maybe he could be arced to hunk up the next clue'.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 08, 2017, 03:20:15 pm
That's it. Over to whoever. :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 08, 2017, 07:53:59 pm
OK Rob, since you ain't gonna do it, how about:

Jealous, bedded saint around post office (5,5,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on January 08, 2017, 08:48:59 pm
Green Laids Pot - maybe?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 08, 2017, 10:29:43 pm
Well done, Trogger . . . I thought it'd last more than 55 minutes!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on January 09, 2017, 11:32:37 am
Here's a quickie:  If you're fired-up you'll enjoy this one! (5,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 10, 2017, 10:17:17 am
Titan Shaft?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on January 10, 2017, 11:15:43 am
Right idea but wrong area.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on January 10, 2017, 11:42:46 am
Arson Shaft?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on January 10, 2017, 11:51:04 am
Spot on Kevlar - over to you!  It's in the Ease Gill Magic Roundabout area.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on January 10, 2017, 12:48:36 pm
Sounds like the drummer's pounding has shown the way to go.

(4,5)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 13, 2017, 09:22:12 am
All I can come up with is "Beat Route" - and I'm not sure that even exists! Maybe time for another clue Kevlar - like cave or feature, Dales or Wales or whatever?  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on January 13, 2017, 09:46:19 am
What you've come up with would be right!
It's in the Goyden system :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on January 13, 2017, 09:53:14 am
Sounds more like a root vegetable to me.  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 13, 2017, 10:26:05 am
Well you learn something every day on here - and Goyden was my first ever cave!

"Headless badger and French dressing running over parsnips starters." (6,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on January 16, 2017, 07:02:44 pm
Maybe Rocket Drop?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 16, 2017, 09:02:15 pm
That's the one Trogger - your go!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 16, 2017, 10:39:55 pm
Nice clue.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on January 16, 2017, 11:19:17 pm
This shouldn't last long:  Father loses a letter, but still sounds intact  (4,4).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 17, 2017, 09:39:01 am
Pate hole cave?

Up near Asby Gill, I believe.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on January 17, 2017, 07:21:59 pm
Pate Hole - correct sir, all yours!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 17, 2017, 07:46:04 pm
Thank you, sir!

Now, somewhere underground...

Where I live?  Precipitation within!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on January 18, 2017, 12:41:40 am
Hrai nome
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 18, 2017, 09:27:04 am
Hrai nome?  Don't know that one...

You're thinking along the right lines, but it's where I live.

Letter count:  5, 5, 5
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on January 18, 2017, 10:46:19 am
Well that'll be Roger Rains House won't it?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on January 18, 2017, 10:49:10 am
It is!

Over to you...
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on January 18, 2017, 11:38:51 am
Give up after the mixed up mumblings of ruminants.

(4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 18, 2017, 03:38:04 pm
Smoo Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Kevlar on January 18, 2017, 04:30:39 pm
That'll be it. Your turn :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 18, 2017, 04:42:23 pm
Thankee! Try this Dales cave then....

"Ruined by apes in underground development." (7,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 22, 2017, 03:14:41 pm
Time for a further clue methinks - its a rarely visited grade 3 on the flanks of Ingleborough.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2017, 04:15:32 pm
Rosebay Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 22, 2017, 06:23:27 pm
That's the badger - over to you!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2017, 06:44:24 pm
Sounds like a beginner changes Ms Stoop (5,4,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 22, 2017, 07:02:05 pm
Is it Newby Moss Pot - just along the hill from the last one?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 22, 2017, 07:24:41 pm
Lasted all of 18 mins. It's yours Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 23, 2017, 08:19:05 am
OK, try this cave....

"Sea south of Fastnet filled with variable wet weather." (10,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fred on January 23, 2017, 10:21:35 am
Sweetwater Hole one presumes.

(Apologies but if correct I'm no good at setting clues so over to anyone else for a go)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 23, 2017, 10:54:44 am
Thats the one Fred - but over to someone else as you don't want your go.  :beer2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on January 23, 2017, 02:22:58 pm
Court Sir David Frost's viewing point (6,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 24, 2017, 04:24:54 pm
Wookey Hole?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on January 24, 2017, 04:41:35 pm
 :clap2:

Got it, though is it David Frost or Lloyd Grossman?

And also, as one clue section goes across two words, would you use a question mark?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 24, 2017, 04:48:54 pm
:clap2:

Got it, though is it David Frost or Lloyd Grossman?

And also, as one clue section goes across two words, would you use a question mark?

Yes, 'twas Frost and, no, no need for a question mark in my opinion.  :)

Try this one then......

"Five parallel lines hold as rocket explodes." (4,5,4)

Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 26, 2017, 03:55:17 pm
... further clue then? Its NC2 again......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on January 26, 2017, 04:12:50 pm
Five parallel lines?  A stave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 26, 2017, 07:57:04 pm
Five parallel lines?  A stave?

.... keep going - you're on your way  :) ......
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on January 27, 2017, 06:50:03 pm
Stot Rakes Cave
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on January 29, 2017, 02:15:23 pm
.... that's the one! Over to you.....
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on January 30, 2017, 11:39:33 pm
Sounds like Frankenstein's assistant might not be allowed in here. (3,1,3)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on January 31, 2017, 08:30:25 am
Ban-y-Gor?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on January 31, 2017, 08:35:34 pm
Well done sir; over to you.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 01, 2017, 06:03:33 pm
Thankee

Warning - groaner:

"Thith ith what you might get if you don't opt to wear protection in long crawlth (7, 3)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 01, 2017, 07:10:10 pm
Lisper's Leg? Thurely not!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 01, 2017, 07:12:57 pm
Thore kneeth?

(Oh, sorry, I just spotted the letter count.)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 01, 2017, 07:43:50 pm
You're so close Fulk.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 01, 2017, 11:05:59 pm
Thorney Pot?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 02, 2017, 08:19:04 am
That's the one Fulk. I'll get me coat.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fulk on February 02, 2017, 09:23:19 am
Cheers, grahams. As it happens I'm off on holiday tomorrow, so I'll throw the next clue open to anyone to have a go.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on February 02, 2017, 10:35:06 am
Fills hole with bric-a-brac. (8,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on February 03, 2017, 05:36:45 pm
Anybody?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 04, 2017, 09:29:46 am
Methinks an area/book clue might be needed!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on February 04, 2017, 04:11:07 pm
A clue for the first word.
Speaks, following about fifty.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 04, 2017, 04:39:52 pm
Clutters Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Greg Jones on February 05, 2017, 12:46:22 am
Well done; back to you sir. :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 06, 2017, 11:16:33 am
Thanks Ship-badger

"Sounds like a kettle drum after a dovetail (7, 5)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 06, 2017, 03:52:49 pm
Timpony Joint?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 06, 2017, 04:41:15 pm
That's the one Andys.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 06, 2017, 05:00:22 pm
Onwards, with a rugby "Six Nations" theme then......

"Backs give in. Scrummage!"  (3,4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 06, 2017, 07:41:54 pm
Big Sink Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 07, 2017, 12:16:37 am
Yep!  :)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 07, 2017, 08:13:48 pm
Lascars seeming perturbed here. 4,6,4
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: crickleymal on February 09, 2017, 08:23:50 am
Clue?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Fred on February 09, 2017, 11:13:33 am
Miss Graces Lane

(it also anagrams to "creaming lasses" so perhaps the Miss Graces were milkmaids ?)

Sorry no clue from me again, so open to all.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 09, 2017, 03:54:03 pm
Donald Trumps plate smashing gave in (8,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 10, 2017, 01:27:08 pm
Donald Trumps plate smashing gave in (8,4)

NC1
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 10, 2017, 03:42:25 pm
Crackpot Cave?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 10, 2017, 04:52:11 pm
 :clap2:

Over to you
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 10, 2017, 07:27:25 pm
Ta. Here's another -

"Willing hock rescheduled for this promising Dales dig (3, 4, 4)"
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 10, 2017, 10:02:41 pm
Im going to have a stab at How Gill Sink?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 11, 2017, 09:47:56 am
That's the one Ian. Also known as How Gill Nick.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 11, 2017, 10:41:43 am
 :thumbsup:

Chink chink (4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 11, 2017, 07:17:04 pm
Slit Sink?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 11, 2017, 07:27:43 pm
Afraid not
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 13, 2017, 02:30:50 pm
It's in NC2 and not a cave.
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 18, 2017, 12:02:01 am
Needs a 24m rope
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 18, 2017, 02:19:05 pm
Echo Rift?
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: ianball11 on February 18, 2017, 05:24:25 pm
 :thumbsup:

Thanks Andy, was getting desperate there!  Was quite chuffed with that one :-(
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: grahams on February 19, 2017, 09:09:26 am
Good clue Ian - keep 'em coming. :clap2:
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 19, 2017, 09:42:46 am
Try this then....

"Call the French before cancelling all VATable exports initially."  (6,4,4)
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Trogger on February 19, 2017, 01:43:38 pm
Ringle Mill Cave?  (though I don't know where the Mill bit comes from).
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: andys on February 19, 2017, 03:01:05 pm
That's the one - and my fault for omitting the word "factory" from the middle of the clue!
Title: Re: Cryptic caves
Post by: Roger W on February 19, 2017, 07:08:48 pm<