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Title: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: bubba on October 26, 2007, 07:57:17 pm

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Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on December 31, 2007, 10:56:44 am
P8 high level route from 'First Pitch' to 'Alternative Second Pitch' (also known as 'Old Iron Ladder Pitch'.)

There's a traverse that can be rigged on Spits and Natural connecting P8's First Pitch with the Alternative Second pitch. Was in there yesterday and the two Spits that protect the step across the passage are knackered. Bolts will screw into them but as you expect them to go tight they loosen off and just keep spinning. Shame cos they were handy for novices.

Cheers,
Jules.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: mudmonkey on February 17, 2008, 06:54:49 pm
Mods - this can be removed once someone's next been down - short-term relevance only!

Coming out of JH late last night, de-rigging Bitch Pitch, the rope snagged and there followed a fairly significant series of rumbles and bangs. I think I may have dislodged one of the sets of stacked deads; so please keep an eye out for any extra bits of loose rock.

If you go down and find it's all fine and dandy, please post here so's people know it's not been made worse.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Darkstar on February 28, 2008, 09:25:46 am
Was in JH at the weekend (24th Feb) and all was fine and dandy on Bitch Pitch and everywhere else. 
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Les W on February 29, 2008, 06:56:18 pm
Thought I heard an account of loose rocks being kicked down onto people on Bitch Pitch during your trip.  :-\
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Darkstar on March 25, 2008, 01:28:22 pm
It was only one small rock and the others who had been there before said it was no worse than usual.  There was no evidence of a recent large fall.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Brains on March 28, 2008, 12:59:09 pm
Just inside Wapping Mine entrance - about 5m in - a block has fallen from the right hand wall as you go in. It has come from about 3 or 4m up the wall from just above a toadstone wayboard and is about 1m x 1m x 0.5m. It is on the usual path past/over the collapsed timbered level and is recognisable by the large amount of toadstone clay on it and around it. Looks like there is another big flake/block cracking away from under the wayboard in the same place. Needs poking with a big iron bar... :-\ Any locals with an engineering eye care to give it a glance and a second opinion?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: mmilner on March 31, 2008, 11:29:02 pm
Hi all.

Have been wondering whether to post something about this since our trip and have finally decided it might save someone some bother...

On 9/3/2008, Darfar P.C. went down Knotlow intending to do the round trip via Crimbo Pipe and East Level. Water levels were higher than normal so I was prepared to turn around if things became too aqueous! Anyway, part way along Crimbo Pipe, (prob. just before the waterfall), where it pops out into the base of a rift, the way on at stream level was found to be blocked with boulders sufficiently that I had to spend several minutes moving them out of the way to make it possible to even get through. (Could have been the recent earth movements.) Our smallest member then went through and declared there to not be enough air space to continue, though we could clearly hear a waterfall beyond.

Now it's been a long time since I was last in this bit of Knotlow, but the boulders must have been causing the water to back up more than was normal before.

To cap all this off, a sizeable rock then (without warning) fell out of the roof and hit first mine, then two other members helmets in turn, leaving one with a cut forehead. I couldn't see the state of the roof due to the water vapour, so can't report on what it looks like, but needless to say we got out of there very quickly!

SO, if you go up there in the near future, basically take extra care, and be prepared to not be able to make the round trip. (At least not without some digging and redistribution of boulders!)

Cheers,
Martin.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on May 30, 2008, 09:01:43 am
Message from Chris Broome (DCA)

DO NOT DESCEND LONG RAKE MINE, BRADWELL MOOR UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE

On the weekend of 24/25 May 2008 two cavers were taken seriously ill with Carbon Monoxide poisoning in Long Rake Mine on Bradwell Moor. The source of the Carbon Monoxide is not known and DCA are advising that cavers should not descend Long Rake until further notice.

http://www.thedca.org.uk/

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: MarkC on October 14, 2008, 09:41:33 pm
As part of my ongoing DCA audit of Stoney Middleton Dale I have put a warnings section of the Chesterfield Caving Club website.  Current entries relate to:

- Streaks Pot
- Nickergrove Mine
- Merlin Mine
- Carlswark Cavern

http://chesterfieldcavingclub.org.uk/news.html (http://chesterfieldcavingclub.org.uk/news.html) 

I will endeavor to keep this as up-to-date as possible, so please let me know of any specific issues relating to the Dale which you feel cavers/the DCA should be made aware.

Mark C
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Jenny P on December 10, 2008, 06:12:45 pm
DCA has just received a report of quite bad CO2 problems in Nettle Pot in the Dratsab area below Beza and Crumble Shafts. 

If you do visit this area of Nettle, be wary and be ready to turn back if you find yourself being affected - shortness of breath, headache, puffing and panting and general feeling grotty are the standard symptoms.

Please would clubs warn their members about this one.


Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: shotlighter on December 10, 2008, 10:50:16 pm
DCA has just received a report of quite bad CO2 problems in Nettle Pot in the Dratsab area below Beza and Crumble Shafts.  

If you do visit this area of Nettle, be wary and be ready to turn back if you find yourself being affected - shortness of breath, headache, puffing and panting and general feeling grotty are the standard symptoms.

Please would clubs warn their members about this one.



Bit behind the times there Jenny - it was reported on here on Oct 2nd!
http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php/topic,7089.0.html (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php/topic,7089.0.html)
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: caving_fox on December 27, 2008, 04:42:48 pm
I think this is probably the best place to put this:

Streaks Pot.

Unless we were in completely the wrong place, the Lower Entrance has collapsed! There are still two oil drums, both very very rusty and full of holes. A very careful descent of these found the base to be completely choked with loose rock. You can feel it still settling as your weight lands on it. Attemting to climb out of the oil drums was interesting  :o with small rocks falling out of the holes in the drums. The drums themselves also are not very secure the whole lot could come down/in around you very very easily. Do NOT attempt the through trip from the Upper Entrance!


I'll put a full trip report up later.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JonP on December 28, 2008, 11:23:57 pm
we had a good look at Streaks lower entrance on 26/12/08 after speaking to two guys who said it had collapsed!

it looks OK to us, you could still get through.

Streaks lower entrance only has 1 x 3/4 length barrel (about a 6-7 foot drop in total then a crawl under) are you sure you wasn't looking at Sunday mine? 4 oil drum entrance shaft...pretty unstable!?

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: caving_fox on December 29, 2008, 11:59:17 am
Hi Jon, might well have been us you were talking to!

Yep about a 6' drop, definetly wasn't a 4 barrel entrance. Are there any others it could have been?  Maybe Neil was just being a complete wuss then, as he was down first and based on his account I only looked without climbing in. But thoses drums looked very ropey to me, and didn't see any gap to crawl through.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Mark on December 29, 2008, 06:03:16 pm
Jon

Have you got any of the Flower Pot blue pipe left, would it fit inside the oil drums before they do eventually collapse?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: SamT on December 30, 2008, 02:16:03 pm

caving_fox..

I strongly suspect you are at the wrong hole, there is another oil drum lined entrance not far from the streaks entrance (I think it may be called Sunday mine - but not sure). Its only a matter of 20 or 30 yards away, and is just down dale.

Pretty sure streaks would be OK.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Katie on December 30, 2008, 03:40:44 pm
Could you discribe where the lower entrance you found was?
I was driving past Streaks today so went to have a look.
I didn't have a torch with me but climbed in the entrance and thought it looked the same as normal. However didn't go beyond daylight if that was where you found the collapse?
Katie
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: caving_fox on December 30, 2008, 04:38:55 pm
Sounds like we were in the wrong place then.

Not easy to describe, from the road going up as you leave the road there is a road sign and a felled tree, and a small path that goes through a fallen tree, up a steepish bank to arrive at a sort of dell with the drums in the middle. Maybe 10-15 m from the road. If we were at Sunday mine it certainly isn't 4 drums deep now.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Katie on December 30, 2008, 09:04:37 pm
Hmm, sounds like you were in the wrong place! Steaks lower entrance is about 7m from the road - it is the entrance clearly visible from the road, covered by a bit of wriggly tin type stuff - Maybe 100m down dale from the 'Max 30 mph - Sharp corner' sign.
However I don't know what you found instead!!!
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Hanging Death on January 17, 2009, 12:28:11 am
Knotlow 210' Engine Shaft Rebelay Loose Bolts

Noticed today that the rebelay at the end of Chain Passage:-
The resin bolt rotates in the rock more than it should - have emailed the DCA.
The non-resin bolt is loose, the hanger rotates when it shouldn't!

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on January 18, 2009, 07:47:02 am
Knotlow 210' Engine Shaft Rebelay Loose Bolts
The resin bolt rotates in the rock more than it should - have emailed the DCA.
Hi, thanks very much for your note. Someone will nip in and have a look. Please don't use this anchor until further notice.

The non-resin bolt is loose, the hanger rotates when it shouldn't!
I can't remember what sort of anchor this is (8mm Spit, Petzl P38 etc.) Anyone know? Just wondering whether it's likely to be threads knackered inside the Spit/bolt needs tightening inside the Spit/nut holding the hanger in position needs tightening etc.

Jules Barrett.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Hanging Death on January 18, 2009, 10:15:44 am
Replied to your email Jules. The non-resin bolt is an expansion anchor and probably just wants the nut tightening - didn't have a spanner with us. Cheers.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on January 29, 2009, 02:03:03 pm
Knotlow 210' Engine Shaft Rebelay Loose Bolts

Noticed today that the rebelay at the end of Chain Passage:-
The resin bolt rotates in the rock more than it should - have emailed the DCA.

This anchor is a Fixe resin anchor. It was installed by persons unknown and is NOT an eco-anchor placed under the DCA anchor scheme. There is currently a small amount of movement (~1mm) in the anchor. Good rigging should ensure that the load is shared between more than one of the available anchors. DCA have no immediate plans to remove/replace this anchor.

The non-resin bolt is loose, the hanger rotates when it shouldn't!

The nut holding the hanger plate in place on the expansion anchor has been tightened up. Also another Nylock nut has been added so that should sort the problem of the loose hanger plate.

Thanks again for reporting the anchors. Good to see that cavers are giving those anchors a twist rather than trusting them implicitly :thumbsup:

Jules Barrett, DCA
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Brains on February 02, 2009, 04:44:11 pm
Ditzy and I were in Wapping Mine this morning. We were on the entrance level but at the back end of the mine. I was in a small heading and Kim was in an enlargement on the main level when we both heard and felt a long loud rumble that seemed to be between us and the entrance. We abandoned our plans for further exploration and exited the mine, but on the way out we failed to see any indication of the collapse. Wherever it is, it sounded BIG so be careful if you are planning a visit.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: braveduck on February 02, 2009, 05:21:19 pm
It was probebly an earthquake.There is nothing on the BGS  British earthquake list yet ,but I will keep checking.
Did you hear a second rumble or did you come out too soon?Do you know the approx time?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: ditzy on February 02, 2009, 05:58:21 pm
bri only heard a noise for a few seconds like falling rocks. i heard the noice for about 5 seconds+ but it was echoing.
brio didnt feel any vibrations in the floor but i was in a diffrent part of the mine to him and i was sat on the floor!
i felt a strond vibration go past me. im not too sure if the vibration started or if the noise started first.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Brains on February 02, 2009, 07:31:07 pm
Gussing it was about 12 - 12.30 ish, back and changed by 1300. Felt earth tremors before and it felt more like a collapse...
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: braveduck on February 02, 2009, 08:29:42 pm
OK,may be a collapse,but will keep checking the earthquake web site.
They are not posted up same day allways.
The train like sound does indicate a quake through.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Keith L on February 02, 2009, 10:38:07 pm
I live about a crow-flies mile from Wapping/Cumberland, near High Tor and the Bacon Rake that I think Wapping is on. I wasn't aware of anything around that time, if it was a quake I could have missed it or it could have been local to Wapping.

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Brains on February 03, 2009, 05:54:28 pm
A_R has posted this on Mine-explorer in respnse to Ditzys posting of this collapse...

Quote
As I've posted over on AN I'm pretty sure this was actually a collapse happening in the nearby Royal-Hopping-Tear Breeches mine complex, which is extremely unstable and has seen people killed in it in the past through falling rocks, hence why it's now completely off-limits.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JasonL on February 15, 2009, 11:25:35 am
Nettle pot, from the bottom of Beza, through the crawl and handline to red river passage

It was rather odd.. We haven't read about the bad air in the Descent yet, and we went down, but we were warned by Martin that there was abit of bad air down there. Went down with carbide, and my light became REALLY DIM. The flame was like 1cm or something. Still had loads of rock/water. Walking through from the short squeeze to red river passage was, very odd.. could hardly breathe, and felt like a 23 year old geriatric. Other memebers in the party (from TSG/CUCC as well) complained of similar air gasping experiences. Take heed!!

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: shotlighter on February 15, 2009, 02:03:19 pm
Also bear in mind that carbide lamps will burn in O2 concentrations that won't support combustion of say a candle. There's a double whammy here, in this condition, the combustion produces carbon monoxide.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: marysboy on March 16, 2009, 05:00:35 pm
Titan - loose anchors

Not much of a post but here goes:

In Titan yesterday, I noticed a couple of loose nuts on the stud-type anchors.  I had a normal 13mm spanner with me but this is much too small so could only do them up hand-tight.  They are:

On approach to the window at head of main shaft: 2nd anchor.
At event horizon rebelay: 3rd from left.

If anyone's going in soon it may be worth taking an adjustable spanner and nipping them up properly.  I noticed neither of the loose nuts were nylon locknuts as found elsewhere in Titan.

Ian.

Ps to mods - would it be worth tidying this thread a little, there's a lot of discussion (?).
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on March 22, 2009, 05:04:36 pm
Jug Holes instability

Copied from Hitch n' Hike's info site http://www.peakdistrictcaving.info/cavenews.htm (http://www.peakdistrictcaving.info/cavenews.htm)

"Jug Holes: Small rock fall
Report From: Daryl Godfrey / Adam Evans.
Report Date: 13/03/2009.
Published: 21/03/2009.

I was telephoned by Richard Saunders and John Buckle (local cavers) to inform me that a large boulder " the size of a football" had fallen down the upper entrance (climbable shaft) while they were exiting today (Friday 13th - Superstition - optional). Some moments later - I received another telephone call from Gary Noble at Derbyshire Youth Service to ask the procedure for reporting 'Dangerous Ground' Gary had observed a large fracture and obvious destabilsation extendeing back to the large boulder yesterday ( Thursday 12th). Gary noted the that it looked likely that it was ready to subside. Evidently he was correct! It is now obvious that this area of 'Jug Holes Lower' is in need of some attention / investigation. It is perhaps prudent to give this site a wide birth for the time being until DCA / PICA have investigated and either given assurances or untertaken the necessary work to stabilse this problem."
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Jenny P on March 29, 2009, 05:26:37 pm
For your information, I have circulated the following message to all DCA clubs:

Long Rake Mine, Youlgreave - Danger!

Some cavers recently visited this mine and found it full of fumes, almost certainly from an engine working on the surface.  Please note that this mine is part of a working site on private land and there is no agreed access while this is so. You are urged to ensure that all cavers are made aware of the situation.

Jenny Potts,
Hon. Sec. DCA
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Iain Barker on April 03, 2009, 05:51:09 pm
Long Rake (Derbyshire Aggregates) are now aware of illegal trips into thier mine thanks to posts on this site. As Access Officer for DCA I've got to sort this out; cheers all. Just to make it abundantly clear -

LONG RAKE IS A WORKING SITE AND ACCESS IS FORBIDDEN. A TRIP INTO THIS MINE CONSTITUTES AN ILLEGAL ACT AND DCA DOES NOT CONDONE ANY SUCH ACTIVITIES

If someone gets hurt down there,  every landowner who (after much trouble and negotiation from DCA) grants us access to the caves and mines on thier land will shut them with immediate effect, it's what they're waiting for.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on April 24, 2009, 08:36:49 pm
P8 - LARGE ROCK MOVEMENT BELOW FAR FLATS PITCH / ABOVE STREAMWAY

This afternoon myself and a friend were up in the Flats area of P8 and as we made our way through the tight crawly/climb down to the far (Flats?) pitch I noticed a couple of breeze-block sized rocks moving underfoot. We shifted those back to a safe place but, as we rolled the last one off, the rock I was stood on began to sink and rolled off down towards the streamway (cue the need for new pants). This rock was about a metre across and is similar in size to a large 4x4 tyre! It made it a few metres down the rift and stuck. Bloomin good bang! It currently sits solid in the rift but it is unsupported and pinned in by a small nobble of rock. We did our best to shift it down to the streamway but it is too heavy. I recon it won't go much further but it has potential to drop onto anyone below. The rock would land in the stream on the bend just after the obstruction you have to climb over on route to the 1st pitch.

I imagine it would be a good idea to take a big hammer to it and drop it safely down into the stream, perhaps on a quiet evening!

DCA have been informed.

Pete
Darkside CMC/Edale YHA
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: ttxela on May 18, 2009, 09:18:01 am
Jug Holes instability

Copied from Hitch n' Hike's info site http://www.peakdistrictcaving.info/cavenews.htm (http://www.peakdistrictcaving.info/cavenews.htm)

"Jug Holes: Small rock fall
Report From: Daryl Godfrey / Adam Evans.
Report Date: 13/03/2009.
Published: 21/03/2009.

I was telephoned by Richard Saunders and John Buckle (local cavers) to inform me that a large boulder " the size of a football" had fallen down the upper entrance (climbable shaft) while they were exiting today (Friday 13th - Superstition - optional). Some moments later - I received another telephone call from Gary Noble at Derbyshire Youth Service to ask the procedure for reporting 'Dangerous Ground' Gary had observed a large fracture and obvious destabilsation extendeing back to the large boulder yesterday ( Thursday 12th). Gary noted the that it looked likely that it was ready to subside. Evidently he was correct! It is now obvious that this area of 'Jug Holes Lower' is in need of some attention / investigation. It is perhaps prudent to give this site a wide birth for the time being until DCA / PICA have investigated and either given assurances or untertaken the necessary work to stabilse this problem."



Anyone know what the current situation is with Jug Holes?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on May 28, 2009, 07:31:31 am
Winnats Head - Downstream Pitches

Thursday 28th May 2009

The downstream pitches in Winnats Head Cave are being equipped with eco anchors. This is the set of three 'down pitches' on the far side of the Sewer. This work will be finished soon but cavers should avoid the downstream pitches in Winnats Head Cave whilst the work is going on. Some old Spits have been removed and the eco anchor routes aren't yet complete.

I will post on here when the work is finished.

The 'up pitches' (i.e. the fixed rope immediately after the Sewer and the series of pitches leading to Wigwam Aven) are not affected.

Jules Barrett
DCA
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: rhychydwr1 on May 28, 2009, 08:55:54 am
Nettle pot, from the bottom of Beza, through the crawl and handline to red river passage

It was rather odd.. We haven't read about the bad air in the Descent yet, and we went down, but we were warned by Martin that there was abit of bad air down there. Went down with carbide, and my light became REALLY DIM. The flame was like 1cm or something. Still had loads of rock/water. Walking through from the short squeeze to red river passage was, very odd.. could hardly breathe, and felt like a 23 year old geriatric. Other memebers in the party (from TSG/CUCC as well) complained of similar air gasping experiences. Take heed!!



This sounds really serious.  I think you were close to death.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on August 02, 2009, 05:57:43 pm
Original Post:

P8 - LARGE ROCK MOVEMENT BELOW FAR FLATS PITCH / ABOVE STREAMWAY

This afternoon myself and a friend were up in the Flats area of P8 and as we made our way through the tight crawly/climb down to the far (Flats?) pitch I noticed a couple of breeze-block sized rocks moving underfoot. We shifted those back to a safe place but, as we rolled the last one off, the rock I was stood on began to sink and rolled off down towards the streamway (cue the need for new pants). This rock was about a metre across and is similar in size to a large 4x4 tyre! It made it a few metres down the rift and stuck. Bloomin good bang! It currently sits solid in the rift but it is unsupported and pinned in by a small nobble of rock. We did our best to shift it down to the streamway but it is too heavy. I recon it won't go much further but it has potential to drop onto anyone below. The rock would land in the stream on the bend just after the obstruction you have to climb over on route to the 1st pitch.

A team of us from the Darkside CMC dropped down P8 this lunchtime to tackle the rock. After much hauling, pushing and swearing we realized it was far firmer wedged in than was first though. 3 of us could not deliberately move it more than an inch or so. In the end the best option was to clear any other loose rocks from the area and place a small number of large rocks in a way that would further pin the main one in.
So in short, the rock is still in situ but it would take an army of determined cavers to shift it. There are far more dodgy looking rocks in the area to worry about!
It may take a while for the smaller bits of gravel and choss to settle or tumble into the streamway. The whole area is rather loose anyway so care should be taken whilst in the Flats area of the cave. Hopefully there will be no other issues.
Thanks to Faye O'Brian and Beth Brown (and her swine flu germs).
Cheers,
Pete Knight

Darkside CMC \ Edale YHA
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: jasonbirder on August 07, 2009, 04:10:44 pm
Are the downstream pitches in Winnats head accessible now? Or still in the process of being re-bolted...
Are the spits usable if its not been re-bolted?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Cap'n Chris on August 07, 2009, 05:07:59 pm
PINK RESIN:

It fractures a lot, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on August 07, 2009, 10:50:06 pm
Are the downstream pitches in Winnats head accessible now? Or still in the process of being re-bolted...
Are the spits usable if its not been re-bolted?

All P-bolted. I'll PM you what I think should be the right rope lengths etc.

Jules.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Gollum on August 23, 2009, 06:57:41 pm
Does anyone know anywhere in Derbyshire that we can cave without experiencing bad air :confused:
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on September 21, 2009, 03:53:32 pm
Winnats Head - Downstream Pitches

The re-equipping of the downstream pitches in Winnats Head Cave is finished:
 
Pitch 1
Rope: 35m
Rigging: 6 eco anchors, 3 tapes, 1 bolt and hanger for 8mm Spit
Notes: Easy traverse to pitch-head. Descend past two deviations (second one from 8mm Spit) to rebelay and the floor.
 
Pitch 2
Rope: 30m
Rigging: 3 eco anchors, 1 tape
Notes: Easy traverse to pitch-head. Descend past a deviation to floor.
 
Pitch 3
Rope: 30m
Rigging: 4 eco anchors, 1 tape
Notes: Traverse to pitch-head. Descend past a deviation to floor.

A good trip but those boulder chokes need care and the downstream pitches are wet so best avoided if it's very wet!

Jules.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Servo on November 16, 2009, 01:59:12 pm
Suicide Cave - Loose Bolt at top of Boulder Ramp

At the top of the boulder ramp in the main chamber the Y hang back-up bolt on the right hand wall when stood on the balcony is loose, the stone is breaking away from the bolt and has quite a bit of movemet. To make sure we backed-up to one of the boulders.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on November 16, 2009, 09:53:10 pm
Suicide Cave - Loose Bolt at top of Boulder Ramp

At the top of the boulder ramp in the main chamber the Y hang back-up bolt on the right hand wall when stood on the balcony is loose, the stone is breaking away from the bolt and has quite a bit of movemet. To make sure we backed-up to one of the boulders.

I think most people may know that as the 2nd pitch (from the entrance). The bolt you mean is a Petzl Collinox (?) resin one, with the resin badly applied/cracking. Needs pulling out.

IMO there is no need for it as there are a number of large threads and spikes in the nearby boulders anyway.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Servo on November 16, 2009, 11:46:48 pm
Suicide Cave - Loose Bolt at top of Boulder Ramp

At the top of the boulder ramp in the main chamber the Y hang back-up bolt on the right hand wall when stood on the balcony is loose, the stone is breaking away from the bolt and has quite a bit of movemet. To make sure we backed-up to one of the boulders.

I think most people may know that as the 2nd pitch (from the entrance). The bolt you mean is a Petzl Collinox (?) resin one, with the resin badly applied/cracking. Needs pulling out.

IMO there is no need for it as there are a number of large threads and spikes in the nearby boulders anyway.

That'll be the one. Would agree with you, more than enough boulders to choose from.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on December 15, 2009, 11:49:05 am
P8 Entrance - Loose Rock

Its no 'Windy Knoll' but....

Recent high water and frost has caused a minor slip at the entrance to P8. The steep slope above the concrete entrance has noticably slipped and on a trip there on the 13th of December myself and Adam Evans had to kick a fair few football sized rocks down to safer locations.
It all looked fairly stable when we left but anything knocked down will go straight down the entrance and into the streamway so take care.

A good time to remind ourselves that the area of a cave most prone to instability is the entrance, especially with the winter freeze-thaw cycle kicking in.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Turner on December 18, 2009, 12:13:59 am
loop on the end of handline at the top biggest pitch of boss aven in giants is very frayed...... noticed this tonight!
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Brendan on April 22, 2010, 08:49:23 pm
JH/Speedwell boulder choke very loose

On a trip to CLiffhanger today, there was evidence of a lot of movement in the scaffolded route through the boulder piles, below the fixed ladders at the bottom of JH>
The area above the scaffold has changed significantly, with a lot of loose rock sitting above. The whole scaffold frame appears to have shifted slightly, and one of the scaf bars at least is bent. The rock has dropped down the climb which is now really quite unstable - large boulders were moving under our feet as we climbed back up. There is an almost constant flow of small pebbles down with the water. We shifted some large rocks further along the passage - these look to have come from further up.

Please be very wary in this area - it has moved within the last 2 weeks, and is still doing so. There is a lot of loose rock above the scaffold frame, and the floor below it has changed as well. The whole area is very loose underfoot, and this is not isolated to small rocks.

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: MarkC on December 22, 2010, 08:48:50 am
Merlin Mine, Stoney Middleton Dale

Last night there was significant movement of the false floor in the upper level on Stub Scrin, between the intersection of the main adit level and 'Shaft 1'.   Some football sized boulders were also seen to fall out of the bottom of the false floor into the passage below.  The collapse occurred where there is already a large pile of boulders, which are climbed over on the route through to the three shafts to the lower levels and the Merlin Pipe.

Extreme caution is advised when passing under the false floors on Stub Scrin, and in particular when exploring the upper levels.

Mark C
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Cave_Troll on February 15, 2011, 03:11:25 pm
Pollution in Holme Bank Chert Mine

Was diving in Holme bank last Thursday and there was a strong Hydrocarbon smell down by pump base.
There was a similar smell in Jan but I think the fraction smells a bit lighter, although i could be wrong
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: paul on February 24, 2011, 12:22:28 pm
Major collapse at Odin Mine

See http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=11589.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=11589.0)
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: mr conners on September 11, 2011, 11:03:25 pm
Bad Air Knotlow Waterfall Chamber

Was down on Friday night, 6 of us met up in Waterfall chamber. Had a mooch down the coffin level to fourways and then back out. Whilst waiting to jug the 210 engine shaft I felt bloody awful, light headed and tight chested and was glad to get out. Couple of lads on the way out via waterfall and the climbing shaft also complained of similar symptoms. Just wondered if this is to be expected on a Knotlow trip or a more sinister sign of C0 build up. Not been down before, I know there are many warnings about C0 but I was also informed the recent problems had been cleared up.

Thought I better post just to keep people informed.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: ditzy on January 22, 2012, 08:33:27 pm
had a trip down oxlow earlier, about 3 metres below the bottom of the ginging there is a wedged boulder with a crack which has left a nose of rock loose and wobbly hanging over the pitch.
next person down could do with kicking it free if their ropes are clear.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Ralph on January 23, 2012, 11:28:31 am
Kicking off this particular boulder might not be a good idea. If you are thinking of doing this make sure it's not going to take a load of other stuff with it and possibly block the shaft. It could also destabilise the ginging-unless of course you can organise sorting out the consequences!!!
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Cap'n Chris on January 23, 2012, 07:02:18 pm
While kicking it might not be a good idea presumably someone who knows it is loose and potentially dangerous is doing precisely the right thing to (a) bring to the attention of other people and (b) suggest dislodging it in a controlled fashion rather than it remaining in situ for an unwitting person unware of its dangerous state to dislodge it possibly onto other people in the drop zone.

Now that it has been highlighted as possibly dangerous the duty of making it safe would surely strongly argue that it should indeed be made safe, rather than just left there until the inevitable happens.

Also I think it's a bit heavy-handed to infer that whoever spots a loose rock which needs making safe is somehow expected to remediate the cave afterwards!

Happy danglings!  :)
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: mr conners on January 23, 2012, 07:08:41 pm
Cheers Ditzy.
I will keep my eyes peeled for it next time we have a trip down there.
Just wondered is it part of the ginging or below the ginging? If its below and can be removed withouit de-stabilising the whole lot then I suppose its no bother.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Ralph on January 23, 2012, 09:18:05 pm
I suspect it's the boulder that was mentioned some time ago by Dave Carlisle (Mine Inspector working for PICA).
A group of us had a close look and decided that removing it would do more harm than good, hence the comment that kicking it down the shaft was inadvisable. A RSJ "stemple" would be a better solution.
If anyone has the time and inclination let me know, I might even provide the RSJ.
Why don't I sort it?- I'm far too busy working on The Boulder Piles and will be for some time.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Cap'n Chris on January 23, 2012, 09:20:07 pm
Thanks for the clarification, Ralph; fuller details paint a better picture.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Brains on January 24, 2012, 07:03:42 pm
About 3m/10ft below the crib at the bottom of the ginging the shaft is more like a worked vein/stope. To one side of the free hang is a wedged jumble of boulders, one of the larger ones has a prominent overhanging nose. This has a crack in it and the nose can be wobbled without appearing to move the remainder of the boulder(s). I didnt wish to loosen it as we had the pitch rope below us with several bags attached for hauling out.
I think it could perhaps do with reassesment if not remedial action.
The whole entrace shaft area has a temporary feel at the moment due to the gradual loss of material from the bottom of the shaft area
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: adamgeens on January 26, 2012, 09:55:17 pm
If someone decides some work is required let me know and a few of us from Stanley Head OEC will be happy to lend a hand.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: caving_fox on May 28, 2012, 09:29:29 am
Streaks Pot (again)

Made the through trip this time, and found the lower entrance perfectly intact (although rather more concrete and less oil barrel) so I was in completely the wrong place last time. However:

Throughout the lower streamway (from West Choke all through to route 66) we had intermittant smells of diesel/petroleum. Not strong but frequently present. In the draft it wasn't an issue but in places of still air we all felt a bit more tired than perhaps would hsve been normal. Not sure if it was bad air as such - but definately worth keeping an eye on.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: pwhole on May 28, 2012, 11:27:53 am
I went up Boss Aven in Giants the other day, and the top of the rope around the thread is still very frayed - I guess not many people go up there!
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pipster on September 26, 2012, 07:31:32 pm
Nettle Pot - Serious CO2 problems

There are currently very serious CO2 problems in Nettle Pot.  It is suggested that cavers stay away until further notice.  A warning notice about the problem has been hung from the bolts immediately under the lid.

Jenny Potts
DCA Secretary
http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=14086.0 (http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=14086.0)
Title: Lose P hanger Devonshire Mine
Post by: JR1973 on December 09, 2012, 06:57:44 pm

This topic only for updates on current alerts. Keep all discussion regarding any particular alert to seperate topics please.
Was in the Devonshire mine today and noticed one of the p hangers is lose, I believe the resin has lost contact with the wall, and the anchor moves.
I believe the pitch is called Hells Well, as you go into the old show cave, it's on the left hand side, as you go up hill.
The anchor in question is the nearest anchor, actually over the pitch head .
For those still wishing to do the pitch there is a spit about 6 inches underneath this, and it's still in good condition.
Cheers
Title: Re: Lose P hanger Devonshire Mine
Post by: SamT on December 09, 2012, 07:49:58 pm
For those still wishing to do the pitch there is a spit about 6 inches underneath this, and it's still in good condition.

Seriously - I bet the loose P hanger is stronger than the spit.  I'd put money on it.

I'll raise it with DCA and arrange a visit.

Cheers

Sam.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Lampwick on July 27, 2013, 09:53:01 pm
Nickergrove Mine, Stoney Middleton -  Through-Trip Blocked

The third descent on the through-trip from the internal shaft to didsbury shaft is blocked by a fallen boulder.
Boulder roughly 3 x 2 x 1 ft is not wedged in and could be hoisted out or broken in-situ (or carried out on the shoulder of a Desperate Dan sized person).

Glad we hadn't rigged it for a pull-through!
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on April 28, 2014, 07:40:15 am
Giants Hole - loose P-bolt for abseil/lower into Crabwalk after Giants Windpipe on round trip.

Report yesterday from John Geeson that one of the P-bolts used for the abseil/lower into the Crabwalk on the Giants round trip is showing some movement. Hasn't failed but as with all anchors test it - make sure satisfied - before using.

DCA Equipment Officer is aware and will be looked at soon as possible.

Jules.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on May 10, 2014, 11:38:32 pm
Giants Hole - loose P-bolt for abseil/lower into Crabwalk after Giants Windpipe on round trip.

This anchor has now been replaced.

Jules.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Jon daniels on January 16, 2015, 02:17:37 pm
Went into Robins Shaft mine this morning and by the time we dropped to Lord chamber the air was bad , two of us with dizziness and shortness of breath so quickly ascended up to near the entrance where the air was lots better and the symptoms went.

There is no water or ventilation in there so thought it may be quite bad but it was very noticeable.

regards jon
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: paul on January 16, 2015, 04:46:47 pm
That's interesting. I was down there with two others on December 6th last year and the air was absolutely fine everywhere (including the Lord's Chamber area) so things have changed quite quickly.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Jon daniels on January 17, 2015, 10:10:01 am
Hi Yeh don't know how quickly it can change but been in places before within weeks and one day ok next time poor air, yesterday was really low pressure which I believe doesn't help , and loads of farm sewage everywhere ..
Probably be fine next time hopefully getting down there soon with Dcro gas meter to get an accurate reading

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: jdduncan on January 24, 2015, 10:50:01 am
It could be my brain/eyes acting up in the wee hours last night (this morning I guess), but I thought it looked like the 2nd P bolt down from the top of West Swirl Passage in Oxlow seemed a bit funny in its slight looseness.  As I was standing around it if for a minute I gave it a little wiggle and the bottom seemed to move slightly more than the top, which struck me as a bit odd.  I suspect its perfectly fine, but figured I'd mention it.  I'd imagine someone can confirm that in the near future given the amount of traffic through oxlow.

David 
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: al on February 11, 2015, 12:30:08 am
Dropped into Robin's Shaft tonight with a fairly strong group from my regular Tuesday night crowd.

I carried both DCA's meters with me, and recorded the levels of both oxygen and carbon dioxide at several points down the shaft, and up in Lord's Chamber.

Recent very low temperatures have probably helped, but the current levels of CO2 are uniformly around 0.5% throughout the mine - which is fine. I can supply the actual figures if anybody wants them.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on March 30, 2015, 09:37:58 pm
ELDON HOLE
I've had an unconfirmed but trusted report that the belay stakes at Eldon Hole are dangerously rusted after an inspection. We will look into this as soon as possible but in the mean time please treat the stakes as highly suspect. Do not belay from the fence posts. South route does not rely on stake anchors.
I hope to check this out on Thursday 2nd April and confirm the exact routes effected. Help also needed on this date at Axe Hole.

Pete Knight
DCA Projects
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on April 02, 2015, 01:08:08 pm
ELDON HOLE - Update 2/4/15
I popped up to Eldon Hole today and had a look at the ground anchors. Once I’d kicked a bit of soil out the way to expose the base of the posts I gave them all a visual and ‘kick’ inspection. The following were my observations based on no qualifications but the view of "would I take clients here":

North route – Both anchors appear in good condition. Removed old rusty maillon that was occupying one hole.
South route – Single anchor looked in okay condition.
East route – Both bollards showed signs of corrosion. The base of bollard marked ‘C’ was particularly bad. Recommend DO NOT USE. Treat bollard ‘D’ as suspect too.
West route – Both bollards showed signs of corrosion. The base of bollard marked ‘A’ was showing large amounts of corrosion. Recommend DO NOT USE. Bollard ‘B’ should be thought of as suspect too.

The DCA is not the cave police or the HSE. Cavers using any anchor do so at the own risk and should first check that the anchor is suitable for their intended use. Ground anchors especially should be thoroughly scrutinised before use. If someone is happy to take on the job of organising a replacement set of anchors then great, I will happily help as much as I can. If not, I'm in busy work season now and they will be addressed in the autumn.

Pete Knight
DCA Projects
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on April 28, 2015, 09:08:58 pm
SUICIDE CAVE - Bad Bolt
The 3rd P-Bolt anchor on the left wall as you approach the 1st pitch, which is the one used for the right side of the y-hang, is rotating in its hole. The bolts rotates a few degrees easily and the visible resin rotated with it.

GIANT'S HOLE - Bad Bolt
The 1st P-Bolt anchor on the left wall when approaching the pitch head at Garlands also rotates within the wall. This anchor also seems to move with the resin still attached.

The relevant people have been notified but treat both anchors as suspect and avoid using. As ever, check your bolts!

Pete Knight
DCA/PICA
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Jenny P on November 04, 2015, 11:13:02 am
The P-anchor reported loose at the top of Garlands Pot in Giants Hole has now been replaced, thanks to the bolt installation team from DCA.

They hope shortly to check the one reported loose in Suicide Cave and we'll let everyone know as soon as that has been dealt with.

Jenny Potts,
DCA Hon. Sec.

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Badlad on November 04, 2015, 11:22:56 am

Out of interest.  Have the DCA started to use the more conservation friendly IC Anchor. 

Interested, because after much discussion I believe the various CNCC anchor groups have made the IC anchor their preferred anchor of choice on conservation grounds.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: SamT on November 04, 2015, 12:00:43 pm
Not as far as I'm aware, though I've not been involved in any related discussions recently

Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: JB on November 15, 2015, 06:04:49 pm

Out of interest.  Have the DCA started to use the more conservation friendly IC Anchor. 


I had an informal discussion with Simon Wilson about this today. The IC anchors that Simon manufactures are not available to other regions. Simon manufactures them to equip his local caves in the Dales and isn't looking to sell them/doesn't have capacity to manufacture them for other regions. It's Bolt Products anchors that are currently installed in Derbyshire. Just thought I'd explain that rather than leave the question hanging.

Jules.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: SamT on November 15, 2015, 10:20:24 pm

Thanks for clearing that up Jules.  I should have known but I didn't click.. I'd contacted Simon earlier in the year re buying some of his bolts for some climbing projects of mine, and he explained exactly the same.
Title: Re: Boss Aven, Giant's
Post by: Pete K on May 26, 2016, 09:48:19 am
Giant's Hole - Boss Aven
I understand that the last section of the in situ rope at the very top of Boss Aven is in a dangerous state. DCA do not install or check ropes on any bolts so it is important for cavers to inspect fixed gear themselves prior to use.
Either myself or Phil from DCC hope to be able to donate and install a suitable replacement in the not too distant future. Do take care if ascending this part of the system.
Pete
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: pwhole on May 26, 2016, 10:40:11 am
I thought Ralph Johnson replaced that rope a while ago after it was first reported - probably on here. Maybe this is subsequent damage. Isn't it rigged to natural? Maybe it's time for a P-hanger?
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on May 26, 2016, 10:59:31 am
I thought Ralph Johnson replaced that rope a while ago after it was first reported - probably on here. Maybe this is subsequent damage. Isn't it rigged to natural? Maybe it's time for a P-hanger?
This will be new damage I guess. Ralph has not been with us for a while now. I'll have a look at the anchors when I'm up there. We could ask DCA to place some resin anchors if required.
Title: Re: Boss Aven, Giant's
Post by: RichardB1983 on May 26, 2016, 01:17:16 pm
Giant's Hole - Boss Aven
I understand that the last section of the in situ rope at the very top of Boss Aven is in a dangerous state. DCA do not install or check ropes on any bolts so it is important for cavers to inspect fixed gear themselves prior to use.
Either myself or Phil from DCC hope to be able to donate and install a suitable replacement in the not too distant future. Do take care if ascending this part of the system.
Pete

I think there were two bits of damage, as Phil will be able to tell you: in addition to the damaged rope right at the top, there's also a red traverse-line leading away from the top of the vertical pitch after the initial climb up out of the streamway - where the rope is badly damaged at the end nearest to the pitch. It's not as big an issue as you can easily avoid having to clip into the damaged bit - but probably worth someone looking into at some point.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on May 28, 2016, 07:40:49 pm
This has now been sorted. Take care of loose rock at the top.
Title: Suicide Cave Warning
Post by: Pete K on October 10, 2017, 09:55:53 am
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=22595.0

Warning - Suicide Cave, Winnats Pass.
There has always been a nasty bit of rock on the wall at the far pitch in the roof (3rd p). Last night we attempted to remove this once and for all which successfully ended with about half a ton being redistributed to the floor.
Removing this section revealed a lot more loose rock, one section of which is very close to the P anchor or may even contain it. The other being at least a ton.
I am left in no doubt that the far pitch is a death trap and will not be going anywhere near it with groups or friends in future. You just have to look at the boulder fill inside this cave to see the potential risks.
The route along at floor level is still open but does have a good selection of new rocks. 1st & 2nd pitches do not seem to be affected.
Pete Knight
PICA Chairman / DCA Projects
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on August 20, 2018, 07:29:32 am
Warning - Hillocks Mine, Climbing Shaft.
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=23914.msg299695

There has been a collapse at the shaft top of the Hillocks Climbing Shaft in the small copse. By description it appears that a portion of the ginging came away while cavers were ascending. Luckily no one was hurt and Pete Dell has already been over to secure a warning notice to the lid. This is a new problem here and is unrelated to the packwall stabilisation a few years ago.

Please refrain from using this shaft until the situation can be inspected and any remedial work carried out. Rocks dislodged from the ginging will fall the whole length of the shaft and there is no place for a caver below to get out of the way.

Pete Knight
DCA Projects
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Pete K on November 11, 2018, 05:14:17 pm
Masson Quarry
Please use main thread for comment and further info - https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=24285

Please note that cavers should treat access to sites in and around Masson Quarry as highly 'sensitive' right now and are advised to stay away from the site in the short term until contact has been made with the landowner.
There has been a resumption of groundworks at the quarry and heavy machinery is present. DCA were investigating the risk to the underground sites in the vicinity but unfortunately, the report has come in today that Gentlewoman's Shaft has been blocked by a large boulder. This is almost certainly a deliberate act to block access to the shaft. Thanks to Jacob (NUCC) for the pic.

DCA are already in communication with Natural England (SSSI land) and Derbyshire County Council (planning). Thanks to those who have supplied information on this matter. We request that cavers stay away from the area while DCA attempts to contact the owner and establish the facts.

Pete Knight
DCA Projects & acting Access Officer
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: Madness on December 08, 2018, 03:26:56 pm
Tearsall Pipe Cavern - Pool Shaft

We were down Tearsall the other night and we noticed that some of the ginging in the shaft is unstable. At least one piece is likely to fall if you breathe on it and I suspect that there may be others similar. If one or two pieces go then I suspect a few more pieces above will follow.

Be careful if you go down Pool shaft.
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: benshannon on February 21, 2019, 07:21:35 pm
Hey guys,

I was in waterways swallet yesterday. There is a climb in toad haul chamber with a rope hanging down. (The un knotted one) found a broken krab at the top. the other back up ones aren't in great condition either tbh. just thought id let people know. for some reason my photo wont attach
Title: Re: Bad air / pollution / bad bolts / etc
Post by: peterwdell on February 22, 2019, 01:11:07 pm
We Put those in about 15 -20 years ago when we discovered it so they probably all want sorting properly.



Hey guys,

I was in waterways swallet yesterday. There is a climb in toad haul chamber with a rope hanging down. (The un knotted one) found a broken krab at the top. the other back up ones aren't in great condition either tbh. just thought id let people know. for some reason my photo wont attach