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Offline droid

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2016, 07:13:22 pm »
Let's stick to facts....though your characterisation of the DB piece as 'fact-free' suggests to me that your appreciation of what is 'fact' and what is 'opinion' is somewhat hazy.
I would suggest that it is that site you are pimping out at every opportunity

I've only linked it once!

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2016, 07:23:32 pm »
I have made things known, one is I can see good points and have some misgivings re crow, and for what ever reason I did not get my voting slip would have voted yes mainly due to the situation in the dales on trying to get permits and what was a very antiquated system.
DB piece is only the view point of those who constructed the article, and actually if you read it, it is not actually incorrect, you could also write an article with the complete opposite view point and also be correct. its what you choose exclude.
defra have said crow does not include caving, they have also said that it does but only as far as daylight
one assumes all those involved with crow do not or have not considered land owners views, but who says they have not spoken to land owners?
one land owner might say I don't care, whilst another says he does.

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2016, 07:50:29 pm »
« Last Edit: January 11, 2016, 09:06:36 pm by Pegasus, Reason: Photo resized as requested :) »

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2016, 07:58:36 pm »
Exactly, Brains.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2016, 08:03:27 pm »
So no point getting our knickers in a twist and gobbing off - just wait and see what happens with the BCA mandate and its outcome

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2016, 08:15:02 pm »
So no point getting our knickers in a twist and gobbing off - just wait and see what happens with the BCA mandate and its outcome

I was 71 on Saturday so might not live to see it!
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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2016, 08:21:46 pm »
So no point getting our knickers in a twist and gobbing off - just wait and see what happens with the BCA mandate and its outcome

I was 71 on Saturday so might not live to see it!
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to be fair, since tim has taken the initiative thing have moved on quite well. give him some time and i think you and everyone else will be surprised 

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2016, 08:23:20 pm »
So no point getting our knickers in a twist and gobbing off - just wait and see what happens with the BCA mandate and its outcome

I was 71 on Saturday so might not live to see it!
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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2016, 08:25:16 pm »
I am actually, but not quite as bad as my avatar suggests.
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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2016, 08:26:11 pm »
to be fair, since tim has taken the initiative thing have moved on quite well. give him some time and i think you and everyone else will be surprised

We may well be surprised, (I hope so.)
But not everyone is going to be satisfied! (Whatever the outcome.) :confused:

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2016, 08:27:11 pm »
So no point getting our knickers in a twist and gobbing off - just wait and see what happens with the BCA mandate and its outcome

I hope, for everyone's sake, that the outcomes are entirely positive....

Oh, and that Brian Cox quote is a good one. Pity you didn't resize it..... :lol:
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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2016, 08:29:11 pm »
Positive to some is total unrestricted access everywhere.
Positive to others is restricted access for conservation.

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2016, 08:30:11 pm »
This might help. From the BCA constitution

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13. INTERPRETATION:

13.1. A General Meeting of the Association shall be the final interpreter of this constitution.
 
13.2. Any matter not provided for in the constitution shall be dealt with by the National Council, pending endorsement of the action taken by the next General Meeting of the Association.


If you are that interested as to what the AGM and Council thinks, then please read items 6 and 25 in the minutes of the BCA 2015 AGM see http://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=about:documents:general_meetings:agm_minutes_2015_draft.pdf

then item 7d in the Council meeting for June 2015 see http://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=about:documents:council_meetings:council_minutes_2015-06-14.pdf

and then item 9a in the Council meeting for October 2015 see http://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=about:documents:council_meetings:council_minutes_2015-10-10.pdf

I can add that there will also be a lengthy item in the January 2016 Council minutes when they appear. 

I think you will find that no where has Council objected to what is being done despite its multiple debates on detail.

If any BCA members do object to what is being done, then can I remind them that motions for debate at the next AGM (weekend of 9 to 11 June on Mendip) must reach the Secretary by midnight on the day of the National Council meeting preceding the AGM which is to be held on 9 April.

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2016, 08:46:15 pm »
So no point getting our knickers in a twist and gobbing off - just wait and see what happens with the BCA mandate and its outcome

I was 71 on Saturday so might not live to see it!
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Despite your avatar still going  ;D You have plenty of old mines to keep you going - and I hope to be able to visit some soon
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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2016, 09:03:09 pm »
Would the website publish, if provided with one, a Reflections piece supporting the Crow access point of view?

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2016, 09:06:56 pm »
you would have to go and ask them that, as its doubtful any of them can reply to you here  :coffee:

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2016, 09:09:10 pm »
you would have to go and ask them that, as its doubtful any of them can reply to you here  :coffee:

Yes they could reply here  :)

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2016, 09:16:53 pm »
you would have to go and ask them that, as its doubtful any of them can reply to you here  :coffee:

Yes they could reply here  :)

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now if there was a like button I could have just clicked that  ;D

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2016, 09:34:37 pm »
Would the website publish, if provided with one, a Reflections piece supporting the Crow access point of view?

Talk to them direct.

There's a 'Contact' button :)
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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2016, 03:13:07 pm »
Positive to some is total unrestricted access everywhere.
Positive to others is restricted access for conservation.

Of course, you could find the outcome is one which none of you had actually considered........

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2016, 07:24:22 pm »

Of course, you could find the outcome is one which none of you had actually considered........

Very true.

And it may well be totally out of the control of any caving organisation....
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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2016, 08:47:30 pm »

Of course, you could find the outcome is one which none of you had actually considered........

Very true.

And it may well be totally out of the control of any caving organisation....
Would that be same way that climbing is out of control of the BMC? What additional controls do you think BCA needs over holes on access land, after all, sites of particular merit can be gated and access controlled under CRoW legislation

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2016, 08:51:15 pm »
I haven't a clue.

And neither, for all your confidence, have you. :)
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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2016, 09:00:26 pm »
I haven't a clue.

And neither, for all your confidence, have you. :)
;D Very true  :beer2:
On a less controversial note my eldest wants to go caving / walking with her bf and me, so I havent been that bad a parent after all

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Re: A balanced view?
« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2016, 09:27:24 pm »

 ;D Very true  :beer2:
On a less controversial note my eldest wants to go caving / walking with her bf and me, so I havent been that bad a parent after all

Need that 'like' button  ;D
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