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Offline bograt

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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2016, 01:56:05 pm »
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 "Doxing simply refers to the process of gathering or deducing other people's information such as name, age, email, address, telephone number, photographs etc. using publicly available sources such as the Internet. In other words, doxing is the act of using the Internet to search for personal details about a person."
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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2016, 02:35:45 pm »
Quote;
 "Doxing simply refers to the process of gathering or deducing other people's information such as name, age, email, address, telephone number, photographs etc. using publicly available sources such as the Internet. In other words, doxing is the act of using the Internet to search for personal details about a person."

From the Urban Dictionary: Doxing is a technique of tracing someone or gather information about an individual using sources on the internet. Its name is derived from “Documents” or “Docx”. Doxing method is based purely on the ability of the hacker to recognize valuable information about his target and use this information to his benefit. It is also based around the idea that, “The more you know about your target, the easier it will be to find his or her flaws”

The comments on here have made me feel like a 'target' and this the term is applicable.

I'm sorry for continuing this thread after the moderator comment, but felt I needed to making clear the effect this is having on me in response to what I read as an attempt to undermine my concerns.

By the way, in the interests of harmony, I have apologised on twitter for the 'unmitigated bollocks' part of my comment that you quote, but as for the rest, I still believe that BCA has acted unconstitutionally, as explained elsewhere on here by Cookie, and that this does not reflect well on it in the eyes of others. We have proof of this in the last Descent. Whether the perceptions of others are justifiable or not is another matter, but they certainly exist. But I am happy to retract those two words and have done so as you will see from twitter.
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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2016, 03:13:58 pm »
Great report Tim. Thank you for your hard work and professionalism.

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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #53 on: April 11, 2016, 04:38:54 pm »
When daffodils begin to peer,
With heigh, the doxy over the dale,
Why, then comes in the sweet o'the year,
For the red blood reigns in the winter's pale.

The white sheet bleaching on the hedge,
With heigh, the sweet birds O, how they sing!
Doth set my pugging tooth an edge,
For a quart of ale is a dish for a king.

The lark, that tirra-lyra chants,
With heigh, with heigh, the thrush and the jay,
Are summer songs for me and my aunts
While we lie tumbling in the hay.

The Winter's Tale, Act IV, scene 3.

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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2016, 05:24:08 pm »
Global Moderator Comment OK - now please, back on topic.
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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #55 on: April 11, 2016, 05:51:36 pm »
to be fair to Tim and his team, he has published what he has been up to, he has not hidden anything, whether we agree or disagree with it, no one can say he has done something which he has not shared,
I can only say what I have seen that he has acted respectively to all sides of the debate whether he personally agrees or not. some others might think differently obviously no one but Tim and they can answer that one.
we should all act respectively to each other, cavers on both sides need to look at themselves and start behaving like adults,
people have said the bca council are not taking the other sides views into consideration, like Jenny P stated, and see bca sec. posting, 3 points took 3 hours of debate to me that was the bca council taking the whole thing seriously.

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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2016, 05:54:19 pm »
and for clarity more than happy to give people my name, but my friends up north would have no idea who you would be talking about, like madness a nickname I was given(caving only) was badger and has stuck with me

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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2016, 08:18:51 pm »

Agreed. But the latter should be the prize for completing the former.

Agreed. Otherwise it's a case of putting the cart before the horse.

Are you going to have a cave conservation theory exam that people have to pass before they can apply for entry to your caves?

Why not? Surely there's no harm whatsoever to any parties? The caves would benefit, the visitors would raise their game. It's a total win:win.

It could be a verbal induction. Another easier way of doing it would be to allow a default option of access to be granted to cavers who are award-holders, since that has an assessed level of conservation knowledge implicit in the award. Others could be requested to follow the induction/Q&A route. It would at least ensure people actually knew something about conservation rather than just saying 'yeah, yeah,... how do I get in?'.

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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #58 on: April 11, 2016, 08:27:04 pm »
Totally agree with Badger.

The BCA Chairman and BCA secretary acted "perfectly" within their official remits and displayed no personal bias (regardless of how they voted and I will add that I have no clue how they voted). They very clearly had the interests of the BCA and it's members at the very forefront of their actions. When taken to task, they answered fully and comprehensively and in the best interests of the association. They did not attempt to circumvent, avoid or obfuscate any issue and were both direct and definitive in their responses and actions. I wish UK politicians would do the same.

The vast majority of the BCA voting attendees acted and behaved in the best interests of the BCA and it's members (again, regardless of how they personally voted at the referendum).

It is a shame that a small minority seek to derail the democratic views of the members and the hard work of the council.


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Re: BCA Meeting CRoW Report
« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2016, 01:13:48 pm »
Yep BCA are doing exactly what we have asked for.
Anything I say is represents my own opinion and not that of a any club/organisation that I am a member of (unless its good of course)