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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2016, 09:27:24 pm »
he did not condemn the side of the fence he is not sat on.

 'a vocal minority continue to campaign against CRoW with some vigour as evidenced by their relationships, in letters, PMQs and the media, all designed to undermine the BCA majority position.'

Really?

as per this thead ( same old story from same people)
tim  is giving  a factual statement

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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2016, 09:27:48 pm »
No. Sorry. I do not know what you are insinuating. I read the Report and the ERS document. It jumps out of the page to anyone who can read. There is a clear mismatch. I am picking up on that.

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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2016, 09:28:34 pm »
Ian, you can't take part in the sweep stake if you are doing your best to get it locked ;-)

People who don't vote, either don't care, don't think their vote will make any difference or expect that it is going to go in their direction anyway - ergo,
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People who don't vote are said to go with the majority who do. That is the basis of British voting law.

http://survation.com/apathy-in-the-uk-understanding-the-attitudes-of-non-voters/

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2016, 09:29:46 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2016, 09:30:02 pm »
Kindly use the official figures to prove that the "majority of BCA members voted in favour". Do that and I will retract my observations.

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« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2016, 09:31:27 pm »

. Read it is as it was written and stop being a p***k.

Ian

In deference to the forum I'll not respond to Ian's blatant provocation.....lol
No longer 'Exceptionally antagonistic' 'Deliberately inflammatory'

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2016, 09:32:45 pm »
Where's my tin helmet? I think I'll wait for the minutes to get the full picture!

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2016, 09:36:13 pm »
Kindly use the official figures to prove that the "majority of BCA members voted in favour". Do that and I will retract my observations.

The "official" figures are well known.

Deal with it.

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« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2016, 09:39:06 pm »
77% of BCA members did not vote for lobbying.

23% of BCA members did.

Deal with it.

Chris.

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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2016, 09:40:08 pm »
I have marked the following test papers:

Cap'n Chris - Arithmetic - Excellent, full marks.

Ian - Drama - very impressed. 9 out of 10.

Badlad - English Composition - spelling and grammar fine, an excellent work of fiction! (joke).

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2016, 09:44:37 pm »
77% of BCA members did not vote for lobbying.

23% of BCA members did.

Deal with it.

Chris.


You are talking total crap. Get your head out of bullshit it is stuck in and take a look around at the real world.


Pegasus - sorry about being strong, I don't feel I can simply sit here and let these people tear apart Tim's hard and excellent work which he has spent a very long time undertaking which even benefits these "mischief makers". Their attitude and postings are preposterous and sometimes it just needs saying.

Sorry again.

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« Reply #36 on: June 06, 2016, 09:48:25 pm »
Unfortunately, the real world is full of people who hold many different views on many things and see the same thing in completely different ways. Sorry, that should have read "Fortunately" at the start.

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« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2016, 09:50:09 pm »
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« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2016, 09:51:46 pm »
77% of BCA members did not vote for lobbying.

23% of BCA members did.

Deal with it.

Chris.

You are talking total crap.

The facts are there. Others can decide for themselves what is crap and what isn't.

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« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2016, 10:09:29 pm »
Ian, you can't take part in the sweep stake if you are doing your best to get it locked ;-)

People who don't vote, either don't care, don't think their vote will make any difference or expect that it is going to go in their direction anyway - ergo,
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People who don't vote are said to go with the majority who do. That is the basis of British voting law.

http://survation.com/apathy-in-the-uk-understanding-the-attitudes-of-non-voters/

Mike

So by that reckoning, all non voters can be included with the pro group, giving an even greater mandate  ;D

Simples!

Now about this bickering thing...

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2016, 10:10:47 pm »
The only fact is most members didn't vote, they were hopefully too busy caving! Of those who did vote almost twice as many were pro-CRoW, that's a lot better than the Conservatives 14% lead over Labour.
 
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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2016, 10:41:52 pm »
77% of BCA members did not vote for lobbying.

23% of BCA members did.

Deal with it.

Chris.


You are talking total crap.

The facts are there. Others can decide for themselves what is crap and what isn't.

THE "fact" is that the BCA referendum was in FAVOUR of the proposal.

Your twisting, spinning and disgusting betrayal of the facts in an effort to undermine a democratic vote in a democratic institution is not just insulting to the members of the BCA but a betrayal of the very constitution you have signed up for.

Shame on you.

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« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2016, 10:44:11 pm »
think chris's argument is the words used in the report. and his maths is indeed right. he is not saying the vote was not a majority, he is saying those who voted it produced a majority. who can say what those who did not vote view is they did not vote.
so where does that leave us, from my point is that the bca can only work on the figures they got from the vote that of those who voted the majority voted yes. we have a government voted in by us on about the same percentage, we have a government for those who choose not to vote is it the government they wanted?
we could go round and round argueing this pro/anti crow thing for however long.
what is needed is for both sides to take stock, talk about the concerns and address them so that the bca can move forward.
and I think both sides are guilty for want of a better word "political spin" and I am not accusing any one individual, that's the way it is
I also think this is an issue that is not going to be resolved quickly, but will eventually be resolved in crow being applicable to caving, (my opinion)


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« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2016, 10:45:03 pm »
I have marked the following test papers:

Cap'n Chris - Arithmetic - Excellent, full marks.

Ian - Drama - very impressed. 9 out of 10.

Badlad - English Composition - spelling and grammar fine, an excellent work of fiction! (joke).

Peter, you obviously don't give a monkey's about what people think about you. You are developing/already have a reputation for being a trouble maker.

There must be something missing from your world if you think all of your stirring and sniping is worthwhile.


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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2016, 10:47:09 pm »
Can Peter Burgess be warned too please .... I take offence at his post quoted by "Madness". It is very clearly inflammatory and was ignored (as usual) by moderators.

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« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2016, 10:48:57 pm »
See my earlier reply to comments directed by you towards me.

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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2016, 10:50:50 pm »
Badger ....

As I have repeatedly said, and as Chris repeatedly retorts back with crap;

When a "vote" occurs (in British law), those that do not vote give way to those that do vote.

Therefore, to say that the majority of members did not vote in favour of the proposal is a total misnomer.

The FACT is, the ballot was in favour.

Just like any other democratic vote in the UK INCLUDING the election of Governments and referendums.

Or is the BCA somehow different?

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« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2016, 10:51:39 pm »
I have marked the following test papers:

Cap'n Chris - Arithmetic - Excellent, full marks.

Ian - Drama - very impressed. 9 out of 10.

Badlad - English Composition - spelling and grammar fine, an excellent work of fiction! (joke).

Peter, you obviously don't give a monkey's about what people think about you. You are developing/already have a reputation for being a trouble maker.

There must be something missing from your world if you think all of your stirring and sniping is worthwhile.


Twas a bit of light-hearted wit to counter the heavy atmosphere.

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« Reply #48 on: June 06, 2016, 10:52:03 pm »
See my earlier reply to comments directed by you towards me.


I got a warning - you did not.
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« Reply #49 on: June 06, 2016, 10:54:13 pm »
The FACT is, the ballet was in favour.
That's just Bolshoi.  ;D