First Aid Kits

thehungrytroglobite

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On an outdoor first aid course this week and it's got me thinking a lot about first aid kits. Ingredients, size, where I bring them etc.
I'm interested in what YOU keep in your:
1) Underground first aid kit
2) Above ground (mountain) first aid kit

For example I can carry more in the hills than I can underground so might be less selective. There are also things like antihistamines that I would bring in a mountain kit but not an underground kit.
 

Babyhagrid

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I have a small first aid kit which goes on most serious trips with me. It contains
Nitrile gloves
Safety pins
Two sterile bandages
Steristrips
Antiseptic wipes
A few plasters

Paracetamol
Ibuprofen
Codine phosphate
Immodium/own brand
Caffeine tablets

Hopefully enough bits and bobs to make most situations less shit .
 
I bring a small peli case with my phone, spare battery, steri strips, a bandage, a large plaster, duct tape, a tampon, ibuprofen, diclofenac, mini eye wash, anti septic wipes, savlon, a candle and a lighter, and a 1man emergency bothy in my bag. A perhaps limited and haphazard little collection but based on what I actually found useful when I have been injured..! (duct tape is amazing stuff)
 

andrewmcleod

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I might have more underground than on the surface. If I injure myself on the surface I am less likely to need to engage in self-rescue and I am probably going to be stuck for a lot less time. If I break my ankle on the surface, it's unlikely a rescue team is going to ask me to hobble off the hillside instead of just sticking me in a stretcher or in the back of a vehicle. There's every chance that hobbling out of the cave is the best solution (both before a rescue team arrives and after).

I probably bring too much crap - it's basically a half Daren drum stuffed full of 'stuff' (including waterproof paper and a pen). Mind you it used to be a full Daren drum which really was too much crap!

On the other hand, not much point bringing stuff if you don't know how to use it - so bring the kit you know how to use.
Paracetamol and ibuprofen are probably an excellent start (for personal use of course); they are good but take a bit of time to kick in so in the event of a rescue it's helpful if you have taken it before the rescue team arrive (but make sure to note the dosage and the time you took them).
Gloves are good for your protection; maybe a few wipes as well for cleaning stuff up (I also have a tiny towel thing).
'Duct tape and a large dressing' (to quote someone else) is also a good idea. You can get small-sized tuff cuts which might be useful. 'Emergency bandages' from SP Services (who sell everything) are basically slightly smaller Israeli bandages.
I also carry cable ties and have used them several times (never for first aid though!).
Steristrips are good but not sure how well they'll stick in a wet cave...
Personally I like having a few plasters just for quality-of-life (and to stop people bleeding over the cave). I have some saline pods but that's mostly because I always wear contact lenses.
I have one SAM splint which could potentially be useful for splinting a broken wrist or whatever (enabling self-rescue) but probably falls in the 'nice to have' not 'really important' category.

Realistically there's not a lot you are going to be able to treat in the cave with any sensible amount of kit. Can't sensibly do much about airway or breathing (beyond ensuring people have their personal medications e.g. epipens, inhalers and knowing where they are). Large dressing covers the circulation (although I guess it's potentially worth bringing some aspirin?). Can't think of anything relevant for disability, which leaves environment which is critical.

Stuff to keep people warm will be very useful. I have a blizzard blanket thing which does take a bit of space and weight but should be much warmer than a survival bag and massively easier to get people into (it's supposed to seal up with tape, which also gives you access when you need it later). I have a bag of skittles in my first aid kit as well (I like skittles). I also have a 2 person lightweight group shelter but that doesn't live in my FA kit (because I may want this without there being an 'emergency').

Never had to use any of the FA kit yet I think (other than maybe a few plasters)... hopefully that continues :)
 

wormster

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Paracetamols, a couple of tampons and half a roll of gaffer tape!! Does for most situations.
 
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huwg

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any benefit of duct tape over vet wrap?
I guess duct tape is a better seal over things which could be useful in some scenarios?
For a third option, I take electrical tape, but I've never used in anger.
It lives in a nalgene with a spare buff, balaclava, candles, lighter, spare batteries and a couple of naked bar type things. I also carry a superlight emergency shelter bothy bag thing if there isn't one going down in another bag.

I also found a foil blanket today whilst climbing in Spain which might become part of my kit
 

marsrat

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Evening.
I'm a minimalist really but I always ensure I bring the following (both on solo and group trips underground):

The aim for the kit really is to get you in a state where you can self rescue.
  • Isotonic gels/high calorie food + caffeine pills
  • Highest strength painkiller I can get my hands on
  • Ibuprofen/Paracetamol
  • Duct tape/superglue
  • Heat blanket (if I end up not being able to self rescue)
This all goes in my helmet or in a very small plastic bag in my pocket. I personally don't see the point of bringing in anything trauma related as if you've reached that point - you're probably stuffed. I would consider bringing a SAM splint in the future if I do more work at heights.

Yours aye,
Marsrat.
 

shotlighter

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Triangular bandage and electrical (or gaffer) tape. - But only if I'm being organised!
The most important kit in many outdoor cases, is what you have with you & the ability to improvise.
6 months back, I ended up using a shirt sleeve, 2 gloves, a bike innertube & a cable tie as a pressure dressing.
It did the job untill I got to A&E and they put 7 stitches in it.
 
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Loki

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Fascinating. I’ve not knowingly ever been on a caving trip when anyone has taken a FA kit underground. It has crossed my mind that it might be a good idea though. The only injuries I’ve ever had on a trip I was on was a smashed leg from a falling boulder and a cut thumb from using the cheese knife the wrong way round. Not sure anything in a kit would have helped in the former unless there was some very strong painkillers.
A limited opportunity for someone to make up some kits in containers and sell them on here? I’d buy one. Could you get a kit in a 1l Nalgene? I have many.
 

andrewmcleod

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this kit has been cited with approval. Not that I've been organised enough to follow his recommendations
Don't stick things in your helmet though, otherwise you are defeating what your helmet is for (that space, on cradle helmets, is needed).

(In the Riesending rescue, all the foil blankets stuck in the casualty's helmet helped keep him alive after he got hit on the head by falling mud, but medics suggested made the impact much worse in the first place)
 

andrewmcleod

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Fascinating. I’ve not knowingly ever been on a caving trip when anyone has taken a FA kit underground. It has crossed my mind that it might be a good idea though. The only injuries I’ve ever had on a trip I was on was a smashed leg from a falling boulder and a cut thumb from using the cheese knife the wrong way round. Not sure anything in a kit would have helped in the former unless there was some very strong painkillers.
A limited opportunity for someone to make up some kits in containers and sell them on here? I’d buy one. Could you get a kit in a 1l Nalgene? I have many.
Lifeventure make good outdoor first aid kits; they would obviously need repacking for underground use (and I'd add the medications, an emergency bandage and dump some of the stuff e.g. the sun cream stick...)
 

mikem

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Foil blankets are only really useful for insulation from cold wind, rather than rock - so more use for walking than prone casualties
 

thehungrytroglobite

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I’ve not knowingly ever been on a caving trip when anyone has taken a FA kit underground
That's pretty surprising, I assumed it was standard! Although my partner and I never used to take a FA kit underground until he attended some rescue training and was made to see otherwise... took me a while to come round to the idea (because of carrying extra weight etc) but now I think it's an essential bit of kit. I maybe wouldn't bother for easy trips where you can run back to the car and get stuff easily, but for standard longer trips like Gingling, Penyghent etc I think a FA kit is important to have now (this outdoor first aid course helped too - made me realise how f'd I'd be if I broke an ankle or gashed an arm at the bottom of a cave!
 
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