Cap'n Chris said:...
When passing a deviation don't clip into anything.
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me said:Cap'n Chris said:...
When passing a deviation don't clip into anything.
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When passing a deviation I clip into the deviation crab so that I don't loose it :-[
Maj said:I would think that for most cavers it would depend on how slight or how severe the deviation is , also whether there is something to push against ie when in a rift. In other words a judgement made as to the likelihood of losing the deviation.
So I think this would come into the "There may be situations where these generalisations are overridden."
Maj.
I am of the generation that pioneered SRT, how many 'experts' have abbed off of High Tor (200ft, mostly freehang) with a figure of eight on a terylene sailing rope tied to a natural belay with a bowline and got back up on Jumars ?
Bottlebank said:I've always strongly encouraged people to never clip into deviations, there's usually no need to, and if they do before you know it you find them hanging from one.
Leclused said:Bottlebank said:I've always strongly encouraged people to never clip into deviations, there's usually no need to, and if they do before you know it you find them hanging from one.
If the risk for a swing is not to big then you can do this. But not if the deviation is placed to avoid a sharp edge or water then you don't want to swing into the water or swing over a sharp edge with the rope. Then you should Always clip in imho.
Leclused said:Bottlebank said:I've always strongly encouraged people to never clip into deviations, there's usually no need to, and if they do before you know it you find them hanging from one.
If the risk for a swing is not to big then you can do this. But not if the deviation is placed to avoid a sharp edge or water then you don't want to swing into the water or swing over a sharp edge with the rope. Then you should Always clip in imho.
Bottlebank said:Leclused said:Bottlebank said:I've always strongly encouraged people to never clip into deviations, there's usually no need to, and if they do before you know it you find them hanging from one.
If the risk for a swing is not to big then you can do this. But not if the deviation is placed to avoid a sharp edge or water then you don't want to swing into the water or swing over a sharp edge with the rope. Then you should Always clip in imho.
Not really, you'll always swing when above it so it doesn't make much difference. Watching someone treating a bit of tat as a rebelay by mistake is far more worrying.
Leclused said:Bottlebank said:Leclused said:Bottlebank said:I've always strongly encouraged people to never clip into deviations, there's usually no need to, and if they do before you know it you find them hanging from one.
If the risk for a swing is not to big then you can do this. But not if the deviation is placed to avoid a sharp edge or water then you don't want to swing into the water or swing over a sharp edge with the rope. Then you should Always clip in imho.
Not really, you'll always swing when above it so it doesn't make much difference. Watching someone treating a bit of tat as a rebelay by mistake is far more worrying.
I must say good point here, I admit. But when descending it still makes some sense, no?