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Bull Pot Rigging
« on: March 20, 2017, 11:44:02 am »
Last week I removed several loose anchors and placed two new ones on the entrance pitch of Bull Pot.

This provides a beautifully simple rigging using a 15m rope and one carabiner. It can be approached safely and there is a ledge which makes it a very easy take-off.




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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2017, 11:51:44 am »
The deviation off the far wall was rather good fun.

That looks a nicely simple hang indeed, can you rethread the 2nd knot and use no metal bits?

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2017, 05:58:07 pm »
Thankyou Simon,

Can I just check for clarity, is the approach from the stream side now removed? Or are both options still useable?

Thanks again

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2017, 07:51:25 pm »
The upstream anchors have been removed.

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2017, 10:16:21 pm »
A new topo and descriptive guide to Bull Pot is now on the IC resin anchor website.

http://www.resinanchor.co.uk/6.html

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2017, 10:32:04 pm »
Nevermind bull pot, finish off Car already :). Am willing to lend a hand as always, but don't have any of the bolting gear.
Anything I say is represents my own opinion and not that of a any club/organisation that I am a member of (unless its good of course)

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2017, 10:34:39 pm »
A new topo and descriptive guide to Bull Pot is now on the IC resin anchor website.

http://www.resinanchor.co.uk/6.html


Thanks for the update, Simon. Have some of the huge number of anchors at the top of the 4th pitch now been removed?

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2017, 10:49:00 pm »
The reason why there were so many anchors on the fourth pitch was that instead of removing loose anchors in the past, loose anchors had been augmented by having new anchors installed in-between. We removed the three loose anchors and installed one new one. The new one is one side of the Y hang at the end of the traverse. There are now two anchors fewer on the traverse.

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2017, 08:23:06 am »
Thanks for all your efforts here Simon and for getting the new topo prepped so quickly.

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2017, 08:41:22 am »
The reason why there were so many anchors on the fourth pitch was that instead of removing loose anchors in the past, loose anchors had been augmented by having new anchors installed in-between. We removed the three loose anchors and installed one new one. The new one is one side of the Y hang at the end of the traverse. There are now two anchors fewer on the traverse.

 :thumbsup: I was intrigued by the alternating new/old anchors when I was there last. Thanks for getting it sorted.

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 01:21:34 pm »
there is some rope rub and some way of stayin clipped in until safe distance from the edge might of been handy...


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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 07:42:50 pm »
there is some rope rub and some way of stayin clipped in until safe distance from the edge might of been handy...

Can't comment re rope rub (where exactly?) but there is a safe traverse from the natural on the R.  Ie, don't just use the two bolts.

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2017, 07:39:25 pm »
There is no rope rub if it's rigged as shown in the photo above. You have to adjust the loop lengths to avoid possible rub but that's normal for Y hangs.

The decision to radically alter the rigging on this pitch was not taken lightly and it was only done after a deal of consultation. Four anchors had to be removed because they were loose. One of our guiding principals is to keep the number of anchors to an absolute minimum and this new rigging fits in with that.

When deciding where to place anchors there are many things to consider and balance against each other. In this case one consideration is that it is one of the most popular caves for leaders taking novices and for relatively new cavers leading themselves. The rope can be attached to the first anchor with two feet on firm ground and the second anchor is within a short reach.

I'm quite happy with the anchors as they are but we are always open to discussion, suggestions and constructive criticism.

Simon Wilson, CNCC Anchor Coordinator.

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2017, 07:47:04 pm »
There is no rope rub if it's rigged as shown in the photo above. You have to adjust the loop lengths to avoid possible rub but that's normal for Y hangs.

The decision to radically alter the rigging on this pitch was not taken lightly and it was only done after a deal of consultation. Four anchors had to be removed because they were loose. One of our guiding principals is to keep the number of anchors to an absolute minimum and this new rigging fits in with that.

When deciding where to place anchors there are many things to consider and balance against each other. In this case one consideration is that it is one of the most popular caves for leaders taking novices and for relatively new cavers leading themselves. The rope can be attached to the first anchor with two feet on firm ground and the second anchor is within a short reach.

I'm quite happy with the anchors as they are but we are always open to discussion, suggestions and constructive criticism.

Simon Wilson, CNCC Anchor Coordinator.

I would like to endorse what Simon says above.  I have never had problems with rope rub on this pitch, and when rigging for the less confident, I take a traverse line back to the bolts on the back wall. In my opinion, the new bolts are good, and a considerable improvement on the previous options.
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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2017, 09:11:44 pm »
The 1st pitch redirector was a great place for a photo and you had loads of time to take one as it could be a troublemaker!

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2017, 09:58:04 pm »
The 1st pitch redirector was a great place for a photo and you had loads of time to take one as it could be a troublemaker!

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2017, 08:24:11 am »

I would like to endorse what Simon says above.  I have never had problems with rope rub on this pitch, and when rigging for the less confident, I take a traverse line back to the bolts on the back wall. In my opinion, the new bolts are good, and a considerable improvement on the previous options.

The bolts on the back wall are no longer there...

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Re: Bull Pot Rigging
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2017, 08:52:15 am »
The bolts on the back wall are no longer there...

Thanks - I haven't been down since March, but I'm pretty sure that they were then. But as has been indicated elsewhere, there is always another way of skinning the proverbial.