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BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« on: March 22, 2017, 12:00:19 am »
Declaration of Independence from cross border stupidity.

Since building a wall and Making Cornwall Great Again is not likely to be regarded as a workable option by Cornwall's ruling class, the CBC has had no choice but to draw it's line in the sand and no longer recognises the authority of the BCA (British Caving Association) and the DCUC (Devon and Cornwall Underground Council). Going down holes should be about going down holes, not waving willies, beard measuring or daft nonsense like the borderline OCD BCA bolting protocol.

The CBC regards these organisations as pathogenic to the interests of hole going and hostile to the free enjoyment of history, geology, mineralogy and industrial archaeology, free from unnecessary gates, locks, hindrance, hassle and general henpecked little men making a fuss. It is with great sorrow that we must draw a line under this nonsense and hopefully move forward together, embracing open mindedness, tolerance, 21st century values and most importantly, the valued joy of our fantastic pastime.

We no longer recognise any of the protocols, access related foolishness, silly empires of silly men with their weirdy beardy hierarchy of extraordinary general meetings, decisions about padlocks and which sillybilly wears the ceremonial sword. The CBC refuses to engage with any protocol in this manner and actively encourages other local groups to abstain from this ritualistic silliness.

We are entering a period of exciting exploring, embracing techniques and technology gained from cross curricular developments. We do not and cannot accept this continued Luddite, hair shirt, dogmatic and bigoted nonsense infesting underground exploration like a dirty and unwanted fungus.

From this moment forward, as the most important, big and awesome underground organisation in the UK, we would advise others to embrace the future and put this pack of bullshitters to bed and will set the motion in progress by this declaration of independence.

British Caving Group. We in Cornwall no longer recognise your authority or views on caving/underground related matters.

Devon and Cornwall Underground Council, We do not recognise your bigoted and nonsensical approach to caving related matters in the SW. We are actively hostile to, and strongly oppose your approach to empire building. Aka say "See-ya" to your locks, every time you replace them.

Yours in a friendly pirate fashion.

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 12:08:25 am »
What does CBC stand for?

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 12:51:11 am »
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Going down holes should be about going down holes, not waving willies,

Said whilst wildly waving...

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2017, 04:47:58 am »
What does CBC stand for?

I know! I know!
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2017, 06:22:24 am »
Yes, but since when were the Canadian news media interested in Cornish caving?
"That, of course, is the dangerous part about caves:  you don't know how far they go back, sometimes... or what is waiting for you inside."   JRR Tolkein: "The Hobbit"

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2017, 07:33:35 am »
There are hardly any natural caves in Cornwall apart from seacaves. i haven't seen any locked ;)

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2017, 07:54:17 am »
There are hardly any natural caves in Cornwall apart from seacaves. i haven't seen any locked ;)

No, not many caves:

THE CAVES OF CORNWALL by Tony Oldham. 2017  This is a book of a 83 pages  listing all [?] the known caves in Cornwall.  For each cave the follow is given (if known) National Grid Reference, Explorer map number, short description, references, photos, video and surveys. 

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2017, 08:23:31 am »
Declaration of Independence from cross border stupidity.

Since building a wall and Making Cornwall Great Again is not likely to be regarded as a workable option by Cornwall's ruling class, the CBC has had no choice but to draw it's line in the sand and no longer recognises the authority of the BCA (British Caving Association) and the DCUC (Devon and Cornwall Underground Council). Going down holes should be about going down holes, not waving willies, beard measuring or daft nonsense like the borderline OCD BCA bolting protocol.

The CBC regards these organisations as pathogenic to the interests of hole going and hostile to the free enjoyment of history, geology, mineralogy and industrial archaeology, free from unnecessary gates, locks, hindrance, hassle and general henpecked little men making a fuss. It is with great sorrow that we must draw a line under this nonsense and hopefully move forward together, embracing open mindedness, tolerance, 21st century values and most importantly, the valued joy of our fantastic pastime.

We no longer recognise any of the protocols, access related foolishness, silly empires of silly men with their weirdy beardy hierarchy of extraordinary general meetings, decisions about padlocks and which sillybilly wears the ceremonial sword. The CBC refuses to engage with any protocol in this manner and actively encourages other local groups to abstain from this ritualistic silliness.

We are entering a period of exciting exploring, embracing techniques and technology gained from cross curricular developments. We do not and cannot accept this continued Luddite, hair shirt, dogmatic and bigoted nonsense infesting underground exploration like a dirty and unwanted fungus.

From this moment forward, as the most important, big and awesome underground organisation in the UK, we would advise others to embrace the future and put this pack of bullshitters to bed and will set the motion in progress by this declaration of independence.

British Caving Group. We in Cornwall no longer recognise your authority or views on caving/underground related matters.

Devon and Cornwall Underground Council, We do not recognise your bigoted and nonsensical approach to caving related matters in the SW. We are actively hostile to, and strongly oppose your approach to empire building. Aka say "See-ya" to your locks, every time you replace them.

Yours in a friendly pirate fashion.

Chief Hacksaw Officer,

CBC, GFY

Carbis Bay Crew Dominion Broadcast #1

Hello Stu.

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2017, 08:51:50 am »
Now here is a thread we can all really get stuck into, so all tongues firmly in cheeks and let fly
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2017, 08:59:33 am »
So can you send me a list of mine shafts, adits, etc than I can access, some notes on rigging and rope lengths would be helpful. Old Wheal Jane is a favourite, as is Cligga, but the secrecy of the locals about trips has been highly obstructive. Other regions have published guides and access info, but all I hear from Kernow is fill it in, we dont want off season £££'s from explorers, dont tell where the entrances are, just dont tell them Pike!
I am sure there are so many more holes than, say, Mendip - evn if they are all man made!
Give me a reason not to go to Nent, N Wales, Dales, Peak etc.
Will I need to renew my passport, or learn the language?

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2017, 09:00:30 am »
What does CBC stand for?

http://www.carbisbaycrew.co.uk/

Very interesting site

Dont expect to see it featured on the BBC!
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2017, 09:43:33 am »
I must say that by being polite and friendly I have visited at least one locked mine. I think it is how you approach people. Remind a lot are on private land.

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2017, 10:00:34 am »
From CBC front page:

"Mosque for Cornwall
Cornwall needs a Mosque and Islamaic drop centre ,best on the site of Truro catherdral .. The fun will kick off with street parties and yoghurt craft workshops and then will degenerate into shooting whilst waving mispelt plackards"

Not to mention misspelt website postings
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2017, 12:52:25 pm »
What a bizzare post. A few points from my lunch time musings

I do wonder why you had to post this behind a new and secret user name? Most of us have a fair idea who you are anyway.
Does a formal decleration not need to be by someone? Or else who is rejecting the thing in the first place?

This time last year I had a fair amount of respect for the cbc but this post has just flushed all that away.

BCA anchor scheme: safe reliable anchors for permenant installation, use what you want for exploration. Whats wrong with that?

Denouncing the DCUC? Dont you need to prove a greater representation of members to be the biggest most awesome club dont you need to say who you are?

Just a few musing while ive nothing better to do

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2017, 12:53:43 pm »
I have assumed this was just a windup/trolling. And yes I can guess who by too :)

One thing I have noted if we keep splitting up like this it won't be long until what was the UK is just fragmented separated "kingdoms" like it was in the 1400s. I wonder what is this big drive is to separate more and more, since when is splitting up and dividing ever produced anything good other than weakening both parties.
Anything I say is represents my own opinion and not that of a any club/organisation that I am a member of (unless its good of course)

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2017, 01:04:14 pm »
Dont take him seriously, or Tony for that matter.

If there were no 'characters' in the world, it would be a much duller place.

CBC and Stu just like to wind people up.

There a posting a while back by someone or other which was blatantly just a joke I would have thought it obvious to anyone.
But Oh no, someone had to take it literally, there will always be one, and got quite stroppy. Everyone else could see it for what it was, nothing more than a joke.
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2017, 01:09:42 pm »
I think trolling and wind up are two different things. Trolls usually target a specific post, or a person.

Wind ups are Stu and Tony's thing, they brighten my day. I mean, think back on some of Stu's postings, I have nearly gone hysterical on some of them.
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2017, 02:16:30 pm »
One thing I have noted if we keep splitting up like this it won't be long until what was the UK is just fragmented separated "kingdoms" like it was in the 1400s.

It wasn't that separated in the 1400s. Scotland was an independent kingdom, but England, Wales and much of Ireland were united into a sovereign entity.

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2017, 03:17:52 pm »
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England, Wales and much of Ireland were united into a sovereign entity.

Not that the Welsh or Irish took much notice!  ;D

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2017, 06:29:21 pm »
Sorry I picked a date at random as I was at work and too busy to check it.
Anything I say is represents my own opinion and not that of a any club/organisation that I am a member of (unless its good of course)

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2017, 08:51:31 am »

CAR PARKING

Charging for parking in Cornwall is a major industry.  There are very few places in Cornwall where one can park for free!  If you want to visit half a dozen caves two hours each side of low tide, this will probably mean parking in three or four places.  Charges can vary from £3.00 to £4.50 a day. Crantock Bay was an exception.  One hour was only £0.80, but with no change given!  Tintagel was another rip off.  The sign said “£1.50 a Day”, but once you had parked and looked at the sign close up it said in very small print “from £1.50  a Day”.  Perhaps a boat is the answer.  Oh no, there are launch and mooring fees to be taken into consideration. 



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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2017, 08:53:37 am »

ACCESS IN CORNWALL

No problem! It is easy to get into Cornwall, dual carriage ways, excellent signposting etc. But trying to get out is another matter. At the Tamar Bridge you will be charged £1.50 or more depending on the size of your vehicle. The maximum is an eye watering £16.50. But there is an escape route across Bodmin Moor. Here the border is not guarded and you can escape into England without charge.

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accessed 240414 Cornwall is not England.


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Inbreeding and incest in a rural Cornish community
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2017, 05:13:33 pm »
I was going to write a long essay on the in-breeding of idiots in Cornwall.  Each generation of idiots produced more which are even more retarded.  This has been going on for thousands of years.  Read all about it here:

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1394148
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2017, 06:40:19 pm »
 :lol: :lol: Hysterical  :lol: :lol: Crying

Afterthought

I encourage him  :o

More afterthought
A lot of attitude for a man with a family surname after obsolete lighting.
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2017, 07:26:12 pm »
One wonders if there is a correlation between the amount of bollocks Southerners talk and the amount and quality of their caves  :lol:

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2017, 11:12:14 pm »
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Sorry I picked a date at random as I was at work and too busy to check it.

Dear Alex, when langcliffe posted about what it was like in the 1400s, I suspect that he knew what he what talking about, but was too modest to say so, and didn't need to go and check it.

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2017, 10:18:47 am »

THE CORNISH LANGUAGE

Sir Walter Scott wrote:
“By Tre, Pol and Pen you shall know all true Cornishmen.”

Tony Oldham wrote:
“By Tre, Pwll and Pen you shall know all true Welshmen.”

Both version mean: Town, Pool and Head [of a hill]

Cornish is very similar to Welsh and as a Welsh learner I was pleasantly surprised to find that I could recognise Cornish words like Aberplymm for Plymouth.  Aber being the estuary or mouth of a river.  Poldhu, means "black pool”.  The Welsh is Pwllddu.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/cornish.htm
accessed 041013  “Cornish (Kernewek/Kernowek/Kernuak/Curnoack).
“Cornish is a Celtic language closely related to Breton and Welsh spoken mainly in Cornwall (Kernow) and also by a few people in Australia and the USA. There are currently about 300 fluent speakers and many more people have some knowledge of the language.”


History

Cornish started to diverge from Welsh towards the end of the 7th century AD and the earliest known examples of written Cornish date from the end of the 9th century AD. These were in the form of glosses scribbled in the margins of a Latin text - Smaragdus' Commentary on Donatus. They were originally thought to be in Old Breton, but Prof. J. Loth showed in 1907 that they were in fact Old Cornish. Old Breton and Old Cornish were very similar and are easily confused.

Old Cornish was used from about 800-1250 AD and traces of it also survive in some place names in eastern Cornwall. The Cornish used between 1250 and 1550 is known as Middle or Medieval Cornish and quite a lot of literature from this period still survives, including religious plays, poems and sermons. Literature in Late or Modern Cornish, the type of Cornish used between 1550 and the end of the 19th century, includes folk tales, poems, songs, and translations from the Bible. At the end of the 19th century Cornish disappeared from everyday use and the last native speaker was probably John Davey of Zennor who died in 1891”

There is more about the last Cornish speaker, Dolly Pentreath, under Mousehole.

Then another source suggests the last Cornish speaker died in 1778. Reference:
REFORMATION TO INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION by Christopher Hill  Vol 2 1530-1780 [in the series] The Pelican Economic History of Britain reprinted 1983 page 282.

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2017, 04:16:44 pm »
Pen Y Ghent - 'Hill [which is] the boundary' in Cumbric.

Cumbric was a variety of the Common Brittonic language spoken during the Early Middle Ages in the Hen Ogledd or "Old North" in what is now Northern England and southern Lowland Scotland. It was closely related to Old Welsh and the other Brittonic languages. Place name evidence suggests Cumbric may also have been spoken as far south as Pendle and the Yorkshire Dales.

http://www.old-north.co.uk/lang_intro.html


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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2017, 04:26:02 pm »
Dear Alex, when langcliffe posted about what it was like in the 1400s, I suspect that he knew what he what talking about, but was too modest to say so, and didn't need to go and check it.

I suspect that Alex was momentarily confusing Medieval Britain with Dark Age Britain. If he had gone back yet another 600 years he would have been absolutely correct.

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2017, 09:09:08 pm »
Whilst i do agree with eberything being bolted and locked especially mines unless for public safety but thays a fairly stupid post in regards to cutting locks..... how to you suppose we stop local kids wandering into a cave thats next to the road? A cave with formations that would be destroyed by people that do not have prior knowledge or respect for underground? Now one of devons caves has had its locks cut twice this month and a show cave broken into and priceless fossils stolen!! So way to go for encouraging that!
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2017, 12:19:13 pm »
Did I hear that DGC is going to have a camera put on it. That would be hilarious fun.

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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2017, 12:27:28 pm »
The land owner already has cctv covering his land.... not sure who DGC is stu but itll be great when somebody is prosecuted for criminal damage and trespass reckin thatll be a cracking jeremy beadle moment
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2017, 02:46:08 pm »
Just realised you meant devon great consols..... im guessing you mean in particular wheal fanny..... everybody knows who picks and cuts that lock! He has been seen to do it several times.... to be fair i think the reason there is a lock on that one is to keep the public from plumeting down the pitches as its a busy woods.... i could be wrong on that as i dont tend to go down as many mines as i do caves
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Re: BCA no longer recognised in Cornwall
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2017, 07:46:40 am »
What does CBC stand for?

http://www.carbisbaycrew.co.uk/

Very interesting site

Dont expect to see it featured on the BBC!
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Actually Roy it was featured on the BBC, just last evening on Inside Out.