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Offline Ian Ball

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Re: Discover underground in Demir Kapija (Macedonia).
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2018, 06:38:18 pm »
That doesn't look a safe place to be!  :o

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Re: Discover underground in Demir Kapija (Macedonia).
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2018, 06:48:36 pm »
Experience is definitely needed for this cave. :)
but there are also more simple cavers available for beginners.

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Re: Discover underground in Demir Kapija (Macedonia).
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 08:31:42 am »
Demir Kapija is an excellent place not only for speleology, but also for climbing and any outdoor activity  :bounce:

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2018, 12:07:35 pm »
The Vardar Wall looks amazing!

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2018, 03:42:23 pm »
Yes, a beautiful wall and almost unclimbing main part.

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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2018, 05:36:30 am »
According to the legends, the cave I write about can be very long. :-\
In my place there is no strong speleo club for organizing an expedition.
Need a team and time to conduct research from the camp next.
Therefore, I am writing to the forum to search for enthusiasts lubyushchy new discoveries and having experience of independent work.
I am very interested to know the real size of the cave  :read:

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Re: Discover underground in Demir Kapija (Macedonia).
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2018, 02:32:47 pm »
Only 90 kms from the Skopje airport too.

Are there any records of exploration in that area?


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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2018, 06:27:06 pm »
Most of the caves in Demir Kapija are not fully explored. Very little information available  :shrug:

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2018, 06:45:03 pm »
I am not a caver - more climbers.
But I do a lot of hikes in the area and explore something new.

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2018, 07:44:09 pm »
As I said, there are also simple but interesting caves.
 For example, I went to the "White Water" cave with my son.
Cave length about 900m
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Re: Discover underground in Demir Kapija (Macedonia).
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2018, 10:34:16 pm »
Would you be able to arrange free camping for cavers who wish to explore and map the caves in your area?

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Re: Discover underground in Demir Kapija (Macedonia).
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2018, 10:37:35 pm »
Do you have snow, and if so do you know when it melts and the caves are ok to explore?

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2018, 06:19:47 am »
Usually there is no snow at our heights, or it falls for a short period and melts quickly. Snow does not bother me for hiking and for exploring in the winter.
Photos that you see at the beginning of the message were taken on January 2
Unexplored Caves are located 2-3 hours walk from the village.
You must be prepared that some group should live autonomously in a wild camp near the cave. Otherwise it is not possible to advance far in one day.
The cave "White Water" is located very close to camping. But a good description of the cave still does not exist. passed the main passage to the lake, but there are other corridors
It is hard for me to make my camp completely free for researchers - but I can provide significant discounts

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Re: Discover underground in Demir Kapija (Macedonia).
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2018, 01:50:39 am »
It is hard for me to make my camp completely free for researchers - but I can provide significant discounts


Estimate the cost for 5 people in March/April, and I'll have a think, no promises.


If you wish, you can personal message me the response to this message.

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Re: Discover underground in Demir Kapija (Macedonia).
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2018, 01:58:45 am »
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2018, 06:23:34 am »
Sorry for late answer. The cost of living in a campsite is so small. The price is 6 euros per person for accommodation in a tent or caravan, the hostel is 11 euros. For a team that really will explore the caves, I can do 4 and 8, respectively. You can make a base camp at the campsite and a forward camp near the cave. In the base camp, I will take the cost only when you really sleep there. While you are in the forward camp, your cars and tents can stay for free. My personal involvement and help as a guide and instructor, we can discuss further  :coffee: