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Offline Keiran.A

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practice at climbing wall.
« on: September 09, 2019, 08:43:43 pm »
there's the wording on the BCA card (“SURFACE and underground caving ACTIVITIES”) and in the Q31 in the BCA's PL FAQ’s regarding NON-CAVERS membership the only thing i could find in the BCA 2019 FAQ's refers to training as "NON-caving activities", the bca card covers "caving activities" 😅.  So i was struggling to CLEARLY PROVE to a centre we have PL insurance to train there.

Howard Jones, BCA insurance manager, was able to direct me to a link on the BCA's site to the Broker's confirmation of cover. He's caving atm so hasn't been able to go into it too much but i appreciated him taking the time.
It states “Any activity recognised or approved by the insured, including but not limited to:
... caving for a pastime ...associated pursuits with instructions and other activities relative to the general encouragement of...sporting caving and mine research.”
That’s the closest it comes to mentioning training.

However David Botcherby, CHECC president, pointed me to the "Guidelines for Higher Education Caving Clubs" in which on page 4, under insurance, it says:
"BCA insurance covers all recognized caving activities and those related to the sport.... Above-ground training activities, such as use of climbing walls, trees etc. are also covered by the policy."
Botch also pointed me to a link to these guidelines on the BCA website so to the climbing wall it should all look pretty legit.

https://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=legal_insurance:faq_2019_05.pdf

https://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=legal_insurance:twimc_2019.pdf

CHECC GUIDELINES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE:
https://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/doku.php?id=youth_development:start

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Re: practice at climbing wall.
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2019, 08:46:05 pm »
Is there a question in there, somewhere?

Offline Keiran.A

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Re: practice at climbing wall.
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2019, 08:53:49 pm »
no just thought i'd share incase it could help and Pegasus had said about putting it on UKCaving.k x

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Re: practice at climbing wall.
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2019, 09:30:34 pm »
no just thought i'd share incase it could help and Pegasus had said about putting it on UKCaving.k x

What I saw originally posted elsewhere was this:

BCA PUBLIC LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR TRAINING ABOVE GROUND ([SRT practice at a] climbing wall [centre])?

Apart from the wording on the card (“SURFACE and underground caving ACTIVITIES”) and in the Q31 in the PL FAQ’s regarding NON-CAVERS membership, Is there an easy way to CLEARLY PROVE to a climbing wall we have PL insurance to train there?

https://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/lib/exe/fetch.php


That was what I suggested posting as it includes a question :) which looks like has since been answered....

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Re: practice at climbing wall.
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2019, 08:55:17 am »
I reckon there's a very good argument that training before going underground actually lowers the overall caving insurance risk. That point might usefully be made to the underwriters if there's any question about covering such related activities.

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Re: practice at climbing wall.
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2019, 08:14:03 am »
Sounds great Pegasus, link came up as "Bad request" in my browser though 😢.k xx

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Re: practice at climbing wall.
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2019, 08:52:05 am »
From BCA Insurance FAQ Q31

31 Q:Do non-cavers membership benefits include insurance?

A:Non  caving  members  of  clubs  also  benefit  from  the  insurance  since  it  covers  non-caving activities  such  as meetings, conferences, training and other activities. Non-caving club members are at just as much risk from a third party claim as caving members since in law they have joint and several liability for the club’s actions.


see https://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=legal_insurance:faq_2019_05.pdf