I think its time for people to give facebook a miss, I wont do it, full stop.
Quote from: royfellows on February 18, 2021, 05:25:20 pmI think its time for people to give facebook a miss, I wont do it, full stop.Agree, 100%. Stay away from it; its a vile cess pit that will rot your soul.
Perhaps it is my age but everybody gets too worked about these things. They are free for God's Sake (you can argue that they are stealing your data but basically you don't pay for it). It's the same as the forum i.e. a lot of rubbish gets posted but it can be a useful communication tool. I use it and it's fun. If it went something would replace it. Get over it. I still have stamps and envelopes and a land line if everything else went !
I think you made my point for me John in there are too many ways to communicate nowadays. We had a trip to Thailand and we were split between two sites for accommodation about a kilometer apart. It took me most of the trip to realize that communications were being conducted via Facebook rather than text or email: nobody bothered to tell us. I have found messages to me on Facebook sent months before by people who have my email. It's like sending pigeons when we have a postal service.
Forums can have private groups too, it's just more that most choose not to implement them. We all know what goes on in VIP lounges
Bottom line is, if folk only post caving news on Facebook, a great many cavers will not be reached. A great deal of knowledge and experience will not be tapped into.
I do find it bizarre though that an organisation like the CSCC for example refuses to publish news or notices on here under their own name. Surely such an organisation should embrace all available options to get its messages out...
If you find Facebook is a vile place full of hideous people you are telling us more about yourself and your friends than is really necessary.Most people I know only interact with friends and groups they've elected to join. I always thought this was the default option.All my friends and members of the group's I'm in are smashing chaps (even the ladies) and I therefore have a lovely time.I find some of the people on this forum to be far more bullying, opinionated and rude than anyone I chose to interact with on Facebook.Then again I'm quite a delicate flower.Just saying, I know I don't have to visit this forum or Facebook.
What's needed is a single internet source, accessible to all.We're reading it, right now. I bet Pegasus would agree . . .
If it weren't so difficult, time consuming to post photos on here it would be a dream.
When I used to post on the UKC FB page a couple of years ago, the post would reach many 100's of people who had 'liked' the page, often in the 1000's - these days it's barely 10-20% of those who have liked the page. Obviously FB would like UKC to PAY for our post to be shared. I'd rather put any money back into caving, not further line the pockets of the billionaire owners.
I'm a tad confused about the Australia thing too. I never get my news from Facebook, Google news yes, the BBC and channel 4 and occasionally Al Jazeera.
One thing that Facebook does that the forum doesn't is private members groups, which can be easily created and self-administered. The creator is at liberty to appoint administrators and admit or remove members at their leisure, as well as choose their preferred privacy settings.
Imo the BCA should be paying Facebook for advertising if it wants to recruit more cavers generally, as should any club who's objectives are the same. It's just how the world is now. And of course they want people to pay - it's a business. Then again, Facebook is for old people - have you considered getting a UKC tiktok?
"BCA are however welcome to use UKC for free"
Quote "BCA are however welcome to use UKC for free"Whilst I love ripping on the BCA as much as anyone, I tried to get a "BCA Conservation" account on UKC (which I did email about last year) when I took up the post, which failed, and I've just tried again, which again failed as I haven't been able to verify the account. So it's not an intentional snubbing, more that we haven't actually been able to sign up. I think Rostam might be having similar issues.
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