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Suez Canal blockage
« on: March 26, 2021, 07:51:12 pm »
What’s the problem I’m sure the combined might of the worlds cave diggers would have that barge out in a jiffy. A few (thousand) drag trays, rope and many beers required. Oh hang on we can’t actually go there right now.
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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2021, 07:52:52 pm »
I'm sure that one digger they've got on the job will have it out in no time... :coffee:
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2021, 08:17:29 pm »
It seems like the equivalent of trying to drive a giant truck up a country lane without touching the hedge. "It's just too big mate" is what someone should have said. But no-one did, clearly. They will next time, one hopes. Or start digging a bigger one sharpish. I do wonder sometimes about so-called clever people.

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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2021, 08:37:00 pm »
Yes it’s all the clever people that got the world into this environmental catastrophe and it’s going to take cleverer people to get the
World out of it. And a lot of willpower.
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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2021, 08:57:45 pm »
Evergreen used to run smaller ships as a policy. It also helps if the canal is a tad wider.

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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2021, 10:39:44 pm »
I went down the Suez Canal in the early 90's on an empty 351m x 55m Very Large Crude Carrier (VLCC). At 400m x 59m the Ever Given is an Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC). 

It was quite an experience, though I did spend an awful lot of the passage abseiling down the inside of the empty cargo tanks checking the thickness of the steel hull.

We had a Pilot come onboard for the narrow bits.

There are Suez Canal Simulators that Captains and Officers can use to gain additional qualifications. The simulators were developed because of the known issues of being blown off course in the Canal and having little room for error on the Bridge when things do start to go wrong.

It has been widened in places in recent years, but sadly not the bit at the Red Sea end.

I use the MarineTraffic app they talk about on the TV for work and I've been watching how things have been progressing. 

There seems to be an awful lot more marine traffic going round the bottom of Africa than I've noticed before.

If they don't manage to re-float it on Sunday's high tide it could have some serious consequences to trade if they then have to start removing 20,000 20' shipping containers. They reckon it could take up to 3 weeks.

The Ever Given is on the link below (if it works)

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:32.583/centery:30.017/zoom:16

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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2021, 11:35:20 pm »
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Yes it’s all the clever people that got the world into this environmental catastrophe and it’s going to take cleverer people to get the

Hi Loki, that’s an interesting observation; I assume that you mean that ‘clever people developed the technology and social systems etc. that enabled (some of) the people of the world to get into this environmental catastrophe’ . . . but the rest of the (not-clever people?) were quite happy to follow their lead and take on board what was on offer and fuck up the planet? (By default, rather than by design, of course.)

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2021, 09:42:45 am »
It's somewhat greener on the banks of the Suez Canal than I envisaged -


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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2021, 10:01:45 am »
That's the scenic route.

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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2021, 09:40:30 pm »
Well done for sorting it, Paul.  :lol:

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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2021, 03:55:50 pm »
that’s an interesting observation; I assume that you mean that ‘clever people developed the technology and social systems etc. that enabled (some of) the people of the world to get into this environmental catastrophe’ . . . but the rest of the (not-clever people?) were quite happy to follow their lead and take on board what was on offer and fuck up the planet? (By default, rather than by design, of course.)
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In a way yes. I’m not suggesting everyone else is/was not clever but as you say we all went along with it without thought of the consequences - because no one realised when many technologies were invented what the effect would be.  Even when many of us now know what’s happening the people who have the power to stop us haven’t got the guts to stop us. We all have to wake up and stop consuming everything individually- the governments don’t give a &@“£.
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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2021, 04:59:11 pm »
Interesting article in yesterday's Grauniad

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Capt Ranjan Chowdhury, who sailed the Suez canal frequently during his 35-year maritime career, said the canal pilots, mandated by the SCA to steer transiting ships and aid tricky navigation on the waterway, contributed to problems.

“The canal pilots play music inside the bridge, and there’s a lack of AIS-supported backup,” he said, in reference to the tracking system used on ships. “They connect to it with a computer, but the canal pilots are very over-confident when it comes to navigating by sight. Every time they’re eating food, smoking, talking a lot and asking for bribes which keeps them very busy. Navigation is an art, and if you lose concentration for a second while navigating a narrow channel, it should be investigated.”

“We call the Suez canal Marlboro country,” he added. “If we provide them with a big carton of Marlboro cigarettes they’re happy. Not every captain has done their homework before transiting through the Suez canal.”

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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2021, 07:07:17 pm »
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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2021, 08:40:40 pm »
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2021, 10:04:22 pm »
Ah, well, now, you see...erm...

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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2021, 11:34:38 am »
Have they tried swooshing something up and down to make a big wave? Something similar worked in our bog the other day  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2021, 02:05:02 pm »
Just give it a bit of ex-lax.

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2021, 02:14:26 pm »
Or maybe  a bit of Dr. Nobel's instant excavator might shift it....
Dirty old mines need love too....

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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2021, 04:08:34 pm »
I had taken ttxela's comment partially seriously too - a big bang a couple of miles upstream of the boat would surely make a big wave? I'm sure there's enough explosives experts in the world could engineer a 5m-high sideways-only blast to create a one-off tsunami? Low-budget TV channels are full of this shit, 24-7. They could even get some danger-prick to surf it simultaneously and then they'd have another TV hit ;)

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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2021, 05:45:47 pm »
Mark Wright said;

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Ever Given is an Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC)

Pedant hat on - Ever Given is a container ship (a very big one) and not a ULCC which would be a tanker.

Bigger ships (certainly wider ones such as aircraft carriers) can transit the canal, but every ship that does so has to meet certain dimensional constraints (not just beam and length) before being authorised to do so.  It will be very interesting to see what the inevitable inquiry will find with regards to the causes of this.

At the end of the day, 400,000t of ship has an awful lot of inertia and extremely difficult to unstick even if it grounded at modest speed.  Especially somewhere with next to no tidal range (c.30cm from memory).

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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2021, 06:17:56 pm »
Mark Wright said;

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Ever Given is an Ultra Large Crude Carrier (ULCC)

Pedant hat on - Ever Given is a container ship (a very big one) and not a ULCC which would be a tanker.

Bigger ships (certainly wider ones such as aircraft carriers) can transit the canal, but every ship that does so has to meet certain dimensional constraints (not just beam and length) before being authorised to do so.  It will be very interesting to see what the inevitable inquiry will find with regards to the causes of this.

At the end of the day, 400,000t of ship has an awful lot of inertia and extremely difficult to unstick even if it grounded at modest speed.  Especially somewhere with next to no tidal range (c.30cm from memory).

You are correct. That’s cutting and pasting and not checking afterwards for you. It is indeed an Ultra Large Container Ship (ULCS).

Anyway it looks like it’s free now and being towed back to the Red Sea for inspection. I’m only assuming this as it looks like the Ever Given has turned off it’s radars and so is not showing up on Marine Traffic. A large tug boat going backwards gives it away though. We will have to wait for the incident report.

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2021, 06:32:53 pm »
Just watching the BBC news that says ships will soon be allowed to continue through the canal on a first come first served basis.

When I went down it, ‘first come first served’ meant whoever handed over the biggest brown paper bag stuffed with money or cigarettes to the luxury powerboat went first.

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2021, 07:59:15 pm »
Isn't that the 'Law of the Sea'? I naturally assumed all of it worked like that ;)

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Re: Suez Canal blockage
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2021, 08:34:39 pm »
Did they try this first?


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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2021, 09:55:38 pm »
Isn't that the 'Law of the Sea'? I naturally assumed all of it worked like that ;)

That is an interface between the sea and a parcel of God-damned lubbers and lickspittles.

Here’s some hard-working canal chaps who are chillaxing after some very extensive palm-greasing has left them exhausted for the day.


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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2021, 11:32:37 am »
The bow was in Asia and the stern in Africa. Wow!
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« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2021, 08:40:05 am »
Seems to be a fashionable trend now.  Littlehampton in West Sussex has also been blocked.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19197545.cargo-ship-elise-gets-stuck-littlehampton-harbour-drifting-early-hours/


 

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