Looks like The North Face are now supporting active damage to caves and Speleothems. The further issue is I've already seen a comment around saying "Let's try this in the Dales"...... https://www.facebook.com/.../a.95211196.../1639754326210248/https://www.instagram.com/p/CON68gAB1cy/
North Face has sponsored the desecration of a fine array of formations, with the use of chalk,
Quote from: David Rose on May 02, 2021, 07:03:53 pmNorth Face has sponsored the desecration of a fine array of formations, with the use of chalk, Although I disapprove of any sort of sponsorship for this type of activity, are chalk and calcite not made of exactly the same stuff,I can also think of several places in the Peak District, where cavers have taken considerably less care, ascending calcite ramps and walls to access new passages
I don't see any difference between it and those lads that filmed themselves spray painting in Giants
The full article (with their justifications & others' comments):http://onceuponaclimb.co.uk/portfolio-posts/underground-climbing/https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1639754449543569&id=169053393280356&anchor_composer=falseWe'll see if the film appears on Wednesday...
Cavers, collectively over the years have been totally responsible for the desecration of flowstone formations in their quest to explore further, which may well be excusable in the first instance of virgin exploration, but these formations often then just become part of a trade route and suffer accordingly.
Looks like they placed a few bolts and gingerly climbed out. No worse than any cavers actions underground.
Except that it was climbed simply for the thrill of climbing it, to reach a point that was already accessible by another better route (eg, walking to it from outside). The damage caused here was completely avoidable and may well inspire others to do similar avoidable damage elsewhere.
Quote from: PeteHall on May 04, 2021, 10:17:31 amExcept that it was climbed simply for the thrill of climbing it, to reach a point that was already accessible by another better route (eg, walking to it from outside). The damage caused here was completely avoidable and may well inspire others to do similar avoidable damage elsewhere.Yeah - totally agree. Pure publicity stunt as per usual with those two. But I'm just not sure the derision voiced on here is quite warranted. As far as I could see, they didn't really damage anything.
... ... No such thing as bad publicity etc..
I'd like to see them try climb Diccan, in winter full flow LoL, that being said the commercialisation of caving, is going to cause a massive spike in CRO callouts, from inexperienced people in caves, ill Equipped thinking they are Indiana Jones, If that happens will we have to look at a cap, key, and permit system, on caves grade 3 and higher, with life-changing verticality, with a vertical cavers proficiency card, and will we have to have even more protections for SSSI's the list of problems this could create are phenomenal, but I guess only time will tell, I would Urge the BCA & BCRA to release a statement on their stance of climbing in caves, using chalk ect... and trad gear like cam's and nuts, instead of designated bolts, With a Re-release of the dangers of using dynamic rope in caves, and the sharp edges of eroded limestone,
A Statement on our Underground Project:As climbers, we take great care in our approach to our natural playground. The very ethos of being a trad-climber is defined by its ‘leave no trace’ philosophy and this is a guiding principle that runs through everything we do, not just as climbers, but as people.As professional athletes, we’re privileged to have the opportunity to explore the world around us, to go to places rarely touched by human hand and experience nature at its wildest. We recognise with this privilege comes a responsibility to ensure we not only leave no trace, but to actively help promote good environmental practices through our content.Throughout many years of exploration, we have always made a concentrated effort to educate ourselves on, and adhere to, local ethics, practises and traditions. We do this by seeking expert advice from different fields before undertaking any expedition. Our recent Underground Project was no exception and we followed guidance from experienced caving experts. Whilst we felt safe in the knowledge that we had the support and guidance of local experts, we are now aware that our understanding of the diverse caving practises and conservation efforts on a global level were limited.We’d like to, not only, apologise for causing concern in the caving community, but take steps to educate ourselves and other climbers on the importance of cave structures and ethics. We are now speaking with both local and global caving associations to organise educational sessions for ourselves and other climbers to be better informed and educated on the issue, and will be proactively looking at other ways we can help preserve and protect caves and cave structures in any future exploration. As ever, we continue to learn and grow and appreciate the diverse communities we connect with. We will share more details on our actions to support the world of caving as soon as we can.
It looks a lot from FB like their mate Phil Bence, who is a caver (supposedly at least), told them this was fine. So basically it looks like they were horribly mislead by someone who should have known better. In other words, direct your vitriol not at the climbers who didn't know better, but the caver who told them this was fine... (and then put up a spirited defence on FB arguing this)
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