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Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« on: July 09, 2021, 01:32:37 pm »
Just a reminder that the deadline for running for elected positions on BCA council is coming up.

https://british-caving.org.uk/council-elections-deadline-monday-26th-july-midnight/

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2021, 02:14:23 pm »
Rostam - a while ago I looked for the minutes of council meetings on the BCA website but couldn't easily find them.  Soon gave up.  For interest, where are they and any committee minutes located.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2021, 02:54:05 pm »
https://british-caving.org.uk/about-bca/bca-council/official-documents/

About BCA>BCA Council>Official Documents

We're a bit overdue a shuffle of some of the pages as somethings are a bit tricky to find but the ITWG understandably have their hands full.
I've added a feedback form at the bottom of the home page of the website if you find any other issues, proof reading the website is always welcome!
(the link for the form is https://cloud.british-caving.org.uk/index.php/apps/forms/ANdW7s3C9EMjEYSc)

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2021, 12:59:58 pm »
A reminder that the deadline for nominations, proposals, etc. is nearly upon us - it's midnight on Monday, 26th. July.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2021, 01:08:10 pm »
A further update on what's been submitted to the AGM and who's running:
british-caving.org.uk/agm-update/

In short:
– Rostam Namaghi and Russell Myers both running for Chairman
– Allan Richardson running for Secretary
– Josh White running for Group Member Representative
– Steve Gray running for Training Officer

Here's the title of the proposals

Proposals affecting the constitution:
1. Change Chairman/Chairmen to Chair
2. Section 10.1 Revision proposal
3. Standing Committee and Working Group Overhaul
4. Revisions to Section 6 and Section 8

Proposals NOT affecting the constitution
5. Proposal 5: Update to the Equality and Diversity Policy
6. Proposal 6: Increase Membership Fee

if it entices further reading https://british-caving.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/20210729AGMProposals.pdf

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2021, 02:27:09 pm »
Interesting stuff Rostam.  Good luck with the election to Chair. 

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2021, 04:09:26 pm »
How can proposals and nominations for the 2021 AGM be closed before the minutes of the 2020 AGM minutes are available? Or indeed most of the 2021 council minutes? How do I know what I should be proposing when I'm not part of the clique and don't know what's been happened over the last 9 months?

I know Covid and all and I'm very grateful for what you all do for British Caving, but come on.....

Also when is the AGM? Its not on the events calendar, its not obvious on the home page and I needed to dig through several news items to find it :)

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2021, 05:50:23 pm »
I have requested the draft minutes several times over the last 4 months and was told at the council meeting on the 26th that the executive have a copy, so it seems I'm out of the clique too. I have requested this copy again today and will publish it as soon as I get a copy. You are backed up by clause 6.13 of the constitution for this by the way.

There was a proposal at the Council meeting on Tuesday that stated that we vote to do the AGM the same way as last year (without a copy of the motion that made it possible). I could not vote on this motion for several reasons.

I've dug through my past emails and fished out some of the previous minutes, I've slightly mucked up the table and put them in the past years table with no idea how to move them up so will let Ari know. But they are there now (this is normally done by the secretary but they are still new to the position).

The AGM is on Sunday the 10th of October 2021 and I'll try update the calendar.

Thanks Ben

If you notice anything else missing do let me know.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2021, 07:44:17 pm »
I used to remember AGM's being held in June or July  :ang:

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8.11) There shall be an Annual General Meeting of the Association which shall be held during the month of June each year or as soon as reasonable thereafter.
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Will RM/RN keep AGM's as being in October in weather that people are "more willing" to be inside for long periods of time, or revert back to June and/or July for the sweltering weather which makes people want to finish up faster and get caving/walking/anything but stewing their brains out.  :blink:

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2021, 08:04:05 pm »
I used to remember AGM's being held in June or July  :ang:

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8.11) There shall be an Annual General Meeting of the Association which shall be held during the month of June each year or as soon as reasonable thereafter.
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Will RM/RN keep AGM's as being in October in weather that people are "more willing" to be inside for long periods of time, or revert back to June and/or July for the sweltering weather which makes people want to finish up faster and get caving/walking/anything but stewing their brains out.  :blink:

There was a vote at council at some point that due to the secretary and chair being new since the turn of the year, the AGM should be a year since the last one, rather than reverting to June/July.

I personally voted against it, as did others, as I didn't see the point in delaying, however the majority of council did. I'll try and find the minutes where this happened in a moment.
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2021, 08:17:21 pm »
https://british-caving.org.uk/documents/council-minutes-feb-2021/

Item 11 :)

someones been revising! Thanks for finding. Couldn't remember if this was one of the minutes that had named votes or grouped. Unfortunately it's grouped in this instance, meaning lower accountability for elected officers.
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2021, 08:23:28 pm »
Will RM/RN keep AGM's as being in October in weather that people are "more willing" to be inside for long periods of time, or revert back to June and/or July for the sweltering weather which makes people want to finish up faster and get caving/walking/anything but stewing their brains out.  :blink:

I wanted to restore it back to June and also opposed the delay. Guess that means I'll knock a few months off my term if I were to win

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2021, 09:06:04 pm »
Does the fact that there are two people standing for chair suggest there are factions within BCA supporting both camps?  I would have thought it prudent for the older incumbent to stand down when a younger enthusiastic moderniser puts himself forward.  Especially when the incumbent only moved up to fill a post left by a resignation.  As Rostam has shown his commitment to BCA and quite some experience over the years as Y&D, P&I officer etc I'd certainly be backing him.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2021, 09:29:15 pm »
I thought that the "modernisers" wanted to make the BCA more democratic. I think that means that both candidates should stand and the members get the chance to choose.


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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2021, 09:30:22 pm »
I wouldn't want the BCA to be drawn into the image of having infighting (again). I think there are two candidates who both want the role, and hopefully welcome the idea of having 'competition' as much as I welcome having an actual choice of candidates for a change.

I would also like to think that the unsuccessful candidate won't be disheartened and be reluctant to go for another role on council in the future.
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2021, 11:02:21 pm »
Since both Chairman and Secretary were only coopted into their new posts at the very beginning of 2021, after an unprecedented series of withdrawls and resignations for various reasons (which have been going on since 2019 !) it was probably too much to ask for them to organise an AGM in June 2021, which would have meant starting the preparations 18 weeks before then.  Although it would have been good to be able to revert to June this year, even going for a date at the very end of June would have meant the preparations had to start, according to the current constitution, 18 weeks prior to that date, that is by 7th. February.

Additionally, it seemed likely that the 2021 AGM would have to be held online, as was the 2020 AGM, because no-one could be sure whether a large body of people meeting together would be possible, even as late in the year as October.  It isn't ideal but there is the experience from 2020 to draw on and it was always going to be a steep learning curve after BCA just managed it last year.  However the appropriate constitutional deadlines have been met to enable us to hold an AGM in October 2021 - though maybe they haven't always been communicated as effectively as possible to the members.  However, communication with members has come under a different system this year and seems to be now the remit of the Publications/publicity/information officer rather than the Secretary or Chairman.

The organisation of the AGM would have been far more effective if it had been possible to inform all BCA members direct, by email/facebook/twitter or even an individually targeted Newsletter, of the various deadline dates but, as it isn't yet possible, there is at least the website to rely on.  This isn't infallible because not everyone checks the website every day and various other means have to be used as well - don't forget not all cavers are glued to their mobile phones or frantically twittering to each other all the time; nor does everyone follow online forums.

A lesson possibly to be learned for next year, when the proposal is to revert to a date in June but to accept that the AGM may well be online, is that there should be a clear statement on the website (and on all appropriate forums) for all to see as early as possible: a notification of the date of the AGM itself, together with all necessary deadline dates and all posts up for election.  This may change during the course of the year as people make up their minds not to continue in post for another year, allowing the notification to be amended accordingly; this happened at the last minute this year, some withdrawals not reaching the Secretary after the deadline date for nominations.

My own opinion is that what BCA badly needs is a period of stability so we can stop navel-gazing and get on with working for the members.  There are enough external threats and worries to remind us that BCA needs to put forward a united front on behalf of all cavers.  Therre are a lot of people out there working their socks off to enable cavers to do their thing with the minimum of hassle and BCA should be supporting and backing this in every way possible.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2021, 07:30:26 am »
Since both Chairman and Secretary were only coopted into their new posts at the very beginning of 2021

Allan's a great guy, and I have to admit my question was a little tongue in cheek.

Still find it hard to believe he can wear shorts and sandals in the depths of winter.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2021, 04:15:52 pm »
Since both Chairman and Secretary were only coopted into their new posts at the very beginning of 2021, after an unprecedented series of withdrawls and resignations for various reasons (which have been going on since 2019 !) it was probably too much to ask for them to organise an AGM in June 2021, which would have meant starting the preparations 18 weeks before then. 

Or you could look at it as only having to do the 'plug the gap' job for 6 rather than 10 months and reaching stability sooner.

However, communication with members has come under a different system this year and seems to be now the remit of the Publications/publicity/information officer rather than the Secretary or Chairman.

The remit hasn't changed, I've provided a lot of support to the executive over the last year (estimating about 3 to 4 hours a week in addition to my other BCA volunteering) and this has to be ongoing as again they are both new. What has changed is the frequency of communication (which is much greater) and the multiple platforms it has now. Systems are being automated and there has been a strong insistence that multiple people use it so that the organisation has some redundancy if it all goes Pete Tong. Currently it all looks like I'm writing it all, but most of the time I'm just doing what the executive tell me.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2021, 04:51:06 pm »
My own opinion is that what BCA badly needs is a period of stability so we can stop navel-gazing and get on with working for the members.  There are enough external threats and worries to remind us that BCA needs to put forward a united front on behalf of all cavers.  Therre are a lot of people out there working their socks off to enable cavers to do their thing with the minimum of hassle and BCA should be supporting and backing this in every way possible.

Exactly this Jenny.

This is one of the key reasons expressed a the CSCC AGM against the proposed constitutional changes. There has been so much upheaval in the organisation, that we really need to just settle down for a period of stability so that any changes are properly thought out, not a knee-jerk reaction by a transient executive, that are then changed again after the next round of resignations.

I know the arguments for change and I generally support them, but I do genuinely think that this change will be more successful and have better buy-in if it was coming from a more stable position to start with.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2021, 09:45:44 am »
Exactly this Jenny.

This is one of the key reasons expressed a the CSCC AGM against the proposed constitutional changes. There has been so much upheaval in the organisation, that we really need to just settle down for a period of stability so that any changes are properly thought out, not a knee-jerk reaction by a transient executive, that are then changed again after the next round of resignations.

I know the arguments for change and I generally support them, but I do genuinely think that this change will be more successful and have better buy-in if it was coming from a more stable position to start with.

I think this is only referring to the Section 10.1 proposals. I think that's a very reasonable argument. Unfortunately the BCA was given a very explicit and overwhelming mandate by the membership at the 2020 AGM to consider a 'new form of words' for Section 10.1 and bring it to this AGM, and we are all servants of the membership, so the BCA didn't really have any choice in this matter.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2021, 10:10:44 am »
I think this is only referring to the Section 10.1 proposals. I think that's a very reasonable argument. Unfortunately the BCA was given a very explicit and overwhelming mandate by the membership at the 2020 AGM to consider a 'new form of words' for Section 10.1 and bring it to this AGM, and we are all servants of the membership, so the BCA didn't really have any choice in this matter.

Until what is essentially the governing body of the sport can pull it's members into line, it's not fit for purpose. I think most members and prospective members that are looking forward are aware this needs to happen, hence the numbers on the vote. There is absolutely no point having a governing body that can't govern a portion of it's membership because of the actions of a few. I'm aware it's a minority, but that just adds fuel to the fire. Previously hotly contended issues such as the website that were going to absolutely, positively,  precipitate the CSCC and all it members leaving in a huff  ::) have proved to be a storm in a teacup, and now we have a far more professional looking site, and no doubt a much more efficient and easier to work with back-end.

The alternative is to ignore the mandate, stick with what we currently have, and have the membership slowly realise that as an organisation, the BCA not going to move forward... at which point it'll be a slow descent into irrelevance.
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2021, 01:18:45 pm »
Sorry but I don't buy the period of stability argument.  When has the BCA ever been stable?  Kicking difficult issues down the road, or trying to, has been the go to approach for all the years I've known BCA.  It is usually because a minority, (often a disruptive and vocal group), don't want change or to lose any perceived control.  Huge amounts of volunteer resources are exhausted trying to get anywhere and when eventually something is sorted and changed it rarely has any of the impact those who fought against it thought it would have.  Examples are plain to see in changes to the website, regional funding, anchor policy, access policy, training scheme and removing sentences from the constitution. 

The volunteer resource is hugely valuable to caving but so much of it is wasted.  it would be nice to see BCA working well and together to put into place those issues the democratic process has given it a mandate to develop and to stop trying to find ways of obstructing or delaying those mandates and the process.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2021, 03:19:31 pm »
Until what is essentially the governing body of the sport can pull it's members into line, it's not fit for purpose.

I would argue that the BCA is not and should not be a governing body. The BCA shouldn't be pulling it's members into line but rather changing its position to fall in line with the views of its members.

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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2021, 05:55:33 pm »
Until what is essentially the governing body of the sport can pull it's members into line, it's not fit for purpose.

I would argue that the BCA is not and should not be a governing body. The BCA shouldn't be pulling it's members into line but rather changing its position to fall in line with the views of its members.

What about bca member clubs not allowing other bca member clubs access to sites, shouldn't bca intervene to make access more inclusive

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2021, 06:13:57 pm »
Until what is essentially the governing body of the sport can pull it's members into line, it's not fit for purpose.

I would argue that the BCA is not and should not be a governing body. The BCA shouldn't be pulling it's members into line but rather changing its position to fall in line with the views of its members.

In order to be members of the association all members need to abide by the rules of the association, which are agreed by the membership and amended at AGM's with voting by the membership. This would imply that if the members aren't in line with the BCA's position, then those members are in a minority and the BCA's position represents the majority.

The beauty of an AGM is that people can suggest changes and the association constantly evolves and updates with changing views. My proposal for the AGM is to update the equality and diversity policy, there are some who may disagree with some of the changes (or even the existence of the policy), and it is utterly their right to vote against the proposal, however I imagine and hope that the majority will vote for the changes, reaffirming that the association represents the majority. If your actions are not in line with BCA's, then the BCA should have some sort of way of 'bringing it's members into line' for not abiding by the rules of the association.

just my tuppence worth  :coffee:

It's also possibly worth splitting this topic in two to keep the 'what is the BCA's remit' argument separate from the information specifically about the elections themselves.
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2021, 06:51:09 pm »
[quote author=cavemanmike link=topic=28263.msg347651#msg347651 date=16277505
What about bca member clubs not allowing other bca member clubs access to sites, shouldn't bca intervene to make access more inclusive
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Its an interesting question although I'm not aware of one member club preventing access of another.

Access is often controlled on behalf of the landowner by individuals, by clubs or regional organisations. This generally seems to work well and in the few cases where it doesn't then I think it is a matter that would be best resolved locally rather than at a national level.
 

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2021, 07:26:26 pm »
What about bca member clubs not allowing other bca member clubs access to sites, shouldn't bca intervene to make access more inclusive

Its an interesting question although I'm not aware of one member club preventing access of another.

Access is often controlled on behalf of the landowner by individuals, by clubs or regional organisations. This generally seems to work well and in the few cases where it doesn't then I think it is a matter that would be best resolved locally rather than at a national level.

or access controlling bodies, that are themselves member clubs of the BCA
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2021, 07:31:20 pm »
Try living in North Wales  :annoyed: :annoyed:
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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2021, 08:04:04 pm »
changing its position to fall in line with the views of its members.
If you said the majority of it's members, sure. The issue lies when the small, vocal minority actively derail and hinder progress that has been clearly voted for and mandated by the majority of it's members. As it stands, the BCA is toothless and cannot do a damn thing about it. Until that changes, despite efforts from some very passionate and hardworking people, the BCA is not fit for purpose.
Its an interesting question although I'm not aware of one member club preventing access of another.
I also live in N.Wales. I don't have to worry about the things Mike does. I'll happily chuck out names, I've done it before, and my names mud as it is, they know I don't care what they think. Just for avoidance of doubt, I'm not a member of Mike's club, what I say is my own opinion and should not reflect upon them.
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2021, 08:33:58 pm »
As it stands, the BCA is toothless and cannot do a damn thing about it.

It will always be toothless; the only sanction(s) it can bring are to expel members; they will then simply continue caving independently. There is no national governing body and never can be for that reason alone.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2021, 08:38:51 pm »
I don't live in North Wales but have caved there a few times and visited quite a few of its mines. I've never had an issue with other cavers/mine explorers preventing access but I have spent time getting to know the right people and treating them with respect rather than demanding access. Maybe I have been lucky with this, but its worked for me.

For BCA to be representative it cannot only represent the views the majority. It must also represent those whose views differ. This involves compromise and a lot of effort to bring people together rather than attacking people who see things differently.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2021, 09:44:25 pm »
...but I have spent time getting to know the right people and treating them with respect rather than demanding access.

You think I and many others haven't tried that? You think Hostility is the go-to position? Take your implication and condescension and shove it. That's as polite as I get.
This is born out of frustration, there's only so much you can beat your head against a brick wall.

As for the "opinions who differ"... the negotiating route has been tried numerous times. You can't negotiate with people who have no intention of changing positions or compromising. That time has been and gone, and it';s not through lack of effort on many volunteers parts.

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« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2021, 10:33:36 am »
Moderator Comment Whilst the conversation has drifted slightly from the Council Elections I do think that the discussion of the purpose and purview of the BCA is interesting and valuable, particularly ahead of the AGM. Let's keep personal stuff out of it please - it would be a shame to see a good discussion sidetracked!
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2021, 11:15:04 am »
I agree with Badad,  if it is not right it should be changed rather than sticking with something wrong just because it is easier.

Is there any wriggling way a post with no one standing can be filled now?

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2021, 11:52:01 am »
I agree with Badad,  if it is not right it should be changed rather than sticking with something wrong just because it is easier.

Is there any wriggling way a post with no one standing can be filled now?

I believe that you can still apply for posts, the equivalent to 'standing from the floor' (or whatever the phrase is) at old face to face AGMs. one of the constitutional boffins might correct me here though.

The alternative would be that council can co-opt people into roles if required after the AGM. For some roles I would see this as a sensible options, however in my opinion if the individual/group representative roles aren't filled, I can't see the value in co-opting people for the sake of it. Council is already too large, and for the most part I don't see huge amounts of value added by individual/group members (aware that I am one myself and am running again, but would hope that my council activity would speak for itself).
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2021, 08:02:50 pm »
I agree with Badad,  if it is not right it should be changed rather than sticking with something wrong just because it is easier.

Is there any wriggling way a post with no one standing can be filled now?

I believe that you can still apply for posts, the equivalent to 'standing from the floor' (or whatever the phrase is) at old face to face AGMs. one of the constitutional boffins might correct me here though.

The alternative would be that council can co-opt people into roles if required after the AGM. For some roles I would see this as a sensible options, however in my opinion if the individual/group representative roles aren't filled, I can't see the value in co-opting people for the sake of it. Council is already too large, and for the most part I don't see huge amounts of value added by individual/group members (aware that I am one myself and am running again, but would hope that my council activity would speak for itself).

knew I'd seen it somewhere.

In one of the later articles on the BCA website
https://british-caving.org.uk/agm-update/

you can still apply for the roles using the link within this article.
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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2021, 07:24:17 pm »
Please note that the agenda has been released:
https://british-caving.org.uk/agm-agenda/

The draft minutes for the previous AGM have also been made available.

Note that there is a further proposal going to the AGM regarding BCA anchor policy which was not previously listed.

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2021, 09:05:25 am »
The draft minutes of the last AGM don't download and show as an error for me.  The AGM agenda works fine.

I'd like to see a matching statement from Rostam in the agenda to compare with the one published for the incumbent chair. 

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2021, 09:13:32 am »
The draft minutes of the last AGM don't download and show as an error for me.  The AGM agenda works fine.

Thanks for the heads up, I've now fixed this :thumbsup:

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2021, 09:15:21 pm »
The draft minutes of the last AGM don't download and show as an error for me.  The AGM agenda works fine.

I'd like to see a matching statement from Rostam in the agenda to compare with the one published for the incumbent chair.

It's on the website now

https://british-caving.org.uk/hustings-for-bca-chair/

I had assumed that the election statements were going out on the website and in the reports section and I only found out the day before the AGM was due to go out on night shifts. The person I do feel sorry for is Josh who had his statement done ages ago and filled it in on the application form prior to the nomination deadline. I'm making a page with all the candidates and proposals going for election.

Here is the statement from that news article on the website:

My name’s Rostam and I’ve been a caver for 12 years, starting with Sheffield University (SUSS) and am now a member of the Wealden, the BEC and UCET. I’ve been lucky enough to travel all over the world and have 15 or so expeditions under my belt. Caving invested in me early, taught me skills and has brought me many lifelong friends – cavers are some of the most eccentric adventurous people and I have so many stories as a result. I’m passionate about growing this community as I’d like to give more people the opportunity to experience what I’ve experienced.

I started out volunteering as Treasurer for SUSS, I moved the club over to online banking and built up a healthy surplus over 3 years. I continued as Chair of the club and with a bit of innovation led the club to a bumper year of recruitment despite starting the year with minimal leaders and drivers. I took this experience in leading, training and organising to Northern CHECC, and then joined BCA as Youth and Development Officer. I stayed in this post for 5 years, first learning how the BCA works and realising that we needed more than just one person representing ‘Youth Caving’ and set it up as a group bringing in many people. This led to working closely with scout caving, CHECC and a body of experienced volunteers shielded from the chaos and time wasting of council.

We learned from each other and achieved a lot; we represented university groups in discussions with unions, started 4 new student caving clubs, set up the emergency kit loan system, set up a bureaucratic service to write constitutions and other paperwork, set up the child safeguarding officer, made DBS checks for voluntary work for BCA members free, made BCA membership free for under 18s, started an at cost procurement scheme for BCA, took on a discrimination case against under 18s, procured legal advice and safeguarded many access agreements protecting under 18 access in the process.

I have spent the last year in Publications and Information where; I authored the demographics report, developed the proofreading service, developed a data gathering and interpretation service with input from professional statisticians, regularly sought feedback on BCA services, created a clear publication pathway and standard formatting, handled requests from the media and built a modern social media interface.
In addition to this I stepped in to provide support to the Secretary and Chair commiting roughly 2 hours a week to giving advice, doing the constitutional/operations legwork to work out what they should be doing and helped draft agendas and proposals in an effective way. I implemented many of the simplifying things that Phil Rowsell tried to drive – like the online submission of reports, proposals and nominations. I also wrote terms of reference that constituted the new IT working group and successfully kept it apolitical. I drafted the covid recovery plan which has yet to be fully implemented.

I think I would make a good chair as I know how the BCA works, how the grassroots volunteering works and I would prioritise things that will bring new people into the sport and keep the buildings, charities and clubs full of people.

To put it more exactly I would:

– Adopt and push the Covid Recovery plan
– Increase transparency by ensuring documents are published ahead of deadlines, and record votes on clear proposals so that members know which way their representatives voted
– Actively recruit more volunteers for working groups and delegate more things from council- Shrink the size of council by giving time for what will be controversial proposals to be worked through by affected parties
– Order agendas through priority of issue importance and cut down the frequency and bulk of reports to allow a manageable workload for Council
– Automate secretarial tasks and integrate this with the rewrite of the Manual of Operations
– Be proactive in identifying roadblocks for BCA volunteers and adopting a ‘how to get it done approach’ rather than a ‘delay it till next time’ one. Change the meeting to meeting culture and just focus on groups operating continuously.
– Attend meetings of various member bodies and listen.
– Wear a BCA T-shirt (for some of the time) at caving huts at weekends so that people can chat to me if they want to, I also promise not to bring the BCA into disrepute

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Re: Council Elections – Deadline Monday 26th July (Midnight)
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2021, 04:09:40 pm »

I had assumed that the election statements were going out on the website and in the reports section and I only found out the day before the AGM was due to go out on night shifts. The person I do feel sorry for is Josh who had his statement done ages ago and filled it in on the application form prior to the nomination deadline. I'm making a page with all the candidates and proposals going for election.

Haha, appreciate the pity! I was wondering where my statement would end up. Likewise I wonder if Allan has one that hasn't had a chance to be posted anywhere. I don't want it to become that just because I'm the only one who has applied for a post that I automatically get it. There is the option to vote against me, and those who disagree with my actions/previous votes*/politics/or just me in general, I would urge to a) reach out to me and ask why I have done certain things, I'm always open to critique and b) if I can't explain adequately why I've not behaved in a certain way (or apologised for cocking up), then please do vote against me.

*one of the big reasons I pushed for council minutes to show named voting

– Wear a BCA T-shirt (for some of the time) at caving huts at weekends so that people can chat to me if they want to, I also promise not to bring the BCA into disrepute

I actually love this as an idea. For any reddit fiends out there I see it similar to an AMA, and I could see long term this being a good idea for any officers to have a t-shirt that they can wear with their role on so that any BCA member (or otherwise) can fire any relevant (or wider) questions to a member of council.

I'm big on openness and accountability (in case you've missed my posts previously), and this would be a great step towards it IMO.
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