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Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« on: January 08, 2020, 09:26:07 am »
Crewe Climbing and Potholing Club have been producing the Peak District Rigging Guide as a booklet for some years. It has gone through eleven editions as new routes were added and existing ones changed. The most recent edition came out in 2012. Sales of the paper version have declined in recent years.

For edition twelve we have decided to move the guide to our web site and make it free to use by all cavers. You can still download and print your own paper copies if you wish, but the topos can also be viewed, zoomed and panned on a screen. The layout and information ties in with that supplied by the DCA, making use of the https://peakdistrictcaving.info/ web site for location and up to date access news and the Caves of the Peak District guide for more general cave info.

The guide can be found at http://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.html, or from a menu link on any page of the clubs web site https://www.ccpc.org.uk.

As the guide is updated with new, or altered topos you can keep your paper guide up to date by printing new pages and adding, or substituting them.

We hope you find the new guide useful. If/when you find any errors, or omissions there is a feedback form to let us know. The guide has been the product of much work by a lot of people over the years and the new version will hopefully make it useful for years to come.

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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2020, 09:38:38 am »
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2020, 08:37:14 am »
The first update to the on-line rigging guide. It is now version 12.1. If you have a paper copy, then print a new Level 7 / Hope Shaft topo and a new front cover.

Working with Pwhole to add some entrances that are in the rigging guide to the DCA's database, we  discovered that the grid reference for Hope Shaft was out by over 100m. It has been like this in the rigging guide since at least 2005, though no one has ever noticed! Probably a typing mishtake at some point in the past. A better grid reference has been put on the DCA database, based on a survey of the area until someone can go up there with a GPS gadget for a full ten digit reference. The grid references on the rigging topo have been removed and the web site now links to the DCA for location information for this short, but fun through trip.

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2020, 01:07:44 pm »
Another update. The version is now 12.2. We have added a topo for George Cooper's Aven in Peak Cavern. This is reached from the top of the left hand route in Victoria Aven. The Victoria Aven topo has also been updated. If you decide to visit here, be very careful not to touch the loose slab of rock below the traverse line, near the top of the left hand route of Victoria Aven. The consequences of this slab letting go would be disastrous. Echo Chamber has extensive mud formations. Take care not to damage these.

All the topos now have QR Codes linking to the appropriate entries in Peakdistrictcaving.info site for location and access information. Pointing a smart phone camera with an appropriate app at a printed topo will take you there.

If you have a printed copy of the guide you'll need to print a new version as all the pages have changed.

Thanks to the CCPC and TSG members who've helped with the new topos.

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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2020, 07:13:52 pm »
the Hope topo is still way wrong. There is no chain and just the one fixed hanger rebelay (using double crabs), 33m and 15m ropes) two optional single spit rebelays on the main shaft.

the grid ref for Hope Shaft is SK 21699 75878

Hope-Level 7  trip report and pics here: https://massoncaving.com/past-trip-reports/

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2020, 09:29:12 pm »
Thanks, We are aware that the Hope Shaft is inaccurate and the Hanger with chain isn't there. Our last trip down was a year ago and we didn't think to take notes for the guide at the time. Will pm you regarding your more up to date information and hopefully (see what I did there) get it on to the topo.

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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2020, 04:04:25 pm »
Thanks to Masson Caving Group for supplying up to date information on the rigging down Hope Shaft at Stoney Middleton. The topo has been updated and the guide is now version 12.3.

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2020, 05:47:21 pm »
Another day, another update. The guide is now at version 12.4.
It was pointed out that Hungerhill Swallet is currently rigged on thunderbolts, put in during the original exploration of Deep Space and these have now been in place for many years. The topo has been altered to change the anchor symbol to the one we use for non-stainless steel artificial anchors. The cave is on the list for rebolting by DCA, but in the mean time, be aware of this. The warning in the topo on the state of the rigging has been altered and made stronger.

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2020, 11:03:02 am »
In the third Giant's Hole topo, http://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.html#giantsbasecampbosscarnival, the pull through descent from the Upper Streamway back in to Basecamp Chamber has been added. Needs a thin person to climb the rift to rig it, but a fun short trip. The Boss Aven rigging on the same page has been tidied up while moving it and the Carnival Aven rigging over to make room. Reprint this page and the front cover to bring any printed copy of the guide up to version 12.5.

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2020, 01:54:37 pm »
The updates for version 12.6 are:
Rowter Hole. We've added the new to the CCPC rigging guide stuff from Gin Shaft (no gin there rather disappointingly), to Crystal Orechasm. We haven't drawn the fixed ropes up Hourglass Aven as we didn't take enough notes. The DCA publish a topo covering this for now. The Rowter topo is now split in to part 1 and part 2.

We have added a topo for Day Shaft, which connects in to Youd's Level in Matlock. There is plenty of blank space on this sheet to add in Gentlewoman's Shaft if/when that has access again.

A correction to the Knotlow topo. This error was pointed out by in a pm by forum member Mr Goose. It has been there at least ten years on various versions of the guide! The rope for Pearl Chamber should be 20m, as shown in the tackle list, not 29m as shown on the topo. This is now fixed. Thanks Mr Goose!

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2020, 12:17:27 pm »
Back in the olden days, any profit from selling the paper versions of the Peak District Rigging Guide used to go to DCRO. Since moving it to the club web site that source of funds for cave rescue has ceased. I have had some twinges of conscience about that! I've been working with the DCRO fund raising officer and the rigging guide page now has a Paypal Donate button  in place and tested.

If you find the guide useful, please consider transferring some pennies over to Derbyshire Cave Rescue and support the fine work they do.

https://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.html#dcro-donate

Donations via the rigging guide will be identifiable by DCRO, so it will be interesting to see how much is raised.

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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2020, 06:50:13 pm »
The rope length for one of the pitches in Nickergrove Mine has been corrected. It said 4m, which is a conservative estimate of the pitch height. Actually, a 10m rope is more appropriate. Thanks to LarryFatcat for the info.

There are a couple of new rigging topos that have been in the works since March, when progress halted for some reason... Some further trips underground are planned to check them against reality before setting them loose.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2020, 09:46:28 am »
The written description for rigging Eyam Dale House Cave has now been replaced with a proper topo. Had my first caving trip in four months down there on Sunday so as to take notes. The guide is now at version 12.8. https://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.html#eyamdalehouse

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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2020, 04:15:43 pm »
The written description for rigging Eyam Dale House Cave has now been replaced with a proper topo. Had my first caving trip in four months down there on Sunday so as to take notes. The guide is now at version 12.8. https://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.html#eyamdalehouse

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that's pretty much what I sent you but I thought that first hole inside was a "blind pit"? Is there something at the bottom of it worth going there for and are there spits or P hangers there for that?

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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2020, 05:21:52 pm »
Just spits, as per the topo. (You might occasionally find a spit equipped with a hanger, but it makes sense to assume that hangers are needed, and take some whenever you're going to be using spits.)
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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2020, 06:28:40 pm »
Just spits, as per the topo. (You might occasionally find a spit equipped with a hanger, but it makes sense to assume that hangers are needed, and take some whenever you're going to be using spits.)

I didn't see any spits in there, but I didn't look at the blind pit, certainly no fixed hangers that I saw/
Is there something down the blind pit worth looking at???- (the guide seems to recommend not going down there)

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2020, 07:13:02 pm »
I've been down there, doesn't (currently) go much further than the bottom of the pitch.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2020, 07:16:32 pm »
Just a pair of spits over the drop. No hangers left in place, as was usual practice during the olden days. An aluminium hanger with a steel bolt through it in to a spit can get corroded through in very little time in the presence of water. I did rig it and descend. Quite a bit of rope rub against one wall, so you'd want to modify the rigging if going down there regularly. I didn't push in to every single cavity down there. There is a good bit of air flow at the bottom and it smells fresh, so could be worth someones while taking a further look. It breaks out in to a rift the known extent of which you can see on the survey in CotPD.
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2020, 08:04:28 pm »
Added the first of two topo sheets for Snake Mine https://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.html#snake in Hopton Wood. An excellent round trip is possible, but take care. The usual mine hazards are there. Make sure it is OK with the land owners before visiting. The second topo will go up once we've checked a few things on it, which will need another trip. Thanks to Dan Lay for the sketches and bolting the routes.
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2020, 07:30:35 pm »
Edition 13.0 is now on the web site. The changes are:
Updated and corrected the JH Mine topo, between the surface and the Workshop. Leviathan will have to wait till the next trip. The only correction here was to the spelling of Leviathan!
Added the suggestion to use a deviation on the pull through pitch in Nickergrove Mine to prevent rope rub, if it is to be rigged for ascent.
Renumbered the guide pages to account for the additional topos added since version 12.0 at the start of the year. To update a printed version, you should reprint the entire guide.
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2020, 10:28:47 am »
Clatterway Levels is now in the rigging guide, following an enquiry by Tim Dobson. After asking around the club, I was told that it was originally planned to go in during the early years of the century when the guide was started. At the time there was a shortage of simpler SRT trips with topos available. For some reason it never happened, so thanks Tim for the prod  :thumbsup:! The current edition is now 13.1.

Currently, there are two stainless steel thru-bolts on the first pitch, however to ensure you are not rigging off one anchor, you'll need to use a dodgy looking home made rusty angle iron hanger. For the second pitch/handline/climb, the main drop is off a nice thread belay, but to rig an approach traverse you'd need to use two rusty angle iron hangers. These need small maillons, as most krabs won't fit through the holes.

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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2020, 11:22:49 am »
Thanks for sorting this Jen!   ;D ;D

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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2020, 12:56:45 pm »
Nice, an online guide would be very handy. Saves scanning the old one in. May I suggest (I have not looked) but an optional donation button should be on there so people can chuck you guys a few quid for all the hard work?
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2020, 01:03:39 pm »
We are ahead of you! There is a button to donate to DCRO, rather than CCPC on the guide web page. https://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.htnl.
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2020, 07:25:07 pm »
All good stuff - but the "3D Models" from the registry either don't work any more or I'm doing something wrong?
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« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2020, 07:42:10 pm »
We are ahead of you! There is a button to donate to DCRO, rather than CCPC on the guide web page. https://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.htnl.
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« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2020, 07:52:13 pm »
All good stuff - but the "3D Models" from the registry either don't work any more or I'm doing something wrong?
For me the Bradwell and the Stoney model viewers on the DCA Peak Survex Project page are working, but the Castleton and the overall Peak ones are not. Downloading the data and trying to open it with Aven gives a "Bad 3d image file" error, so it looks like these files on the DCA site are corrupt. DCA maintain these, not CCPC, so nothing we can do, other than let them know there is a problem, which I've just done!
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« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2020, 10:36:32 pm »
All good stuff - but the "3D Models" from the registry either don't work any more or I'm doing something wrong?
For me the Bradwell and the Stoney model viewers on the DCA Peak Survex Project page are working, but the Castleton and the overall Peak ones are not. Downloading the data and trying to open it with Aven gives a "Bad 3d image file" error, so it looks like these files on the DCA site are corrupt. DCA maintain these, not CCPC, so nothing we can do, other than let them know there is a problem, which I've just done!
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I’ve let the DCA Webmaster know and he will take a look.

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« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2020, 11:02:14 pm »
This is fixed now ;)

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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2020, 09:47:19 am »
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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2020, 10:23:07 am »
It's working OK for me.

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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2020, 10:50:04 am »


Still not working for me I'm afraid. For reference, here's (one of) the URL I was trying:

https://peakdistrictcaving.info/CaveView/?file=Castleton_Master_NoSurface.3d&prefix=castleton_master_nosurface.giants_oxlow_maskhill_system

Try emptying your browser cache. It may be still using the previously downloaded dodgy version of the data.
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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2020, 01:54:10 pm »


Still not working for me I'm afraid. For reference, here's (one of) the URL I was trying:

https://peakdistrictcaving.info/CaveView/?file=Castleton_Master_NoSurface.3d&prefix=castleton_master_nosurface.giants_oxlow_maskhill_system

Try emptying your browser cache. It may be still using the previously downloaded dodgy version of the data.

Spot on - problem solved - and many thanks!
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« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2021, 10:06:08 pm »
Added a topo for The Dungeon in Bagshawe Cavern. Other pitches in Bagshawe will follow at some point, but this is the most often descended. The DCA access links for some of the caves were broken, so the links on the site and the QR codes on the topos have been corrected. All caves now use peakdistrictcaving.info links, rather than a mix of these and DCA Cave Registry links. Since many topos have new QR codes, the opportunity has been taken to renumber the pages to take account of the two new topos since the last renumbering. The Level 7 / Hope Shaft topo is now called Middleton Dale Mine - Level 7 / Hope Shaft to match the naming in CotPD. Various other minor corrections. A printed guide will need printing again to bring it up to date. The latest version is now 13.2.
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« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2021, 12:53:09 am »
Added a topo for The Dungeon in Bagshawe Cavern. Other pitches in Bagshawe will follow at some point, but this is the most often descended.

Absolutely love that you've added this. I'm often helping newbies rig, and this is a favourite of mine. This will help. Thank you.

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« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2021, 09:41:12 pm »
The Youds' Level / Day Shaft topo has had the name changed to the more historically accurate Deep Shaft. It drops in to Ringing Rake Sough, the original name for Youds. See this thread for the details. https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=27801.msg341267;topicseen#new. This will help keep the rigging guide consistent with the DCA on-line information. If/when Gentlewoman's Shaft is reopened and access renegotiated, this can be added to the topo.
The new revision is 13.3.

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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2021, 07:08:45 pm »
Some caving by push bike in the sunshine to check rigging and rope lengths so we can replace a couple of written descriptions with proper topos. Minimal kit, a 30m rope, SRT kit, helmet/lights and a boiler suit meant I could actually cycle up the hills! Braved the hurtling lorries  :o on the A623 through Stoney Middleton Dale without getting squished to sketch Lay-By Pot mined shaft, Eayam Dale Shaft and Flower Pot. These have resulted in new topos for Lay-by Pot and Carlswark Cavern. The recommended rope length for Eyam Dale Shaft has increased to allow a back up to a tree. As this shaft is used a lot by relative novices, it seemed a good idea. You can use a shorter rope if you miss this out. The new Rigging Guide revision is 13.4.
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2021, 07:14:11 pm »
Nice one Jen, thanks for doing that and well done for doing Stoney Dale on a bike!  :bow:

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« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2021, 12:22:44 pm »
The recommended rope length for Eyam Dale Shaft has increased to allow a back up to a tree. As this shaft is used a lot by relative novices, it seemed a good idea

I actually have a personal story of a mini epic / unexpected changeover for someone who wasn't expecting one from this problem, in this cave. I blamed myself (accurate!) but updating the rope length is be great. Thanks! :)

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« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2021, 02:12:24 pm »
The recommended rope length for Eyam Dale Shaft has increased to allow a back up to a tree. As this shaft is used a lot by relative novices, it seemed a good idea

I actually have a personal story of a mini epic / unexpected changeover for someone who wasn't expecting one from this problem, in this cave. I blamed myself (accurate!) but updating the rope length is be great. Thanks! :)

Yes, the old description mentioned backing up to a tree, then gave a rope length that would only work if you didn't!
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« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2021, 04:30:54 pm »
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« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2021, 06:24:46 pm »
Hi wellyjen - PM sent!  :)
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« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2021, 10:30:02 am »
In my mind there is something a little sad about a rigging guide for something so simple as Eyam Dale shaft. I understand the benefits of guides for complex pitches or multipitch caves but surely working out the best way to rig a pitch is part of caving.

If you can't rig something so simple without a guide then I really have to wonder if you should be rigging or leading a trip at all.

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« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2021, 11:01:11 am »
In response to Fishes' point, I would suggest that most people will use the guide to determine, before leaving home/club, the lengths of rope required for their chosen trip so that these can be selected and packed in good time. It is not a "Noddy's guide to rigging", but even an experienced caver may gain some useful information from reading the relevant chapter for their trip.
tdobson's story above about the unexpected changeover illustrates this perfectly.
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« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2021, 11:48:56 am »
In response to Fishes' point, I would suggest that most people will use the guide to determine, before leaving home/club, the lengths of rope required for their chosen trip so that these can be selected and packed in good time. It is not a "Noddy's guide to rigging", but even an experienced caver may gain some useful information from reading the relevant chapter for their trip.
tdobson's story above about the unexpected changeover illustrates this perfectly.

I have to agree with that. The rigging guides not only help with arriving at the cave with the appropriate lengths of rope, but also enough krabs / maillons for anchors, plus slings, etc. for deviations.
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« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2021, 12:22:29 pm »
I do get the guides for more complex or extensive rigging but it seems OTT for a single pitch with no deviations or rebelays.

Anyone should really be prepared for a changover. Even if you have plenty of rope then its not so uncommon to have to deal with something like hair or clothing getting caught in a descender or having to deal with a damaged rope. One of my friends even managed to get his beard caught in his descender.

I tend to prefer exploratory caving and mine exploration and spend most of my time in places with no survey unless we are making it and most people have never heard of. In reality though this often involves a lot of squirming around in mud while trying to juggle with boulders that don't want to stay where you want them.


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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2021, 07:16:54 pm »
I get your point. A topo for a single pitch drop isn't, or shouldn't be necessary. It is done mostly for stylistic consistency with the rest of the guide and its more complex pitches. Going back to check stuff is very useful. The old description for Lay-by Pot that was replaced for example, still said belay off a fallen tree. That tree has long gone. I recall it not being there the last time I visited, about six months before COVID kicked off. The guide is there for all cavers, novice, or otherwise and knowing what to expect means you can take the right kit and not be loaded down with loads of extra rope and clanky bits, just in case, or worse, not have enough stuff.
There are a couple of topos in the works that should satisfy wishes for more complex rigging, with multiple pitches, rebelays, deviations and all that fun stuff. When they might get published depends on several factors, some of which aren't in my control.
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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2021, 07:23:11 pm »
The guide has said that the part 2 topo for Snake Mine will follow soon for almost a year now. We finally got back down there last weekend and checked it against reality, so it has now been published after a few modifications. Thanks again to Dan Lay for doing the bolting and drawing the original sketches on which these topos are based. There is a link to a set of  PDMHS articles from 1968 that gives a very comprehensive write up, plus a survey, which is worth reading before a visit. The mine makes a good day out.

In much of this mine the roof and shaft walls are made from stacked deads, founded on stone stemples and arches. They were very neatly and well made, but the youngest will now have been there for a century. The SRT routes avoid them as much as possible, but the consequences of a collapse 'cause you were clumsy are pretty obvious. For a Peak District lead mine it appears to be in reasonably good condition though. Stone is more durable than wood.
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https://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.html#snake
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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2021, 10:23:33 pm »
Following the news that Odin Mine is accessible again, I have temporarily removed the topo from the rigging guide and put in a placeholder page. Our topo was very definitely "before" and it sounds like the rigging "after" is rather different. Until we can get some Crewe members down there to take a look, make some sketches and measure some ropes, you should use the DCA's information.
Thank you all the DCA people who have worked so hard over the last decade to get this site accessible by cavers again. Once again, we can visit the wondrous jewel of the Peak District underworld.  ;D
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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2021, 09:23:07 pm »
CCPC members were in Odin Mine on Saturday and Sunday. This was after the weather forecast made the planned Providence Pot to Dow Cave traverse look not so sensible. One of the results of this, aside from some cavers and their gear getting very muddy, are new Odin Mine topos for the rigging guide. Trying to fit all the new anchors on to one page as before ended up looking very cluttered, so it has been split across two pages. The new version number for the guide is 13.7.
https://www.ccpc.org.uk/rigging.html#odin

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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2021, 10:33:16 pm »
One thing that's not entirely obvious (until you get there) is that the deviation on the pitch into the Bell Chamber needs to be very short - no more than about 15cm, due to the hade of the shaft, so a tiny sling or maybe just two or three krabs instead is sufficient. Obviously a rebelay would resolve the problem if the rope was long enough and you could be bothered.

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Re: Peak District Rigging Guide. CCPC
« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2021, 06:17:35 pm »
A minor update. For some of the Peak/Speedwell system topos there were links to the DCA (ex Hitch 'n' Hike) microguides. A link on the web page and a QR code on the topo. DCA have been revamping the peakdistrictcaving.info web site and the links are broken. It doesn't seem possible to link to the pdf's directly any more. The links on the rigging guide page and the QR codes on the topos have been removed. The microguides are still available via the peakdistrictcaving.info link and the web page tells you which microguide is appropriate for the respective topo. The new guide version is 13.8.
The affected topos are for Far Sump Extensions, George Cooper's Aven, Victoria Aven and the White River Series.
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