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Offline honei

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Austria....
« on: December 09, 2021, 03:47:02 pm »
After many years of photography, some GB photos have accumulated...
I just want to share with you a little bit.

I will not give any information about locations. Only one thing:
All photos were taken in the historic silver mining in Tyrol.

Tyrolean miners emigrated in the 15/16th century also to England - e.g. Lake District.

Therefore, there are often many parallels to be found....

Best regards!
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HLP_5100.jpg by Lu Pics, auf Flickr
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Re: Austria....
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2021, 03:55:39 pm »

Tyrolean miners emigrated in the 15/16th century also to England - e.g. Lake District.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/england/cumbria/article_1.shtml

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2021, 04:01:06 pm »
https://www.uibk.ac.at/ipoint/news/2015/vorgestellt-im-bergbaudienst-ihrer-majestaet.html.de

Tyroleans are not Germans... :o :o :o ;D

(But also Germans were there ;-) )

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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2021, 04:44:05 pm »
There would be another significant advantage to the Crowns of employing a German workforce. The Germans would more than likely to be Protestant whereas the local population may have retained Catholic sympathies. Apart from the locals resenting the miners taking their girls, religion may have been another soorce of fiction.

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2021, 04:58:18 pm »
We call it "schrämmstollen"

In england it is called...... "coffin level" ??



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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2021, 05:19:08 pm »
https://www.uibk.ac.at/ipoint/news/2015/vorgestellt-im-bergbaudienst-ihrer-majestaet.html.de

Tyroleans are not Germans... :o :o :o ;D

(But also Germans were there ;-) )

I am no expert, but I don't think Germany existed in the 1560's as we know it today. This map is from the 1640's and I am not sure what it means!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_in_the_early_modern_period#/media/File:Holy_Roman_Empire_1648.svg

But I am sure they spoke a Germanic language...  ;D

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2021, 06:19:16 pm »
OMG its like saying the Welsh are English   :'(
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Re: Austria....
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2021, 06:31:36 pm »
OMG its like saying the Welsh are English   :'(


maybe?! ;D ;D ;D


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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2021, 07:37:26 pm »
OMG its like saying the Welsh are English   :'(

Well strictly speaking they are!, unlike the Scots. But let's not go down that exciting avenue!

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2021, 08:41:46 pm »
We call it "schrämmstollen"

In england it is called...... "coffin level" ??


Coffin level is indeed what we call them over here, and that's a wonderful photo!
Dirty old mines need love too....

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2021, 08:08:52 am »
OMG its like saying the Welsh are English   :'(

Well strictly speaking they are!, unlike the Scots. But let's not go down that exciting avenue!

Chris.


I was going to say Scots on my original post but refrained    :lol: :clap2:
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2021, 09:31:18 am »
OMG its like saying the Welsh are English   :'(

Well strictly speaking they are!, unlike the Scots. But let's not go down that exciting avenue!

Chris.

That hasn't been the case since the passage of the Welsh Language Act 1967.

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2021, 10:24:05 am »
We call it "schrämmstollen"

In england it is called...... "coffin level" ??



HLP_5085.jpg by Lu Pics, auf Flickr


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Amazing photo! It looks like something straight from coffin levels in Derbyshire and Cumbria here.
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Re: Austria....
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2021, 11:15:33 am »
they can also be very high!

you can still see the clay seal on the walls...
there were boards drawn in for the smoke outlet

old mine 2 by Lu Pics, auf Flickr

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2021, 11:37:51 am »
Sauguad! Eins der besten S/W Photographien die mir in letzter Zeit unter die Nase gekommen sind.
[Awesome! One of the best B/W photos I've seen in a while.]

The international connections in mining are quite interesting, recently(ish) went to Slovenia where a lot of workers were encouraged to immigrate from S Tirol; they brought know-how of mining and smelting to the area. Whilst a lot of their influences are now somewhat hidden, the canal systems they constructed to power e.g. crushing machinery and the like is very much visible.

What is now the United Kingdom has been an entity of sorts for a fairly long time owing to its geography, the same cannot be said for present day Germany, Italy and to a lesser degree Austria (or Austria-Hungary, the latter part of which got badly shafted in the world wars). Bit odd how we view everything from the angle of nation states, seeing as that's a pretty modern concept.
Even in the present day, Tyroleans (be they Italian or Austrian) have more in common with Bavarians than with their nation counterparts from Sicily or Vienna. Conversely I feel culturally closer to somebody from Innsbruck than Hamburg.
Sorry, got pretty rambly and OT.

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2021, 08:44:43 am »
big cavity made from hand.....from ground to the shaft about 35m (the shaft itself is about 25m long)

old mine 3 by Lu Pics, auf Flickr

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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2021, 11:59:20 am »
....viewed from the shaft

shaft by Lu Pics, auf Flickr

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2021, 01:35:31 pm »
There would be another significant advantage to the Crowns of employing a German workforce. The Germans would more than likely to be Protestant whereas the local population may have retained Catholic sympathies. Apart from the locals resenting the miners taking their girls, religion may have been another soorce of fiction.
Yes but there are disadvantages too. I'm thinking of rivalry, xenophobia and one side believing the other has some benefit they don't have leading to strikes, disputes and setting off a stick of bang outside the quarry manager's cottage - such as Wales and Northern Italian miners
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2021, 11:21:10 am »
some mining equipment.....about 350 years old...still there...


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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2021, 12:00:39 pm »
Another good photo, and it looks like British miners were not alone in their habit of leaving old shoes and clogs behind when they finished working a mine!
Dirty old mines need love too....

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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2021, 10:32:16 pm »
Here is a reference to a German miner Augsburg and connected with the Tyrol. This book is about mediaeval mining in Wales, but he is more famously associated with the Lake District.

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2021, 12:00:11 pm »
thanks for your Infos! Wow!!
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2021, 12:07:25 pm »
Predecessor of today's railroad ...

Wooden tracks for the "spurnagelhunt" ...
here a double track station in an old quarry ....

(unfortunately no longer accessible)

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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2021, 12:13:47 pm »
Another good photo, and it looks like British miners were not alone in their habit of leaving old shoes and clogs behind when they finished working a mine!


no  ;D .... here's another copy ... wooden sole / leather

(unfortunately no longer accessible)

DSC_0100.jpg by Lu Pics, auf Flickr

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2021, 01:26:36 pm »
steps in an very old coffin level....

this is not a stairway....there were a few miners at work at the same time....

20211208-HLP_6985-2.jpg by Lu Pics, auf Flickr

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Re: Austria....
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2021, 05:50:59 pm »
I like this latest picture of 'steps' – but do you think that it would be better if you cropped the out-of-focus light on the left-hand side (and maybe a bit off the right to balance it)?

 

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