It is possible for under 16's to join a caving club but ONLY if their parent or guardian accompanies them on every caving trip
... British Club Caving is an anachronistic basket case of C20th drunken, debauched, misogynistic smutty behaviour which is celebrated for "being traditional" yet I'd NEVER recommend any involvement in it to anyone under 18 or to anyone over 18, either.
The best way for them to get further progression in caving techniques is undoubtedly to engage professional services of an instructor on a bespoke basis.
... British Club Caving is an anachronistic basket case of C20th drunken, debauched, misogynistic smutty behaviour which is celebrated for "being traditional"
CHECC event photos do kinda support such a view
If you are introducing people to caving as a job and you fail even to mention club caving, are you really doing your job properly? Club caving is a major part of caving and will remain so. If you pretend it doesn't exist you're failing your clients.I don't know what clubs you're a member of but none of the ones I'm associated with is anything like the picture you paint above. I think you should reconsider.
Well, I started caving ages ago – back in the 1960s – with the BPC, and the picture that Cap’n Chris paints is totally at odds with my experience of caving back then, let alone now. For what it’s worth, and based on my experience, the captain is talking complete f******g bollocks.
You prob need DBS’s for starters.
Unfortunately there is still with many older cavers the mentality that caving is not for minors
Quote from: Fjell on September 08, 2021, 12:03:37 pmYou prob need DBS’s for starters. Which you can get for free via the BCA if it's for voluntary work
Unfortunately there is still with many older cavers the mentality that caving is not for minors …
The legal risk/reality in the UK is such that non-instructors taking non-relatives under 16’s without their parents is not something I would do personally.
If you are introducing people to caving as a job and you fail even to mention club caving, are you really doing your job properly? Club caving is a major part of caving and will remain so. If you pretend it doesn't exist you're failing your clients.
The thread was jogged by attending the CSCC virtual meeting on Monday evening and hearing from the training officer that an intended training event failed to occur due to people signing up for it not turning up after a night on the piss, which seems substantively evidential in supporting my view, does it not.
It's the Cave Diving Group 75th Anniversary dinner this weekend. It'll be my first night with no childcare responsibilities for over 18 months and I expect to have a few drinks and catch up with friends I haven't seen for ages. I don't expect to go caving the next day. Is this the kind of thing you are against Chris? If so, perhaps you should direct you criticism at the wedding industry as I'd be sure a much higher percentage of weddings result in hangovers than nights at a caving hut!
When you say under 16's do you mean under 18's or are 16-18 year olds in another category? I remember this distinction was made at Charterhouse but I didn't like to ask them what it meant. I am a little confused by some of the other comments made above on the matter.Cheers
Yes, that is what I was trying to get straight myself. As I read it there is no distinction in law that makes anyone 16-18 and different from an under 18. Or is there?This is then just a distinction made by a club or ACB? Which I guess they are entitled to do or is that discriminatory?
There is a difference between 16/17 year olds and under 16 in many areas, particularly child protection and autonomy.
My kids went from being unable to do work experience at 15 because they were too young to needing a DBS at 16 because they were suddenly a threat.
Teachers in our family will not touch a child in school in almost any circumstance due to the ramifications and all too prevalent legal issues.
If you follow this logic to the bitter end then sixth formers should have DBS’s to be at school. It’s nonsense. My kids have already done multiple DBS’s without reaching 21.
I would focus on colleges and universtities for long term caver supply. Half of school leavers now go.
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