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Re: Gaping Gill..'winch without a winch' meet 2021
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2021, 05:33:40 pm »
I have a red card, you know what kind of things the BCA do with my £10? Squander it on on things like legal challenges to CROW to fight for access for all of us cavers and mine explorers. That's the kind of people you're dealing with!  Yeah newstuff you fight them!!

You're obviously new here...
I'm not fighting the BCA. Quite the opposite. May want to go have a delve into my post history.
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Offline Ian Ball

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Re: Gaping Gill..'winch without a winch' meet 2021
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2021, 08:04:54 pm »
Newstuff that made me laugh  :thumbsup:

All this talk of rigged entrances and the like is making me keen to go caving!




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Re: Gaping Gill..'winch without a winch' meet 2021
« Reply #52 on: August 18, 2021, 08:54:08 pm »
Guys

The modern CPC are a very friendly bunch I have no doubt and have moved on from the days of the song quoted above - as we all hopefully have.  So although CPC clearly stated in their OP a requirement to have insurance in order to cave with them, other members since then have suggested if you just go up there you'll find a more 'progressive' attitude.  That's just great.

Unfortunately, whether you like it or not there are subtle politics involved here which relate to freedoms of access for all.  CPC (and BPC for that matter) are fairly self centered when it comes to dealing with the estate as their big fund raiser, the winch meet, is reliant on a good business relationship with the estate.  It is not surprising that they are willing to agree to conditions which allow them to achieve this going forward. 

The rather unfortunate side effect of this is that it encourages the representatives of the estate seek assurances that all cavers are covered by insurance.  This might not be an issue for those in clubs who do have the BCA insurance but it is an issue if you happen to represent all cavers as CNCC do.  If you are in the club system it is not always easy to see that many others do not cave this way or wish to and restrictions like we had in the past are not good for the future of our sport.

Someone who is involved in 'politics' will have to spend a lot of time trying to sort this out in order that we don't take a step backwards in Dales caving.  So it is not the trivial issue that some suggest it is. 

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Re: Gaping Gill..'winch without a winch' meet 2021
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2021, 07:36:17 am »
But I thought there was no requirement to be in a club to have BCA insurance.  :shrug:

We're very fortunate to have the option of such insurance, so cheaply. I've never understood why it's such an issue for some cavers. But I'll be the first to admit I know far, far less about this than Badlad though. If this chat is to develop any further on this subject, could I suggest it goes into a separate topic?

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Re: Gaping Gill..'winch without a winch' meet 2021
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2021, 11:58:26 am »
Thursday,
After a misty start the sun has come out.
Our plan at the moment is to take Rat Hole out later on Friday (weekend weather seems a bit unstable).
Dihedral will not be accessible from 11am on Sunday (new hangers etc).
Other entrances will be in until Sunday...updates to follow.

With limited connectivity etc I'm restricting my updates to those relating to the caving. We are taking note of the other comments and will respond. We want to make cavers welcome up hée  and enjoy the caves.

Tea and gas stocks are good!

Paul McWhinney

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Re: Gaping Gill..'winch without a winch' meet 2021
« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2021, 02:17:22 pm »
Had a thoroughly enjoyable trip yesterday and found the surface crew very welcoming. Many thanks for all the hard work put in.

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Re: Gaping Gill..'winch without a winch' meet 2021
« Reply #56 on: August 21, 2021, 11:32:28 am »
We've had a good week up at Fell Beck. Starting to derig today, so no promises on any access on Sunday (Dihedral before /10am).
Tea is still available!  The rain has just arrived (11.30) and there was a fair bit last night.
Paul McWhinney

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Re: Gaping Gill..'winch without a winch' meet 2021
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2021, 07:36:53 am »
Morning !

Hoping to get up there today by 12.00hrs to do Flood / Bar
Do you envisage you’d still have anything rigged by then ?  :-\

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Re: Gaping Gill..'winch without a winch' meet 2021
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2021, 07:49:03 am »
It is a glorious morning up on Ingleborough  today - Sunday- but we are well on with derigging and I can't promise anything will be in after mid morning. (Dihedral before 10am). The weather has wrong footed us!
Sorry if anyone is dissapoined!
Paul McWhinney

 

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