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Offline Ian Ball

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2021, 12:37:10 pm »
14 is better.

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2021, 01:20:47 pm »
I think I am right in saying that the term "approximately 30 days" was used so that minor adjustments could be made to the voting period, particularly concerning how the end day fell.  Perhaps extending it from a Friday to a Sunday or vica versa.

The precedence was being set of enacting a proposed constitutional change before it had even been voted upon.  Even worse, it was a change which affected that very voting.  What a mess could ensue if the vote failed to support it or complaints were received afterwards.  I am still not convinced 21 is approximately 30 either but at least this change is some recognition of error.

I hope it goes well, good luck.

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2021, 05:06:28 pm »
Damned if you do, damned if you don't!   :thumbsup:


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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2021, 11:33:42 am »
I note that Nige Atkins stood from the floor as individual rep. I was unable to attend the AGM due to a prior engagement, so didn't get a chance to hear his election statement.

Is anyone who was present able to give a brief synopsis.

Standing for one of these positions, I ensured that I had a statement 'out there' with my intentions, and history as a rep. Would be good to know if Nigel did the same.
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Offline Jenny P

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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2021, 11:50:01 am »
Worth noting that there are still two Group Member reps. positions vacant so it would be good if volunteers for those positions made themselves known to the Secretary as it's always possible to co-opt them at the next Council Meeting.

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2021, 12:27:55 pm »
Worth noting that there are still two Group Member reps. positions vacant so it would be good if volunteers for those positions made themselves known to the Secretary as it's always possible to co-opt them at the next Council Meeting.

*capable volunteers

I'm quite in favour of leaving gaps on council if there are no suitable volunteers. Particularly for group/individual rep roles where there's not direct job requirements.

I think it's quite telling though that there was big uproar from certain segments of the caving community at the removal of the club votes, but nobody willing to step up to council to represent clubs. That or they believe that clubs are already well represented enough by their regional bodies?
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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2021, 01:41:40 pm »
facebook live stream is that still available?

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2021, 07:59:31 pm »
I note that Nige Atkins stood from the floor as individual rep. I was unable to attend the AGM due to a prior engagement, so didn't get a chance to hear his election statement.

Is anyone who was present able to give a brief synopsis.

Standing for one of these positions, I ensured that I had a statement 'out there' with my intentions, and history as a rep. Would be good to know if Nigel did the same.

The chair at the meeting asked the floor if anyone attending the AGM ( i.e those that had registered ) would like to put themselves forward for a variety of positions. One of these being individual rep. Nigel responded to that and offered. That was then 1/2nd by others at the AGM. Therefore, that can only be a great thing for BCA, volunteers offering their free time to support. Go to 57-105mins.

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2021, 10:14:55 pm »
facebook live stream is that still available?

Great shout Ian. Have managed to find it.

For anyone wanting to know the answer to my initial query - there's no kind of election statement in there, and not one on the voting form. I'm therefore not entirely sure what Nigel stands for, what he intends to do with the role or why he's running for it. A little confused this wasn't asked for at the point of standing from the floor, but not sure whether that's usual or not - having not attended an AGM in person (yet or hopefully ever they sound a right bore).

Thanks Moorfurlong for pointing towards the exact timings, super helpful :)
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Offline Ian Ball

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2021, 10:38:50 pm »
Isn't there a Individual members rep job description?





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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2021, 10:51:45 pm »
Isn't there a Individual members rep job description?

Interesting you should ask Ian.

https://manual.british-caving.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=officer_information:individual&s[]

I believe this is where it should be contained ^.

I can't find an equivalent page for the group reps.

some wording from the council page which you can interpret at will:

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Group Representatives: Up to four representatives of groups/clubs (two-year terms). Current post-holders are listed on the website contacts page.

Individual Member Representatives: Up to four representatives of individual members (two-year terms). Current post-holders are listed on the website contacts page.
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Offline Ian Ball

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2021, 11:00:38 pm »
It's hard work the BCA.


Offline Jenny P

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2021, 11:39:29 pm »
In answer to Josh's query posted earlier today re. "standing from the floor".

It is a standard feature of AGMs to have a facility of being able to "stand from the floor" if a Committee/Council position is left vacant at the end of a meeting and no-one has been formally nominated in writing beforehand to fill it.  It is always assumed that the person who volunteers understands what is involved and is prepared to carry out those duties.  Since the decision is taken during the time of the meeting only if a position remains vacant at what would otherwise be the end of the meeting, the person volunteering would not be expected to provide an election statement at the time of offering.  The fact that the offer to stand is accepted by the Chairman and that two people are prepared to propose and second the volunteer in good faith is sufficient.

There is the additional safeguard built into the Constitution, which was actually formally proposed earlier in the meeting as an amendment to 6.1:  "... subject to a vote of approval by the individual membership ..." which puts into the Constitution something which was already accepted as the standard procedure.

Being able to understand how a formal AGM works is an important issue and, though it might be considered that "... they sound a right bore ...", it does help to produce sensible results rather than just having a free-for-all with no rules laid down.

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Re: BCA AGM 2021
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2021, 11:54:16 pm »
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It is always assumed that the person who volunteers understands what is involved and is prepared to carry out those duties

and assumption is the mother of all...

Thanks for the clarification though Jenny, it would just seem prudent that anyone wanting to stand for a role would have some sort of statement saying their intentions. Otherwise the vote of approval by the membership might not mean much if you don't know the individual personally.

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