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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2016, 10:56:23 pm »
The FACT is, the ballet was in favour.
That's just Bolshoi.

Is that the best you can do?  I corrected it before you made that sarcastic comment (check the time stamp)
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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2016, 10:58:28 pm »
Shame - it was quite funny!

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2016, 10:58:41 pm »
Peter, I do think that you should apologise to Badlad. Suggesting his report is not true is not on. I suspect you're counting on the fact that he's one of the people who run the forum and therefore can't 'react'.

And that seems to be what you're constantly trying to do - provoke people into reacting.

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2016, 11:01:25 pm »
I apologise to Badlad for my joke.

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2016, 11:11:12 pm »
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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2016, 11:12:59 pm »
Nice Quote Mikem  ;)

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #56 on: June 06, 2016, 11:19:12 pm »
I actually use the username for the flavour text ....



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PS. Sorry, don't know why it is so big
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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2016, 11:19:56 pm »
Need to keep these things in perspective. You are never going to change each other's opinions, so better to concentrate on stuff you can affect...

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2016, 11:26:36 pm »
Need to keep these things in perspective. You are never going to change each other's opinions, so better to concentrate on stuff you can affect...

Mike

You are right ....

I can think of one exception;

During the height of the Drws Cefn/CRoW problems, I was a proponent of unfettered "open access". Having been embroiled in heated exchanges and seeing arguments from all sides, I changed my position to; "I am happy with a gate with a Derbyshire key" (universally).

How many other people (especially those as seemingly entrenched as I am) can say that they too have "modified" their thoughts/opinion?

 :)

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« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2016, 11:34:05 pm »
i cannot believe we are on page 3 already ans 95% of this thread is negative argumentative to what tim is trying hard to achieve. no wonder our sport is in decline. most of the youngsters coming into caving probably give up and take up basket weaving or something  (but probably climbing )

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« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2016, 11:38:32 pm »
OFFS, give it a rest, this country has been run on a 'none' vote for years, 'our Dave' is in on the apathy of none-voters, and its going to go on, West Country Activists ain't going to change owt, they've been trying long enough ---...
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« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2016, 11:41:51 pm »
i cannot believe we are on page 3 already ans 95% of this thread is negative argumentative to what tim is trying hard to achieve. no wonder our sport is in decline. most of the youngsters coming into caving probably give up and take up basket weaving or something  (but probably climbing )

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:, P.S.,I know how to whittle a spoon, but anyone got a design for a 'rudimentary toilet'??--.
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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2016, 11:42:45 pm »
i cannot believe we are on page 3 already ans 95% of this thread is negative argumentative to what tim is trying hard to achieve. no wonder our sport is in decline. most of the youngsters coming into caving probably give up and take up basket weaving or something  (but probably climbing )
No - the idea that new cavers come straight here to find out what it's all about is a fallacy. I don't think any of the Wealden's new members even know this place exists. They just want to go underground and find the club nearest to them to do it. The rest is down to you and me to inspire them.

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2016, 11:46:43 pm »
P,P,S., good on yer Tim for pressing on against unreasonable and ill founded opposition  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #64 on: June 06, 2016, 11:51:53 pm »
.... the idea that new cavers come straight here to find out what it's all about is a fallacy.....

You are very right.

Most (some?) new cavers start out by exploring themselves (I did) and then may look for a club. Some don't get as far as a club and stick with "mates" who are like minded.

There are MANY such people (and I know plenty and I am sure most people on this forum know some).

I have "found" caves (before I was a member of a club) and not known "who" or "how" to contact the appropriate owner (all before the internet before any jumps on me). I have also found caves "gated and locked" (same problem).

I am not in the Dales but it must have happened there a gazillion times and those intrepid explorers would not have known the CNCC existed or that they needed a permit for an "open hole" (and would have no clue to even consider it).

Why make it more difficult for "new" caving enthusiasts by being clandestine?

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« Reply #65 on: June 07, 2016, 12:04:45 am »
You are talking bollocks.

So 77% of an electorate do not vote for something.

But 23% of an electorate do.

23% is claimed to be the majority of the electorate.

Is that what you are saying?

If so then it seems that I must obviously be talking bollocks. Clearly.

That's the way the country is governed Chris., alas--..
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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2016, 12:09:30 am »
'Clandestine' is a nice word and brings to mind certain caving areas of the country---
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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2016, 12:40:48 am »
Please try to keep the posts civil.

The report was the report that was submitted to the AGM and the report was accepted by the AGM.  Some people do want to read it apparently.

Only 14% of the membership voted against the campaign, where as 23% voted for - normally considered the majority.  No one knows which way the rest were leaning, all we know is that they didn't vote and therefore don't get counted.  That is democracy at work, don't vote, don't get counted.  Same for electing Parliament, Scottish referendums, even the European referendum.  If more than 50% vote to leave Europe then we'll be leaving Europe and no amount of bleating about how it wasn't 50% of all the people is going to change that, is it?

In any case BCA has done a pretty good job so far, haven't they?

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #68 on: June 07, 2016, 12:47:00 am »
In any case BCA has done a pretty good job so far, haven't they?


Yes  :)

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #69 on: June 07, 2016, 05:03:11 am »

Only 14% of the membership voted against the campaign

 :clap2: ha ha. Thank you for this Tim. Thats how our "discussion" on the topic, here at home,  ended the other day.

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« Reply #70 on: June 07, 2016, 05:49:15 am »
In truth, I suspect that Chris was jibbing at sloppy wording rather than trying to twist anything....

Mind, a 37% turnout? That's Local Election territory....
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« Reply #71 on: June 07, 2016, 06:38:04 am »
Mind, a 37% turnout? That's Local Election territory....
Or European Parliament (35.6% turnout in UK last time):
http://www.ukpolitical.info/european-parliament-election-turnout.htm

Even London Mayor has only had 34 to 45% bothering!

By elections were anywhere from 18-19% in Leeds & Manchester Central to c.55%, with only Winchester achieving an impressive 69%:
http://www.ukpolitical.info/by-election-turnout.htm

For comparison, general election nearer 70%:
http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm

I particularly like the symmetry in this one - people aren't switching to vote for other parties:
http://www.ukpolitical.info/ConvLab.htm

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2016, 07:44:56 am »
In any case BCA has done a pretty good job so far, haven't they?


Yes  :)

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Agreed - keep up the good work please

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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #73 on: June 07, 2016, 08:25:01 am »
j
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Most (some?) new cavers start out by exploring themselves (I did)

Are you sure you want to discuss this on an open forum 😁😁


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Re: BCA AGM - CRoW Report
« Reply #74 on: June 07, 2016, 08:25:36 am »
In truth, I suspect that Chris was jibbing at sloppy wording rather than trying to twist anything....

Mind, a 37% turnout? That's Local Election territory....
A point that is lost on all those who don't hesitate to look for something that isn't there. Loads and loads of arguing  when all Chris was making was a semantic point. He even stated at one point that he had no issue with the mandate. You lot should apply to go on Question Time.