Author Topic: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas  (Read 935 times)

Offline Tim Pickering

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I'm doing a spot of research into lead speciation in relation to historic mining activity in the Dales. I'm currently trying to identify a suitable site but it's proving a little tricky. For example, I thought Faggergill might be a good option but there is little information online and I've not had any response from speculative emails. Another potential is Fossil Cave, which is a little easier to gather information about. If anyone has a good knowledge of the caves/mines in the Grassington Moor/Swaledale area, or can put me in touch with someone in the know then please feel free to message me. It would be greatly appreciated.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2018, 08:22:38 pm »
Being a chemist and a North East caver I think your being too specific, dressing floors are generally below entrance adits so that restricts things somewhat. You also need caves or mines with formations below dressing floors....of which I can think of none personally. If you are interested in secondary mineralisation deposit formation or contamination of calcite formations with lead compounds then you might have to think out of the box. Like the lower levels of large stopes in mines such as Smallcleugh / Capelcleugh or caves with lead mines above them like Mongo Gill.
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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2018, 08:28:30 pm »
There is (possibly) one. It caused a massive ruckus on here when pictures popped up. Lots of long straws from the roof. Proceed with caution, I'm sure someone will kick off about it at some point.

https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=17620.0

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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2018, 08:47:36 pm »
The tunnel referred to above is a quarry rather than a lead mine feature, and is in the Peak District, not the Dales.

There are several mines in the Peak where there are underground dressing floors, and I can also think of an example of a very well-decorated drainage level that runs under mine tips.
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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2018, 09:21:59 pm »
Just a thought, Crackpot cave in Swaledale has formations aplenty and is below the Summer Lodge Mine and its dam.
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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2018, 01:32:27 am »
Cheers for all the replies. Most appreciated.

Crackpot sounds like it has potential. It's drip-water I'm wanting to analyse hence the desire for speleothems. I'll have a look into that. Thanks.

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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2018, 06:59:38 am »
There is (possibly) one. It caused a massive ruckus on here when pictures popped up. Lots of long straws from the roof. Proceed with caution, I'm sure someone will kick off about it at some point.

https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=17620.0

If I recall correctly, that was below a lime kiln....
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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2018, 07:01:07 am »
There must be more, as mines often diverted run off from the dressing floor into sinkholes, Upper Flood & St Cuthbert's being classic examples of such formation rich systems on Mendip.

Peak Dale is indeed typical of spaces under lime kilns / processing areas (although more highly concentrated than most):
eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/129394/3/Mann_MRS_submitted%20.pdf

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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2018, 07:08:41 am »
Might be worth asking on AditNow…..
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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2018, 07:13:17 am »
There is (possibly) one. It caused a massive ruckus on here when pictures popped up. Lots of long straws from the roof. Proceed with caution, I'm sure someone will kick off about it at some point.

https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=17620.0

If I recall correctly, that was below a lime kiln....

It appears so. I mainly remembered the straws and rapid growth rates, and of course the utter indignation and associated crap thrown around, rather than what was actually being mined.
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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2018, 10:43:55 pm »
Hi Tim
I suggest you contact the Nenthead Mines Conservation Society, though Nenthead might be a bit far North for your study.
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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2018, 09:28:55 pm »
Hi Tim
I suggest you contact the Nenthead Mines Conservation Society, though Nenthead might be a bit far North for your study.
Cheers
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Tim - we have just the place for you!  See our website for contact info.  www.nentheadmines.com

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Re: Lead mines/caves with calcite formations under dressing areas
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2018, 08:20:52 pm »
Thanks everyone for all your useful advice. I had a look around Summer Lodge mine and went down Crackpot the other day and it's perfect in every way.


Tim - we have just the place for you!  See our website for contact info.  www.nentheadmines.com
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Thanks, Pete. I've had a look at the website and I'll definitely pop over some time as I'm keen to learn about every aspect of the lead mining industry.