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Carlswalk explorings. any tips
« on: November 08, 2019, 08:06:27 pm »
Im going into carlwalk on tuesday with a friend. we did it earlier this year and i loved it. a few questions.

we did porth crawl, then did and ascending rift, but then had to turn back. is that ascending rift what leads to picnic passage? worth an explore?

we did the dynamite series so turned off before stalactite passage. is that worth a look? i see that it sumps out eventually.

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Re: Carlswalk explorings. any tips
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 11:53:28 pm »
Sounds like you may have been in Clog Passage, from Porth Crawl it ascends slightly and steeply into Clog Passage (and once in Clog Passage you pass the Codeine Connection on your right, this loops back into Fall Chamber), Clog Passage continues to Final Aven where you will find Picnic Passage in the floor on the right. Low, wet, and very unappealing. So yeah, keep poking your head around where you were. From the handful I've times I've been down there I found it easier going from Falls Chamber, then dropping into the Codeine Connection with the helmet off tuck and roll move, and then back out down the steep rift towards Porth Crawl, as gravity is on your side for the awkward bits.

Back near the intersection of the Codeine Connection and Clog Passage there is a dig in the floor that leads to Fireset Mine - this would be where the miners originally had access to Clog passage from I believe. You will see some old stacked deads, and the passage is named because cavers (John Beck?) found little kiddies clog prints in there when originally explored, children were used to explore ahead by the miners because they were even smaller versions of the already stout Derbyshire t'owd man. Porth Crawl I think was named by the diggers at the time (possibly Norman from SUSS told me this?) because they had forcibly extradited some chemical persuasion from the mines/quarries down in Porthcawl, S.Wales for use in Derbyshire, some may have been used to open up this tight section.

A word of caution, the Peak District has had some freakish rain in the last 24h, for most places with good flow it will be clearing/have cleared by the time you arrive, however there are some static puddles and ducks in Picnic that may be higher than usual due to extra percolation water, turning an unpleasant but challenging bit of cave into an unpleasant and unsafe one (if you've never been there before).

However it's unlikely to be an issue, and everything before Picnic will drain nicely so there's no harm having a look, and the whole system is very good to explore. Plenty of info on here if you search for Picnic Passage, Clog Passage, Porth Crawl etc. posts from me, Jon Pemberton/the Pemberton Brothers, Rob Eavis, Mel Milner. Mel and the Pembertons being the most active digging in Picnic, anyone else has had more sense and stayed away.

There will be some hose and tools left behind in there if you want to do your bit for cave conservation...Enjoy!

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Re: Carlswalk explorings. any tips
« Reply #2 on: Today at 08:51:01 am »
We got excited about digging in picnic. However we couldn't even get to dynamite series. It was flooded at what I call the acme tunnel. You turn right after coming out of a tube with black rubber on and crawl through a sketchy looking tunnel held up by wooden stakes. The water was right to the top of the tunnel and flowing through fast. We went around the other way and that too dumped out before we could get to dynamite 😭

It wasn't all bad, we went and explored all of the side bits and noticed lots of digs going on.

We are keen to get involved if people need help digging. 😁😁😁

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Re: Carlswalk explorings. any tips
« Reply #3 on: Today at 11:31:25 am »
Still plenty of water in the Big Dig area then?

Did you have a look at the highest entrance that drops into the Dynamite series? It's called "Flowerpot", with the 6m vertical blue pipe shaft, is that what you mean by "the other way"? I'd expect that to be dry, and it's the much more direct route in to Picnic, how far in did you get there? Cool.

There are lots of places to dig however I don't imagine any are currently being pursued. If any take your fancy have at it! Obviously taking appropriate conservation measures into consideration if applicable. And it's worth finding out what you can about each dig i.e. where they may lead and why, and why the original/most recent diggers aren't still pushing them.

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Re: Carlswalk explorings. any tips
« Reply #4 on: Today at 02:27:20 pm »
I don’t know anything really about carlswark. Tommy’s done a great job of that, but I was given a survey by a red rose member who moved north of the border. The survey is the ‘83 survey by EPC and TSG.
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Re: Carlswalk explorings. any tips
« Reply #5 on: Today at 05:54:43 pm »
Haha I looked at that shoring in Big Dig years ago and brought it up as somat that needs replacing as it's getting a bit fucked - but last 6 years since I first went there so can't be too bad.
Since my initial enthusiasm watching Topimo dig in a wetsuit in there ("yeah mate no problem I'll do the hauling yeah crack on") I don't think the prospects of digging in Carslwark are that exciting - porth and the digs Tommy talks about will go to EDHC (making probably the most squalid through trip in Derbyshire?) and possibly rightwards towards Ivy Green (breaking into the upstream of that potentially not an exciting prospect)
If you find anything that pops past the sumps tho... believe there's a dig near gnome passage above shags sump that looks interetsing but abandoned?

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Re: Carlswalk explorings. any tips
« Reply #6 on: Today at 05:57:39 pm »
I don't think the prospects of digging in Carslwark are that exciting - porth and the digs Tommy talks about will go to EDHC (making probably the most squalid through trip in Derbyshire?)

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