Quote from: cavetroll on February 22, 2021, 06:53:31 pmCracking news everyone, the old white men have sorted it all out. "I see no problem" & "why bother collecting data?". Great job, we can all go home.Christmas wishlist perhaps?https://www.waterstones.com/book/how-to-be-an-antiracist/ibram-x-kendi/9781847925992I suppose you don't see the irony of making a racist (and agist/ sexist) comment to support anti-racism?
Cracking news everyone, the old white men have sorted it all out. "I see no problem" & "why bother collecting data?". Great job, we can all go home.Christmas wishlist perhaps?https://www.waterstones.com/book/how-to-be-an-antiracist/ibram-x-kendi/9781847925992
Based on what, 4 people on ukcaving not wanting to give it?
Quote from: PeteHall on February 22, 2021, 07:57:25 pmQuote from: cavetroll on February 22, 2021, 06:53:31 pmCracking news everyone, the old white men have sorted it all out. "I see no problem" & "why bother collecting data?". Great job, we can all go home.Christmas wishlist perhaps?https://www.waterstones.com/book/how-to-be-an-antiracist/ibram-x-kendi/9781847925992I suppose you don't see the irony of making a racist (and agist/ sexist) comment to support anti-racism?Are you being systemically oppressed by cavetroll's comment, Pete?I doubt it.
Quote from: JoshW on February 22, 2021, 08:22:58 pmBased on what, 4 people on ukcaving not wanting to give it?On my knowledge of statistics & the British Canoeing results from a membership more than 5 times that of BCA. The unknown errors will be much larger than the samples.
Yep, there is a lot more info in the document than just those demographics - but way more people have still said they don't want to answer those particular questions, which makes the results inconclusive (& the format makes it far harder to identify an individual than including it in membership request)
Quote from: FionaH on February 22, 2021, 08:28:23 pmQuote from: PeteHall on February 22, 2021, 07:57:25 pmQuote from: cavetroll on February 22, 2021, 06:53:31 pmCracking news everyone, the old white men have sorted it all out. "I see no problem" & "why bother collecting data?". Great job, we can all go home.Christmas wishlist perhaps?https://www.waterstones.com/book/how-to-be-an-antiracist/ibram-x-kendi/9781847925992I suppose you don't see the irony of making a racist (and agist/ sexist) comment to support anti-racism?Are you being systemically oppressed by cavetroll's comment, Pete?I doubt it.No, clearly I am not. Neither would it be systemically oppressive if you replaced the word "white" for the word "black" in the comment however I'm sure that nobody would argue that it was racist if you did.Making a derogatory comment based on someone's skin colour is racist. This hardly benefits a discussion about inclusivity.
On my knowledge of statistics
The survey asks those precise questions & the number of replies being anything other than white are far less than those not wishing to say - doesn't matter what criteria you want to apply (& they have a dataset of almost 3000 respondents, which is comparable to BCA membership). You can't accurately quantify the error as you don't have any further info.
I don't have any problem with you trying to collect it (apart from there being no way to do it at moment).
Because I don't believe it will tell you anything new, due to the dataset being too small
Quote from: mikem on February 22, 2021, 11:05:07 pmBecause I don't believe it will tell you anything new, due to the dataset being too smallYes but what were you hoping to achieve?
For arguments sake, next year 25% more people say they are other races, so 70 total, but 10% more have answered the question, so 3289 - does that mean you've had a 25% increase or (70/3289, a reduction to 2.1%) a decrease of 16%? There's no way of knowing.
My point is the more data you have over more years, the more you can start to make judgements on it. I think possibly with about 4/5 years of age splits, the BCA are approaching a point at which it can start to analyse a possible trend...
Reverse racism doesn't exist. Racism against white people does not exist. Racial prejudice does, yes. Racism does not. Racism operates on both the individual and the institutional (systemic) level.
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