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Ray Talbot

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Highwaymans Hitch
« on: May 22, 2008, 02:50:43 pm »
I had to make a pull-through system the other day and I considered using a Highwayman’s Hitch but never having practised it before I opted against it. I’ve never heard of a caver using it before so for those who don’t know it was designed to tie up a horse with one end but be easily releasable by pulling the other. Could such a knot intended to confine a powerful creature hold a persons entire body weight? Could it withstand shock loading?

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2008, 03:21:40 pm »
It 'might' stop a horse running away, but if it fails in that regard then you just have an escaped horse to deal with.

If it fails on a pitch in a cave then you could end up dead or seriously injured. So no, I would not use one to rig a pull through under any circumstances!

I did once attach myself to one in a gym, while also attached to a separate rope strung across the ceiling to another point. So when I released the highwaymans hitch (while I was still hanging on it) I could swing across the gym on the other rope. It proved almost impossible to release under load, and took the weight of 2 people hanging on the release end to undo the knot. I would still not trust my life to one however, as far better fail safe pull through belay techniques exist and work perfectly well in practice.

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2008, 04:13:30 pm »
Agree with the last post  :thumbsup:

Im a horse owner and rider and well know the Highwayman's Hitch from years of playing with it for amusement
I would definitely NOT tie my horse up with this. 

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2008, 04:25:20 pm »
Nay, nay and thrice nay.
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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2008, 06:26:38 pm »
Cheers guys. I suspected as much :)

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2008, 08:38:06 pm »
I prefer a little more security than a few bights tucked into each other  :o

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2008, 01:05:40 pm »
Definitely not a knot to use underground or climbing.  Nowadays I think it really only has a certain novelty value.

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2008, 03:00:45 pm »
Definitely not a knot to use underground or climbing.  Nowadays I think it really only has a certain novelty value.

Or for when you are robbing a bank and planning to escape on horseback of course.  ;D

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2008, 03:56:57 pm »
Definitely not a knot to use underground or climbing.  Nowadays I think it really only has a certain novelty value.

Or for when you are robbing a bank and planning to escape on horseback of course.  ;D
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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2008, 03:57:52 pm »
I've used it for years in sailing for temporarily mooring a boat.  I wouldn't dream of using it in caving.  Its purpose - easy to release, is the exact opposite of what I want in a caving knot.

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2008, 10:17:04 am »
I have always called is  the mother-in-law knot   :)

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2008, 03:20:17 pm »
It'd work in principle - but there's no way I'd ever consider it with other safer options available...

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2008, 08:16:23 pm »
My horse used to fairly regularly go into turbo reverse in an effort to get free when she was tied up  :spank: (a yard brush up the backside eventually cured it  ;) ).  I had so many problems trying to release this knot, that I used to include a piece of cane in a certain part of it, which could be pulled out and allow you to loosen up the knot so you get it undone, it would pull that tight.

I'd agree with everyone else, this is definitely not one for doing a pull-through.

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Re: Highwaymans Hitch
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2008, 06:35:37 pm »
My horse used to fairly regularly go into turbo reverse in an effort to get free when she was tied up  :spank: (a yard brush up the backside eventually cured it  ;) ).  I had so many problems trying to release this knot, that I used to include a piece of cane in a certain part of it, which could be pulled out and allow you to loosen up the knot so you get it undone, it would pull that tight.

I'd agree with everyone else, this is definitely not one for doing a pull-through.

Funny - most horses of the non- western trained type would just pull the trailing end of the rope with their teeth    ;D
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