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The Old Eldon Hostel
« on: May 24, 2020, 10:21:02 am »
Torchy was the Eldon Hostel Warden in the 70's, when it was off the main drag in Buxton.  (Best-situated hostel in the country - over the top of a pub, next to a cafe and next to a late-night drinking hole!)

Was this the fine house with the bunk bed and a possibility to breed rabbits?


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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2020, 07:19:56 am »
and accessed by an iron ladder.
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2020, 08:52:29 am »
and accessed by an iron ladder.

...followed by a step onto a ledge before entering...

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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2020, 09:15:52 am »
"and accessed by an iron ladder."

I remember staying there one night when someone got pissed (just fancy that) and threw up all down the ladder, much to the consternation of those of us waiting at the bottom to go up; 'Never mind', said someone on the platform, 'I'll wash it off' – and proceeded to do so by peeing down it.

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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2020, 07:10:58 pm »
A fine account of a night in the Eldon hut in 1967 is given by Mike Harris in "Born in a Perilous Pub" available online at https://www.abercavers.co.uk/thrutch/015/#h-04 - see the chapter headed "1967–69: The Sixties"


"The worst night I have ever spent either above or below ground or even at sea in a small boat, was on one club trip to Derbyshire. We spent one wintry night in the Eldon Club hut behind Woolworth's in Buxton. You know how old foam cushions go after a couple of weeks on a rubbish tip—after the odd dowsing with sump oil, sprout peelings and cat litter? Well such furnishings would have had many years of useful service still left when used as bedding on one of the two bunks that ran the length of the hut. But these were no ordinary bunks, for each provided multiple sleeping accommodation for members and non members, friends and passing individuals that arrived throughout the night. Some quite advanced thinking went into the cooking and heating facilities. Camping gas stoves were used for cooking and this was supplemented with a solid fuel stove which also provided waste heat for the central heating boiler. This was fitted with a header tank, fabricated from a 5 gallon oil can and mounted above the top bunk.

A feature was that the system would get hottest during the early hours of the morning and jet boiling water over the sleeping bodies below. I forget what we paid for this accommodation but I have a feeling that these facilities are no longer available.
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It was just about the coldest I have ever been at night. I slept on top of a trestle table and others were envious. This followed on from arriving at the pub ten minutes before it closed after a trip down P8 in flood that ended up with three lights working in a party of eleven, mainly novices.


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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2020, 10:30:42 pm »
'friends and passing individuals that arrived throughout the night'

Would they have been the rats you could hear scrabbling around?

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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2020, 08:39:02 am »
'friends and passing individuals that arrived throughout the night'

Would they have been the rats you could hear scrabbling around?

Possibly.

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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2020, 09:18:14 pm »
Yes the hostel was near a cafe where members could find School girls, and next to a late night 2/3 in the morning gambling den where we only went for the beer when you had the taste for one more. Torchy was one of the snuff group. The hostel was not near Woolworths  but behind the O2 shop on the other side of the road, yes the ladder was a railway signal ladder that could be pulled up when the police or others came. The bang could then be hidden in the pot bellied stove,  and the school girls handed back. you could do that in the 60's.
 

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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2020, 12:18:20 am »
Note to Moderators:
The Eldon Hostel could have volumes written about, so maybe think about splitting this thread off from the Obit section?
(My fault really!)
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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2020, 12:33:31 pm »
I'm not quite old enough to remember the Eldon Hostel, though I've heard quite a lot about it.

Has anyone got any photographs they can post?

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2020, 12:44:49 pm »
A group of us stayed there, just the one night...IIRC, you could look out from the bunks down onto the cooking area. In the morning there was a bloke boiling up a bucket of tripe, which smelled bloody awful, and he proceeded to scoff it for breakfast.
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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2020, 01:01:14 pm »
Previous thread on photos:
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=18661.0

& more about the hostel in Gordon Parkin's obit:
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=24246.0

Plus Clive Westlake interview comments:
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=21608.0

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2020, 05:11:16 pm »
I've stayed sthum since the news of Torchys passing, he was a great guy and I could recall many tales, memories and adventures etc that Torchys was part of.

I had the pleasure of living in the hostel for a good many years, in fact the others that resided there with myself were the last inhabitants. We were moved on - evicted if you like when the springs shopping centre was to be built on spring Gardens buxton.
Torchys was hostel warden and he would arrive at the hostel at around 16.30 on a Friday to collect the hut fees(50 p a night) he would every week find no-one there, everyone would have decamped to the pub, when he caught up with us promises to pay next week would be made.
I think I only ever payed my dues 3 times five years.
Torchys was as I said a great guy, an entrapanuer a dealer in things procured by himself.
Often he would turn up with meat in the cut of chops, stewing steak, bacon and black pudding after doing a deal with a buxton butcher, oatcakes at times also arrived as hostel warden he was lenient, as a benefactor he was a star.
Tales from within the hostel would fill a book, maybe I should write one.
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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2020, 09:13:32 pm »
Tales from within the hostel would fill a book, maybe I should write one.
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Go for it T, there are so many stories need recording - I had a few from Dave Williams, and I still recall his comment that "an Eldon party was reckoned a flop if the police didn't turn up at some point"
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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2020, 09:28:18 pm »
It really is disgusting how far the club has slipped uphill in recent years.... I wonder if that level of disorder will ever be restored!  :blink:
The end is where we start....

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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2020, 10:43:07 pm »
It really is disgusting how far the club has slipped uphill in recent years.... I wonder if that level of disorder will ever be restored!  :blink:

Kick those uni posh boys out first!

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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2020, 05:41:28 am »
Go for it T, there are so many stories need recording - I had a few from Dave Williams, and I still recall his comment that "an Eldon party was reckoned a flop if the police didn't turn up at some point"

I think the most successful Eldon Stomp was where we had 2 police cars, an ambulance and a dog van turn up! The good old days!
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2020, 07:19:02 am »
That must be the one at the Midland hotel.

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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2020, 01:27:54 am »
The Rocket
there were a couple of Eldon blokes in the BAOR (ask your Dad) and there seemed to be a competition about who could smuggle the most outrageous thing into the country upon their return.
Anyway, one day a large, military-looking rocket turned up in the hostel. This thing was about 5 feet high, fortunately with no nosecone or warhead, about 9 inches diameter with 4 large plywood fins. Legend has it that it was a French ground to air missile but who knows, it might have been a mock-up. Me and Jeff Morgan (and possibly Bob Toogood) took it to the Stags one snowy night and put it on a table with a candle on top for Mick Durdey's birthday but the ungrateful git didn't want it, so we took it back.

I suggested we bury it nose-down in the police station lawn but that never got anywhere. After a while, we got bored with it and chopped the plywood fins off for the fire, then chucked the body into an industrial bin behind the shops.

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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2020, 09:55:33 am »
It was placed in the big round bin at the rear of marks & spencers.

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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2020, 07:10:41 pm »
Mick Durdeys rowing boat stolen from the garden's after a good night and rowed down the wye to the back of the hostel moved in the early hours to some garden in Harpur Hill.
Coming to AGM dinner with starter of a bottle of rum followed by a another bottle a submariner who broke into the hostel when locked out by removing slates from the roof.

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« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2020, 11:50:42 am »
Hi Teapot, you're too late. A history of the EPC and the Eldon Hostel has already been written but it's not available. The story goes like this. A young lad turned up who was a junior reporter on, I think, the Louth Weekly rag with the mandate to write an article on an extreme group for his indentures. He chose well, the notorious EPC and subsequently attained the nickname of "Scoop". After months of research and interviewing the resident oddballs he presented the article to George Cooper for apraisal and comment. George read it carefully and realised that the whole club would be incarcerated for fifteen yearsif it ever reached publication. In front of Scoop he ripped it up and chucked it on the fire. Ah, halcyon days.

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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2020, 12:51:44 pm »
Written, destroyed in a fire, unpublished.

Ergo no original is in existence!

15 years in the 70s would now be a 6months bound over sentence.
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2020, 02:10:59 am »
The late night drinking hole next to the hostel was The Barbecue and pretended to be a nightclub. Apparently, you even had to pay to get in but regulars (ahem!) got in for free past the obese "security", a taxi driver called Tiny.
One night we were in there and Bob Toogood and Jeff Morgan turned up with Chris Bonington and Nick Estcourt, who they had acquired at the Moon in Stoney.  Bonington got so shit-faced that we had to dial the phone for him to tell his missus he wasn't going to be home that night.

The hostel was literally next door to the Barbecue, so one night we all sat against the back wall, while Mouse climbed out of the hostel window, traversed along the stone wall and knocked on the window. Being good mates, we actually let him in, with the management being none the wiser!
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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2020, 06:38:16 am »
Could someone remind me of the name of the nearby pub, on the street with shops, was it the Three Tuns or something like that? It had a television and would show Match of the Day at closing time on Saturdays.

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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2020, 06:05:04 pm »
No three tunns

However there were in buxton at that time

The forresters
The Devonshire arms
The bulls head
The Prince of Wales
The ashwood arms
The railway hotel
The white lion
The Milton's head
The Hardwick hotel
The barbecue gentleman's club
Pebbles night club
The Grove hotel
The old hall
The George Hotel
Chequers night club
Tne new inn
The kings head
The eagle
The sun inn
The Swan inn
The cheese
The London road
The bakers arms
The Manchester Arms now the blazing rag
The robin
Haddon Hall public bar
The Duke of york
The parks inn

There was also a conservative club
A Liberal club
A working men's club
British legion club

and leaving buxton towards bakewell a further
Devonshire arms

If I remember right the epc were banned from each one at some time or another.

The three tunns was possibly the hardwivk hotel





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Re: The Old Eldon Hostel
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2020, 08:40:50 pm »
If you can remember all that you couldn't have......... "forgotten what I was going to say"

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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2020, 09:20:22 pm »
Thanks T pot 2 for that gallant effort. My deficient memory does not recognise any of the names.

As I faintly recall it, the pub was embedded in a row of shops. I don't think it can have been on a corner site. It was certainly neither a nightclub nor a private club. It certainly sold Double Diamond beer brewed by Ind Coope but widely distributed nationally at that time (1967). If it had more than one bar, we were in the public bar, no carpets or anything fancy like that. As you went in the bar was along the left hand side and the TV at the far end. I don't think it can have been more than a hundred yards from the Eldon place.

I was hoping Mrs Trellis would remember, as he led me there that day and it was obviously a place he had patronised before.

I do remember the cafe and the school girls. I don't know where the two girls spent the night but they would have been welcome to join us although we would only have been interested in their warm Afghan fur coats. By 6.30am we cavers and the school girls were independently wandering the streets of Buxton looking for an open cafe to get warm in, ending up in the same one drinking tea very slowly. It was unbelievably cold. If only we had got more alcohol inside us, but arriving at the pub a few minutes before it closed was in keeping with the organisation of the rest of the weekend. Mrs Trellis had recruited a non caver to drive us from Aberystwyth to Buxton in a totally unroadworthy A35 van, with the promise of an interesting trip at the end. Apart from two who came by motobike the other nine were in the A35 van. The poor driver was a claustrophobe.  He managed P8 in flood without saying a word, but when we reached the surface he broke down with uncontrollable shaking and turned a kind of green colour. He never caved again.

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2021, 11:15:03 am »
Fairly sure the pub is now called Milton's Head. What it was called back then I can't recall.

Sorry to be late on this thread.
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2021, 10:45:10 am »
Fairly sure the pub is now called Milton's Head. What it was called back then I can't recall.

Sorry to be late on this thread.

Thanks Glyn,

The Miltons Head was on the list provided by T Pot2 of Buxton Pubs in 1967, but when I found a photo of it, it looked too nice and too low. However I think you are right, and I found a photo of it in the 1930s when it was already called the Miltin's Head. I might be able to find some info from a few years later which might help confirm this.

I will post an image of the original document giving rise to this problem, when I can find the damn thing again.

By the way, I heard recently from Mike Harris. he is still going underground and found fairy rings under his floorboards in the Antipodes. 

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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2021, 08:10:52 pm »
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When you entered the Milton on the left was the tap room, here the bar was on thr right with the tv up in the left corner of the ceiling. Continue forward on the right was the snug, no tv. Forward again and slightly left was the back bar, on entering the bar was in front of you with the tv in the far right in the corner of the room at ceiling height.

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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2021, 10:48:12 pm »
Quite amazing how little you remember of the Milton arms T-Pot, presumably you didn't like the place and spent little time there!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2021, 11:53:57 am »
Craigwen
When you entered the Milton on the left was the tap room, here the bar was on thr right with the tv up in the left corner of the ceiling. Continue forward on the right was the snug, no tv. Forward again and slightly left was the back bar, on entering the bar was in front of you with the tv in the far right in the corner of the room at ceiling height.

Yes, I think it was certainly the Milton's Head. I guess we were in the tap room, I know of only one bar - we were only in there for a few minutes in October 1967. I guess I have reversed left and right in my memory. The TV was indeed high up in the corner of the ceiling, "Match of the Day" was well advanced when we arrived.

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