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Re: North Face Supporting Cave Destruction
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2021, 04:18:34 pm »
Just as well it's never going to happen - they're not that much of an influencer (& we've survived several other stunts)

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Re: North Face Supporting Cave Destruction
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2021, 07:47:05 pm »
An apology has appeared on their FB page.

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A Statement on our Underground Project:
As climbers, we take great care in our approach to our natural playground. The very ethos of being a trad-climber is defined by its ‘leave no trace’ philosophy and this is a guiding principle that runs through everything we do, not just as climbers, but as people.
As professional athletes, we’re privileged to have the opportunity to explore the world around us, to go to places rarely touched by human hand and experience nature at its wildest. We recognise with this privilege comes a responsibility to ensure we not only leave no trace, but to actively help promote good environmental practices through our content.
Throughout many years of exploration, we have always made a concentrated effort to educate ourselves on, and adhere to, local ethics, practises and traditions. We do this by seeking expert advice from different fields before undertaking any expedition. Our recent Underground Project was no exception and we followed guidance from experienced caving experts. Whilst we felt safe in the knowledge that we had the support and guidance of local experts, we are now aware that our understanding of the diverse caving practises and conservation efforts on a global level were limited.
We’d like to, not only, apologise for causing concern in the caving community, but take steps to educate ourselves and other climbers on the importance of cave structures and ethics. We are now speaking with both local and global caving associations to organise educational sessions for ourselves and other climbers to be better informed and educated on the issue, and will be proactively looking at other ways we can help preserve and protect caves and cave structures in any future exploration.
As ever, we continue to learn and grow and appreciate the diverse communities we connect with. We will share more details on our actions to support the world of caving as soon as we can.

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Re: North Face Supporting Cave Destruction
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2021, 08:22:01 pm »
It looks a lot from FB like their mate Phil Bence, who is a caver (supposedly at least), told them this was fine. So basically it looks like they were horribly mislead by someone who should have known better. In other words, direct your vitriol not at the climbers who didn't know better, but the caver who told them this was fine... (and then put up a spirited defence on FB arguing this)

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Re: North Face Supporting Cave Destruction
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2021, 09:01:57 pm »
Thanks for posting that Pete K - it appears that the penny's dropped. Assuming that's sincere, it may actually lead to a better situation generally in the long term.

I did note that their original material describing the climb alluded to conservation issues in places, so they'd clearly thought about it at least.

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Re: North Face Supporting Cave Destruction
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2021, 09:04:43 pm »
Bit patronising suggesting the climbers didn't think their actions would upset cavers.

Unless climbers have got considerably more stupid over tha last couple of decades  :lol:
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Re: North Face Supporting Cave Destruction
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2021, 10:10:34 pm »
It looks a lot from FB like their mate Phil Bence, who is a caver (supposedly at least), told them this was fine. So basically it looks like they were horribly mislead by someone who should have known better. In other words, direct your vitriol not at the climbers who didn't know better, but the caver who told them this was fine... (and then put up a spirited defence on FB arguing this)

I also do seriously question how much of a 'caver' he is...  when he's saying, to quote "if you do caving just for leisure and no exploration you also have no excuse to go underground..."  :-\
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Re: North Face Supporting Cave Destruction
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2021, 11:06:12 am »
Original article on climbers' website appears to have been removed as well (there are still lots of links doing the rounds on social media):
http://onceuponaclimb.co.uk/stories/#!

Phillipe Bence is sponsored by Petzl:
https://climbfitme.wordpress.com/tag/phil-bence/

& also a photographer / film maker:
https://filmfreeway.com/FirstSteps

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Re: North Face Supporting Cave Destruction
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2021, 11:49:08 am »
Now that's done and dusted, we can get back to using explosives under Dowlass Moss...

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