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Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« on: November 17, 2021, 10:45:58 pm »

New Topic split from discussion of Media and the recent OFD rescue https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=28807.0

Just seen it has been reported that Geordie Greg, the editor of the DM has been sacked for being too... Honest.
What is the inside scoop on this David?
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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2021, 11:24:26 am »
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Just seen it has been reported that Geordie Greg, the editor of the DM has been sacked for being too... Honest.
What is the inside scoop on this David?

Yep saw that too, so Mail will be resuming normal service then I take it? As they made the Tory overlords unhappy? It's a pity, I had hoped Dave was right and the paper was turning a corner, seems not, as they are appointing the old editor's deputy (the Brexit one) who from what I heard was just as bad as he was.
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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2021, 11:59:28 am »
Oh dear, poor Dave.  Condolences man.

No doubt that from now on immigrants will be to blame, or Europe, or someone - for everything, but never the government of course - they're really good  ;)
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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2021, 12:42:20 pm »
I am sure you Guardianistas have noticed that Paul Dacre has also left...

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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2021, 12:44:17 pm »
The mail did overtake the sun as most popular UK paper during his tenure, but was that more to do with the drop in readership due to sun readers getting their news through Facebook / tiktok etc?

Dacre is apparently away to finish off the BBC:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2021/11/how-much-damage-could-paul-dacre-do-as-chair-of-ofcom
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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2021, 02:28:40 pm »
Since I refuse to fund The Mail by paywall or actually buying physical copy all my impressions of Mail 'journalism' is gained through the MS homepage and Facey.

I have yet to notice David's Golden Age of Objective Reporting. Like I alluded in another thread one swallow doesn't make a summer.

The Mail is and for decades has been The S*n for people with a more advanced vocabulary.
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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2021, 02:32:21 pm »
Up to now Mail online has been run by a totally different team.

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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2021, 02:34:08 pm »
Dacre is apparently away to finish off the BBC:

What with the government giving Dacre- Boris' Choice a second go after he kanckered his original interview, and the final decision being with Nadine Dorries, it's only a matter of time. There's a school of thought that Greig's front page attacks on the Tories was to make such a cronyist appointment less likely.
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2021, 02:35:43 pm »
Maybe so Mike. But I find it difficult to believe that team isn't going to follow The Mail's general editorial policy.
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2021, 02:36:32 pm »
Technical failure  :lol:
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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2021, 02:53:27 pm »
Also related (from BBC) "with CEO of DMG Media Kevin Beatty retiring and being replaced by Richard Caccappolo, who is currently an executive at MailOnline."
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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2021, 06:25:08 pm »
This from The Telegraph - ironic, given the previous tone of their newspaper:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/11/17/geordie-greig-steps-daily-mail-editor/

A former editor of the high society magazine Tatler, Mr Greig was tasked partly with courting advertisers who had been alienated by the previous tone of the newspaper.

His boasts of success in a Financial Times interview drew a public rebuke from Mr Dacre, who accused Mr Greig of being “economic with the actualité” and suggested he defer further interviews until the Mail registered more journalistic achievements under his editorship.


It's all very odd, under the current poltical meltdown circumstances - one would have thought them very happy to have him onboard and thus maintain some discreet but clear separation from Johnson's mob. But no - it seems they're preparing to plunge back into the dark side. We shall see.

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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2021, 08:07:54 pm »
You guys might be overthinking the politics. The mail online still has articles attacking Boris at the moment, over corruption and rail plans.

Tbh I see this more as a potential content change - less politics more showbiz is what I presume is going to happen as this is what the readers (who are older women, generally) wants and that is what has made the (American style) mail online so successful.

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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2021, 10:56:27 pm »
There is plenty of media to choose from and newspapers tend to reflect their readership. All of them (including Guardian) pander to their readers prejudices. It has always been a nonsense that they decide politics, that’s just paranoia. Overwhelmingly the most influential media outlet is the BBC, and then to a much lesser extent other broadcasters. Newspaper readership is a fraction of what it used to be, including online. Few want to pay for it, as no doubt any journalist will tell you. The Guardian survives on it’s trust fund, otherwise it would be bust long ago. the Telegraph has rich nutters for owners, Murdoch is old fashioned and more papers will vanish when he is dead.

The Mail largely caters to women over 25, politics rarely intrudes. Check out the hit rate on Megan articles. The fairly large number of women in our extended family are united like nothing else in their disdain for Megan. I nurture a suspicion she is getting a cut.

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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2021, 07:52:24 am »
There is plenty of media to choose from and newspapers tend to reflect their readership. All of them (including Guardian) pander to their readers prejudices. It has always been a nonsense that they decide politics, that’s just paranoia. Overwhelmingly the most influential media outlet is the BBC, and then to a much lesser extent other broadcasters. Newspaper readership is a fraction of what it used to be, including online. Few want to pay for it, as no doubt any journalist will tell you. The Guardian survives on it’s trust fund, otherwise it would be bust long ago. the Telegraph has rich nutters for owners, Murdoch is old fashioned and more papers will vanish when he is dead.

The Mail largely caters to women over 25, politics rarely intrudes. Check out the hit rate on Megan articles. The fairly large number of women in our extended family are united like nothing else in their disdain for Megan. I nurture a suspicion she is getting a cut.
…and given so much of the UK press isn’t profitable, what makes the millionaire tax exile press barons that own them keep shovelling money in to their failing newspapers I wonder?
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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2021, 09:40:47 am »
Why does anyone really need a 600 foot yacht or a football club? They are penis extenders for people with little willies. And willies are overwhelmingly the common factor here.

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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2021, 10:00:45 am »
Interesting piece in the Guardian today on the internal goings on at the Mail in general.  Seems as if the Mail on Sunday and the Daily Mail were running on different agendas. 

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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2021, 10:45:04 am »
…and given so much of the UK press isn’t profitable, what makes the millionaire tax exile press barons that own them keep shovelling money in to their failing newspapers I wonder?
The same reason they always have owned newspapers and other media outlets. To make sure the public discourse remains favorable enough to millionaire tax exiles and rubbish any politician who isn't in favour of millionaire tax exiles. Jeff Bezos (Amazon) purchased the Washington Post, as a more recent example.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2021, 03:19:14 pm »
Here's a good one, yes, from The Guardian, about the mythology that is Johnson and the people/papers who put him where he is - and who might well pull him down again shortly:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/19/if-boris-johnson-were-a-stock-canny-investors-would-be-looking-to-unload

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2021, 05:03:42 pm »
Why does anyone really need a 600 foot yacht or a football club? They are penis extenders for people with little willies. And willies are overwhelmingly the common factor here.

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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2021, 01:08:25 pm »
Clearly not filling the vacancy left by Andrew Marr's departure, since he specifies it's private rather than public organisation.

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2021, 01:11:05 pm »
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In a final attack on the civil service, Dacre said he was taking up “an exciting new job” in the private sector that “struggles to create the wealth to pay for all those senior civil servants working from home so they can spend more time exercising on their Peloton bikes and polishing their political correctness”.

Who does he think would have been paying his wages if he had become head of Offcom?

I like the way he identifies a class of people, then labels them en mass a being politically correct spongers. That's as lazy as classifying all people who voted for Brexit as being idiots.

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Re: Discussion of Daily Mail and other newspapers
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2021, 04:40:40 pm »
That's as lazy as classifying all people who voted for Brexit as being idiots.

 :lol: well that generalisation is so widespread as to be treated as factual!

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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2021, 05:23:46 pm »
That's as lazy as classifying all people who voted for Brexit as being idiots.

 :lol: well that generalisation is so widespread as to be treated as factual!

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Politician's trick that.

Repeat an untruth enough times.... :lol:
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« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2021, 07:23:41 pm »
That's as lazy as classifying all people who voted for Brexit as being idiots.

 :lol: well that generalisation is so widespread as to be treated as factual!

Chris.

Politician's trick that.

Repeat an untruth enough times.... :lol:

It’s not unintuitive to conclude that Brexit might be negative for some (people who want cheaper labour) and positive for others (people supplying labour who want it to more expensive). It might well be worse (or otherwise) overall, but for sure there will be millions who think they might get a pay rise (and more attention from London) and would give it a shot. It’s not that stupid. I don’t even work, so for me higher wages only hurt - but I can live with that if it is going in someone's pocket. I have little time for elite media commentators who like their serfs to be cheap and completely expendable. The Guardian keeps running articles about the appalling shortages of au-pairs, nannies and cleaners. But on the upside one journo was thrilled she could once again fly to NY to do her Xmas shopping. Oink.

Most current estimates are suggesting it will be in the noise either way, so in the end it will be down to qualitative issues. My view is that it is in no-ones interest for the UK to be meaningfully divorced from the EU, and that the UK will eventually get what it wanted (free trade with minimal other stuff). The French twigged this up front, and their elite is absolutely popping (hence the comments from their PM recently). But no-one ever lost their seat for goading the French (and indeed vice-versa).

A great deal is made of the EU being about keeping the peace, and it probably does that. But what they really mean is it’s a vehicle to stop the Germans periodically slaughtering their neighbours, which is why Thatcher opposed German unification and the Germans had to agree to the Euro to get it. The Germans are now owed an absolute ton of money as a result by other countries who have no intention of ever paying it back. The UK leaving has indeed made it much worse for Germany politically and they recently had to agree to pool liabilities for the first time. I voted Remain to keep the Germans under control, so here’s hoping the French are up to it on their own, but it’s looking ropey.

All good clean fun, and I imagine someone will write a book about it some day.

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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2021, 07:41:17 pm »
What most people forget / never knew is that it was only "Following the Napoleonic Wars and the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806, the German Confederation was formed in 1815. In 1871, Germany became a nation-state when most of the German states unified into the Prussian-dominated German Empire. After World War I and the German Revolution of 1918–1919, the Empire was replaced by the semi-presidential Weimar Republic." So before that it was England & France that were the bigger threats to world peace.

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« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2021, 09:06:54 pm »
A great deal is made of the EU being about keeping the peace, and it probably does that.

Interestingly (to me anyway!) is that a significant part of the reason I voted to leave is that I predict that ultimately the collapse of the EU will be catastrophic and cause the next war on the continent. I wanted our descendants to have some (small) choice about how to get involved (or remain neutral).

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« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2021, 09:18:31 pm »
OT I know... Might not have to wait that long if what the Russians are doing around the border of Ukraine are correct. All depends on what Biden does in respsonse, whether Putin has the stomach for a hot war, and whether we are America's poodle once more.

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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2021, 09:55:13 pm »
They'll more than likely give each each other Covid before they get around to invading anyone. I suspect he's all mouth and no trousers. And he probably wants the gas pipeline more than a conflict which will destroy his country economically. For the first time I can remember, most world leaders actually seem to be behind the curve at the moment, and are struggling to keep up with developments, they're so fast. Which is good, as most of them are just sad losers with a criminal background, and we could well do without them. Co-operation really is the only way out of all these problems, no matter how hard they don't want it.


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« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2021, 11:20:56 pm »
Hahahah - that's just - well, hilarious.

“Although he will not be involved in day-to-day editing, he will be taking an active role advising me and the editors,” Rothermere said.

That sounds difficult, I must say. I thought these people were already experts in publishing? And isn't 42 years of 'advice' more than sufficient, rather than them needing to pay him again and again for the same 'advice'? Honestly, Crossroads had better plots than this, and better acting.

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« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2021, 07:46:25 am »
"Keep your friends close & your enemies closer..." (those who can cause you harm)
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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2021, 10:16:32 am »
Hmmm...I know what you mean...


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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2021, 06:32:47 pm »
Dacre is not going to Ofcom:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10222441/Former-Daily-Mail-editor-Paul-Dacre-blasts-liberal-civil-servants-quits-Ofcom-chairman-race.html

I wonder where he is going - maybe GB News?

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Back to the Mail, apparently.

Or at least, the parent company.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/nov/22/paul-dacre-appointed-editor-in-chief-of-daily-mail-parent-company

That's a relief. The Mail had moved so far to the left it was practically the same as the Guardian. Hopefully normality can be restored.

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