I don't think the CROW situation would give access to mines anyway?
Does this affect the classic Cwm Croesor trip?
...and I suspect that there's not going to be much that comes to their attention.
Quote from: notdavidgilmour on November 25, 2021, 05:38:52 pmEither way, this isn't good news for cavers. Back to dressing like a rambler then I'm going to dress like a caver. If I get caught, I will put on an Australian accent and ask if they know the way to Adelaide.Chris.
Either way, this isn't good news for cavers. Back to dressing like a rambler then
If it's of use (probably not in this instance), I know a number of licenced bat ecologists, one of whom does quite a number of underground surveys. I'm happy to have an off-the-record chat if it might be helpful.The issue is that ecologists generally tend to prefer to arse-cover when it comes to bats, so they might not provide the pragmatic advice we are looking for.
Seems to be caused by things like this:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/870150/FOI2019_10351_Response_Redacted.pdfWhich don't seem to relate just to SSSI's:https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/bat_reports_at_county_hall_mold
Quote from: mikem on November 26, 2021, 08:37:28 pmSeems to be caused by things like this:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/870150/FOI2019_10351_Response_Redacted.pdfWhich don't seem to relate just to SSSI's:https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/bat_reports_at_county_hall_moldI think this exactly highlights the problems NRW is up against. I would strongly defend the FOI legislation but it can be abused by individuals as it costs nothing to submit requests and cause mischief. Maybe requests should cost a nominal amount, say £25, which would discourage multiple malicious requests. I could understand a bat hugger being concerned if building work is disturbing bats, but I know the historical society which looks after Rhydymwn have had real problems with people raising objections to access to any of the buildings - just in case there was a bat present. The society were trying to train up a member so that they could assess the situation themselves - but this proved very problematic and both DEFRA and NRW were less than helpful. I don't know what the answer is here, but I think that requests for information need to be logged with the identity of the person so that it is clear to others if this is a genuine concern or just making trouble.Interestingly bats in mines in England don't seem to cause the same level of problems.Dave
I find it hard to believe that they are endangered since they seem to crop up every time a development is mooted...Perhaps it's why HS2 is costing £1million per meter to build - fending of the ecologists.Chris.
May I suggest that CAL submit a short note to Welsh Mines Society Newsletter editor so as to ensure that this news is widely known and the implications appreciated? From a personal perspective, its will impact survey and recording work that I'd already suspended when Covid began.
We can certainly do this, but want to hold fire for a few days as there may be an issues to sort out
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