Following concerns raised by local parents, the entrance gate at Thrupe Lane Swallet will soon be fitted with a CSCC padlock. Access arrangements are otherwise unchanged.Remember, CSCC keys are held by all CSCC member clubs and are usually available to non-members on loan from one of the Mendip clubs with a hut. These are BEC, CSS, MCG, MNRC, SMCC, and WCC
Out of interest, what is the reason for not going with the "Derbyshire key" approach? Was this option put to those locals concerned?
Any member caver is entitled to bring a motion before an AGM and the fact that nobody has, suggests that most local cavers don't find the system too difficult.
Replacing the CSCC keys with combination locks across the board is probably not practical
it's a widely available key, I believe any club in the country can get one
If you did lock a cave on Mendip with a Derbyshire key, it would probably be the only cave on Mendip you needed a spanner for, so I would suggest a combination system so either a spanner OR a CSCC key could be used, otherwise you'll get cavers turning up with the 'universal key' and getting confused!
Quote from: andrewmc on June 09, 2021, 03:51:16 pmReplacing the CSCC keys with combination locks across the board is probably not practicalWhy would it not be practical? Cost is certainly not an issue as the BCA funds the locks anyway. They wouldn't all have to be changed at the same time and would be a good chance to review each one as to if it really needs a lock at all.
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I agree with all of what GarDouth says.The Mendips need to get out of their old mindsets, but I suspect it's just a way to keep us Northerners away. As if being the arse end of nowhere was not enough to put us off lol.
Box Mines had a Derbyshire key, we now have no access as too many people got in there who had no idea what they were doing (& quite a few of them left the gate open)
Quote from: mikem on June 09, 2021, 08:14:31 pmBox Mines had a Derbyshire key, we now have no access as too many people got in there who had no idea what they were doing (& quite a few of them left the gate open)It was a worthwhile attempt by the then CSCC Access officer but suggests that the Derbyshire Key philosophy isn't a working solution to sites so close to large urban populations within single digit driving times.
I would think if cavers are visiting from out of area, that they will be staying at 1 of mendip caving huts, like wise when mendip cavers venture out of are they would stay at a caving hut in that area.If staying at a cave hut it should be easily arranged that you can get access to a cscc key.
The upshot is that the locations I would visit on Mendip are restricted, compared to Yorkshire or Derbyshire for example.
Quote from: ChrisJC on June 10, 2021, 10:59:16 amThe upshot is that the locations I would visit on Mendip are restricted, compared to Yorkshire or Derbyshire for example.Be interested to see why you think this is an upshot?Personally I'd like to see access as open as possible and funding put towards conservation campaigns to ensure pretty stuff can stay that way.
If I ever come to Mendip, I leave my house in the East Midlands at about 5am, drive to Mendip, do a days caving, then drive home.
I don't think outsiders should have a major influence in the matter.
An approach by a committee representing hundreds of cavers would have stood no chance.
Over Covid we have gained access to three sites for digging by using the personal approach. An approach by a committee representing hundreds of cavers would have stood no chance.
Keys aren't an issue --- about 2 minutes with a cheap set of lockpicks of ebay will open them locks.
If you’re not a skilled lock pick like Ed, then £4 on eBay will buy you the correct key.
Yes an individual can hold a key. I've had the old one and the new one myself even though I belong to a club with several of them in the tackle store.
Instead I'd be interested to know how many legitimate cavers they keep out because it's more faff to organize a trip. That's the big issue.
.....Instead I'd be interested to know how many legitimate cavers they keep out because it's more faff to organize a trip. That's the big issue.
The point is that within the 'caving community bubble' you don't really get to know who you are putting off caving in your area. No one really does. Why do anything about it when the community is happy with the system? That very much depends on the attitude of those in charge and whether they want to encourage caving, remove barriers and open up to a much wider outdoor demographic.
For those who choose to cave outside an established club, or the BCA, access to a CSCC key may be more problematic and the CSCC is actively looking at how it can better represent and support these people
Be careful what you wish for.If you haven't got the nous to look up how to access a key, you probably haven't got the nous to do the cave without causing damage.'Conservation' and all that...
What is nous? Is this yet another barrier to access. Who do I have to nous to get into upper flood and can I do it in public?
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